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Posted: 09 Mar 2007, 13:42
by Controversial
Ezzard wrote:dempseyfire wrote:From a pure boxing standpoint the Cus D'mato peek a boo style would have never created a 'unbeatable' champ . . . it has too many flaws and is completely one dimensional. It relied on the assumption that Tyson would be able to back all of his opponents up, which in boxing just doesn't always happen.
Absolutely agreed!
No style or fighter is unbeatable
Posted: 09 Mar 2007, 14:19
by Eric the Viking
Ambling Alp wrote:No problem. I was trying to state my opinon in a humorous way which I guess wasn't so funny.
I for one thought it was pretty funny ... but then again I never had to deal with personal loss, girl troubles and such, and like you, am cruelly insensitive on such matters as a result.
Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 12:49
by cosand
Poor Mike tyson !
Such a victim, So misunderstood !
It's all Robin Givin's fault !
Please !
No one I can think of has had more oppertunities at greatness, and fvcked them up HIMSELF more the Mike Tyson.
How about when he was married to Monica Turner ?
She is a pediatric re4sident at Georgetown University Medical Center, and the sister of a former lieutenant governor of Maryland. Was she an evil bitch who fvcked him over and ruined his life too ?
This guy was litterally spoon fed by Cus D'Amato, after his early years of being a punk, a theif and a crimninal.
I guess that wasnt enough for him to get over his dreadful youth, with his mother working two jobs to support his worthless ass.
Tyson was a lowlife, and criminal and a loser long before before he met Robin Givens. Had he never met her, he would be exactly what he is now, a convicted felon and rapist who had punching power, but fought no one with a pulse for his first 18 fights, and held the title during one of the LEAST talent filled periods in heavyweight boxing history.
Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 12:55
by Syntax Error
Don't blame Givens, blame Tyson.
Mike had tremendous natural ability, but you still have to put in the effort in training
Mike became lazy & ill disciplined, plus he started to believe his own hype, that's what led to his downfall.
Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 14:13
by zuru
cosand wrote:Poor Mike tyson !
Such a victim, So misunderstood !
It's all Robin Givin's fault !
Please !
No one I can think of has had more oppertunities at greatness, and fvcked them up HIMSELF more the Mike Tyson.
How about when he was married to Monica Turner ?
She is a pediatric re4sident at Georgetown University Medical Center, and the sister of a former lieutenant governor of Maryland. Was she an evil bitch who fvcked him over and ruined his life too ?
This guy was litterally spoon fed by Cus D'Amato, after his early years of being a punk, a theif and a crimninal.
I guess that wasnt enough for him to get over his dreadful youth, with his mother working two jobs to support his worthless ass.
Tyson was a lowlife, and criminal and a loser long before before he met Robin Givens. Had he never met her, he would be exactly what he is now, a convicted felon and rapist who had punching power, but fought no one with a pulse for his first 18 fights, and held the title during one of the LEAST talent filled periods in heavyweight boxing history.
Hey,brainiac,we already went over this,and the sarcasm of Ambling Alp was WAY better.I guess you must be something special and would have steamrolled all those bums that Tyson was spoonfed.You probably would have singlehandedly cleaned out the pathetic heavys of that period,huh?It's a good thing Tyson never run up against you,otherwise you would have give him a REAL PANKIN !!! It was a what if scenario,like most things wrote in this section.Now don't get all worked up and beat the hell out of Klitschko over this
zuru
Re: Mike Tyson and Robin Givens
Posted: 10 Mar 2007, 21:55
by Chuck1052
Mike Tyson would find a way to screw up or get into debt
even if he never hooked up with Robin Givens.
- Chuck Johnston
Posted: 11 Mar 2007, 23:19
by generic screen name
The crystal ball says:
Tysons money w/o Robin Givens = $-29,923,023
Fractures on Robin Givens face w/o Mike Tyson= 0
Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 19:46
by cosand
zuru
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 247
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject:
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cosand wrote:
Poor Mike tyson !
Such a victim, So misunderstood !
It's all Robin Givin's fault !
Please !
No one I can think of has had more oppertunities at greatness, and fvcked them up HIMSELF more the Mike Tyson.
How about when he was married to Monica Turner ?
She is a pediatric re4sident at Georgetown University Medical Center, and the sister of a former lieutenant governor of Maryland. Was she an evil bitch who fvcked him over and ruined his life too ?
This guy was litterally spoon fed by Cus D'Amato, after his early years of being a punk, a theif and a crimninal.
I guess that wasnt enough for him to get over his dreadful youth, with his mother working two jobs to support his worthless ass.
Tyson was a lowlife, and criminal and a loser long before before he met Robin Givens. Had he never met her, he would be exactly what he is now, a convicted felon and rapist who had punching power, but fought no one with a pulse for his first 18 fights, and held the title during one of the LEAST talent filled periods in heavyweight boxing history.
Hey,brainiac,we already went over this,and the sarcasm of Ambling Alp was WAY better.I guess you must be something special and would have steamrolled all those bums that Tyson was spoonfed.You probably would have singlehandedly cleaned out the pathetic heavys of that period,huh?It's a good thing Tyson never run up against you,otherwise you would have give him a REAL PANKIN !!! It was a what if scenario,like most things wrote in this section.Now don't get all worked up and beat the hell out of Klitschko over this
zuru
Except, I wasnt being sarcastic.
Not in the least.
They say sarcasm is wasted on the stupid, so i guess peple who see sarcasm where none exists, are...well...more stupid ?
Could be!
Anyway.....
What I would or would not have done in the Tyson era was neither the question or the issue, and frankly, is a pretty silly straw man to toss out there.
Your question was..(did you forget?).What if Tyson had never met Givens
The answer ?
I direct you to my previous comments.
Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 22:43
by zuru
cosand wrote:zuru
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 247
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject:
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cosand wrote:
Poor Mike tyson !
Such a victim, So misunderstood !
It's all Robin Givin's fault !
Please !
No one I can think of has had more oppertunities at greatness, and fvcked them up HIMSELF more the Mike Tyson.
How about when he was married to Monica Turner ?
She is a pediatric re4sident at Georgetown University Medical Center, and the sister of a former lieutenant governor of Maryland. Was she an evil bitch who fvcked him over and ruined his life too ?
This guy was litterally spoon fed by Cus D'Amato, after his early years of being a punk, a theif and a crimninal.
I guess that wasnt enough for him to get over his dreadful youth, with his mother working two jobs to support his worthless ass.
Tyson was a lowlife, and criminal and a loser long before before he met Robin Givens. Had he never met her, he would be exactly what he is now, a convicted felon and rapist who had punching power, but fought no one with a pulse for his first 18 fights, and held the title during one of the LEAST talent filled periods in heavyweight boxing history.
Hey,brainiac,we already went over this,and the sarcasm of Ambling Alp was WAY better.I guess you must be something special and would have steamrolled all those bums that Tyson was spoonfed.You probably would have singlehandedly cleaned out the pathetic heavys of that period,huh?It's a good thing Tyson never run up against you,otherwise you would have give him a REAL PANKIN !!! It was a what if scenario,like most things wrote in this section.Now don't get all worked up and beat the hell out of Klitschko over this
zuru
Except, I wasnt being sarcastic.
Not in the least.
They say sarcasm is wasted on the stupid, so i guess peple who see sarcasm where none exists, are...well...more stupid ?
Could be!
Anyway.....
What I would or would not have done in the Tyson era was neither the question or the issue, and frankly, is a pretty silly straw man to toss out there.
Your question was..(did you forget?).What if Tyson had never met Givens
The answer ?
I direct you to my previous comments.
cosand,
WOW! you are good.Now I am second guessing myself.I think before this night is over,I'm going to K.O. myself
,hopefully I'll recoginize the towel that I throw in and stop my fight,before things get out of hand,thanks
zuru
Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 18:52
by cosand
zuru
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 248
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:43 am Post subject:
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cosand wrote:
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zuru
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 247
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject:
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cosand wrote:
Poor Mike tyson !
Such a victim, So misunderstood !
It's all Robin Givin's fault !
Please !
No one I can think of has had more oppertunities at greatness, and fvcked them up HIMSELF more the Mike Tyson.
How about when he was married to Monica Turner ?
She is a pediatric re4sident at Georgetown University Medical Center, and the sister of a former lieutenant governor of Maryland. Was she an evil bitch who fvcked him over and ruined his life too ?
This guy was litterally spoon fed by Cus D'Amato, after his early years of being a punk, a theif and a crimninal.
I guess that wasnt enough for him to get over his dreadful youth, with his mother working two jobs to support his worthless ass.
Tyson was a lowlife, and criminal and a loser long before before he met Robin Givens. Had he never met her, he would be exactly what he is now, a convicted felon and rapist who had punching power, but fought no one with a pulse for his first 18 fights, and held the title during one of the LEAST talent filled periods in heavyweight boxing history.
Hey,brainiac,we already went over this,and the sarcasm of Ambling Alp was WAY better.I guess you must be something special and would have steamrolled all those bums that Tyson was spoonfed.You probably would have singlehandedly cleaned out the pathetic heavys of that period,huh?It's a good thing Tyson never run up against you,otherwise you would have give him a REAL PANKIN !!! It was a what if scenario,like most things wrote in this section.Now don't get all worked up and beat the hell out of Klitschko over this
zuru
Except, I wasnt being sarcastic.
Not in the least.
They say sarcasm is wasted on the stupid, so i guess peple who see sarcasm where none exists, are...well...more stupid ?
Could be!
Anyway.....
What I would or would not have done in the Tyson era was neither the question or the issue, and frankly, is a pretty silly straw man to toss out there.
Your question was..(did you forget?).What if Tyson had never met Givens
The answer ?
I direct you to my previous comments.
cosand,
WOW! you are good.Now I am second guessing myself. I think before this night is over, I’m going to K.O. myself ,hopefully I'll recoginize the towel that I throw in and stop my fight,before things get out of hand,thanks
zuru
No need to KO yourself, just don’t give either Tyson OR Givens so much credit. Neither had the ability to either de-rail greatness, or create greatness where none existed. Water finds it's own level, and thus Tyson’s place in the gutter. Don’t get me wrong, it is sad, but even more sad, is that it was inevitable.
There is an old fable about the spider and the frog that carries the same moral,, but I'm not in the mood to type it out, and that would be too vile a demonstration of superior intellect.
And yes...thank you......I am GOOD !
Posted: 19 Mar 2007, 16:29
by granberry
SECOND QUESTION
What if Mike Tyson had never met Don King?
Posted: 20 Mar 2007, 02:56
by Diamond WEAPON
I think the best what if regarding Tyson is what if Cus D'Amato had lived just 2-3 years longer, I think Tyson's career would've taken a much different turn and he'd have been far less likely to screw up as the only real authority/father figure he ever had would've been there to show him what's what while he's a champion and a star. I think it would've given him much more mental strength when it comes to handling it all and Tyson would've been less susceptible to all of the "friends" he surrounded himself with.
Posted: 20 Mar 2007, 16:19
by JC
Diamond WEAPON wrote:I think the best what if regarding Tyson is what if Cus D'Amato had lived just 2-3 years longer, I think Tyson's career would've taken a much different turn and he'd have been far less likely to screw up as the only real authority/father figure he ever had would've been there to show him what's what while he's a champion and a star.
The problem with taking on the role of a father/mentor is sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and you also have to acknowledge you won't be there forever and therefore your role is more than just offering advice but also teaching your protégée to do the right thing on their own. Cus brought Tyson along as a fighter wonderfully and no doubt cared for him, but making Mike the Champ was always the main goal.
For example when Tyson was about 15 there was an incident where physically threatened a teacher and Atlas told D'Amato Tyson should be suspended from the gym for a week as punishment D'Amato refused because he didn't want to harm Tyson's training. As D'Amato was the authority figure in Tyson's life this basically gave him carte blanche to do as he pleased in the rest of his life as long as he did his thing in the gym/ring.
It's all speculation but maybe if D'Amato had taken a firmer hand with Tyson as a kid and taut him to be accountable for his actions he might have been better mentally equipped to cope when Cus passed away and might have made some better choices as an adult.
Posted: 24 Mar 2007, 22:20
by HomicideHenry
WHAT IF Mike Tyson Hadn't Have Met Robin Givens?
He wouldn't have got the clap :P
Gold Digger!!
Posted: 27 Mar 2007, 18:37
by HeavyHitters
Re: Gold Digger!!
Posted: 27 Mar 2007, 22:20
by Diamond WEAPON
I remember watching a SMACK DVD Rap battle where Jae Millz says to his opponent "It's like Tyson's ex nigga we robbin' you givin'"
Posted: 31 Mar 2007, 23:51
by granberry
Decagon wrote:granberry wrote:SECOND QUESTION
What if Mike Tyson had never met Don King?
He'd be remembered as a thug who held a paper belt for a little while before going to jail for 20 years. You think Desiree Washington was the first woman he raped after signing with King? King got him out of a shitload of trouble.
????????????????????????????????????????
He didn't
go to jail for 20 years.
King didn't get Tyson out of any trouble.
He got Tyson a tax lawyer who had never tried a criminal case, much less a rape case, and Tyson was convicted.
Before he left Bill Cayton for King, Tyson was heavyweight champion, undefeated, the most effective fighter in any weight class, and NOT IN JAIL.
Shortly after he dumped Cayton, his legal manager, for King
Tyson was no longer heavyweight champion and in jail.
Yes, Don King sure did a lot for Tyson.
Posted: 18 May 2007, 17:10
by Nile4000
He would have married Kim Fields.
Posted: 19 May 2007, 00:37
by I Feel Fine
A) Tyson at his best was not the best ever. Cut that crap.
B) To your question; I dunno, if he never met Robin he would have screwed a few more hoes and would have declined at about the same pace... people like to talk about "well maybe if D'amato hadn't died" (which is stupid, Tyson only had like 13 fights at that point, that had no immediate impact on his career) or "well maybe if he hadn't met King" or whatever it is... he would have self destructed somewhere down the road. And, in the end, nothing would have saved him from Holyfield and Lewis...
Posted: 19 May 2007, 11:18
by RazorKO
Decagon wrote:granberry wrote:Decagon wrote:He'd be remembered as a thug who held a paper belt for a little while before going to jail for 20 years. You think Desiree Washington was the first woman he raped after signing with King? King got him out of a shitload of trouble.
????????????????????????????????????????
He didn't
go to jail for 20 years.
King didn't get Tyson out of any trouble.
He got Tyson a tax lawyer who had never tried a criminal case, much less a rape case, and Tyson was convicted.
Before he left Bill Cayton for King, Tyson was heavyweight champion, undefeated, the most effective fighter in any weight class, and NOT IN JAIL.
Shortly after he dumped Cayton, his legal manager, for King
Tyson was no longer heavyweight champion and in jail.
Yes, Don King sure did a lot for Tyson.
You idiot. I said he
would have gotten a long sentence, especially if he hadn't been cleared for his first rape. How come you Tyson nuthuggers never mention that one?
What first rape is this Decagon? Are you talking about Teddy Atlas's niece?
Ive looked at the Washington rape case many times and Tyson was convicted unfairly, there are so many unanswered questions in this case and I hope Washington can sleep at night for putting an innocent man in prison.
Re: More on Mike Tyson
Posted: 19 May 2007, 13:02
by Chuck1052
I felt that the big turning point in Mike Tyson's professional
career was when Jim Jacobs died. Afterwards, Tyson dumped
both Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney. I am not saying that
Rooney was a great trainer, but it appears that he made
Tyson buckle down when training with Jacobs' blessing.
As a result, Tyson was well-prepared physically and
mentally for his fights before Jacobs died and Rooney
was fired.
- Chuck Johnston
