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Posted: 25 Mar 2007, 08:44
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
stujones wrote:I think Gatti is fading for sure, but I do think Silkov etc might be writing him off vs all world class fighters maybe a little soon.

Up untill 3 fights ago no-one was calling Gatti shot. He then loses to Floyd Mayweather, gets anhilated but then so would a lot of fighters. He then does okay (not great but okay) beating up reliable Thomas Dammgaard. He then loses a brave effort vs Baldomir, in a fight in which I think (even if I am alone) he showed at times he had the the beating of him.

However, even if you think Baldomir will beat him 10 times out of 10 - the fact is Gatti is in a bit of a quandry as far as his career is concerned. He says he cannot make 10 stone, but he is a very small 10 stone 7. He'd probably be best suited for a 10 stone 3/10 stone 4 weight class. He was significantly out sized vs Baldomir, and would be vs the likes of Margarito etc. However, that doesn't mean he still will not be competitive against smaller guys without the skills of Mayweather - and RICKY falls into that category.

For me, Hatton vs Gatti was an exciting pick em fight back in 2005 - not really that much to suggest anything else in 2007 - although admittedly the pendulum is swinging Hatton's way with each month.

I do think Gatti probably needs an win before the match could be seriously considered - but if say Gatti beats Ndou at Welter - then why not Hatton vs Gatti at 147 after Castillo.
The thing about Gatti is he just does the wrong things in the ring and at his age hes getting worse rather than better. Throwing the wrong shots, leaving his face there easy to tag, slow shots, trying to be a slick boxer against Mayweather.

Talk of Gatti been shot I think is exagerated because he had all these faults throughout his career and Manfredy and Robinson exposed these faults. His weight advantage from 130-140 let him get away with these faults against many but at 147 he would never get away with this stuff. And he has got some very good wins on his CV pre-Mayweather

I think Baldomir is a very underated fighter so a loss against him where Gatti picked up the early rounds isn't too bad. Would a prime Gatti have beaten that Baldomir anyway? Quite probably not - tight defense, iron jaw, fast compact coutners and been bigger just gives the balance to Baldomir every time.

NOW where Gatti has deteriated is McGirt has tried to make him jab and move and be slick. GATTI is NOT NOT NOT a boxer. Against Ward who cant box himself a good strategy, against Mayweather a horrible strategy. Gattis just not a confident fighter or a natural thinking fighter and the fact he asked Hatton the day of the fight 'how do you think I should approach the fight' shows his ring brain isn't very good.

All these beatings must be giving Gatti brain damage and with his defense I do cringe when I think of him been in with a top dog because he'll get hurt again. Thats why most are calling him shot, his neurons must be aging fast.

If Gatti is going to continue boxing and contemplate fighting the likes of R Hatton/Cotto/ he first needs to beat a top10 name such as Ndou, Corrales (crossroads fight), Kotelnik, Clottey,

Frankly speaking I think all those names beat him and stop him, he'll fight Hattons brother probably win and should try to make a fight with Corrales, which will at least be some what of a superfight war he has a punchers chance in.

Posted: 26 Mar 2007, 06:50
by Big Pussy
Gatti should quit the sport, end of.

Posted: 26 Mar 2007, 16:39
by Boxingnut
UPDATE: "There is absolutely no truth to what Dennis Hobson has said regarding Arturo and Matthew Hatton. It is a complete fabrication." --Donald Tremblay/Main Events

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Posted: 26 Mar 2007, 19:17
by WildWaylon
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Does anyone else smell a sinister way of marketing Ricky Hatton-Gatti after Anturo bashes Matthew up?
Bit like a soap isnt it - The Gatti v Ward fights were toe to toe wars, real classics - Sorry but I dont see Matt winning either, Gatti would smother him - Ricky on the other hand several classes above his brother would do the business with a war worn Gatti - Yes the storyline is good and the yanks would love it but what does Ricky prove? - Oh yes, he is better than Matt, hang on we already knew that - We also know Gatti is a poor opponent for Ricky but it would make $ sense - Yes what we really want is Hatton v Cotto, Mayweather or Witter but is it likely? NO - Big money fights with far less risk is whats going to happen - Nice finish to Rickys career and like Calzaghe wait until he is 50 and pickup a knighthood living on the glory of beating Tszu - God thats a bit hard on Ricky who I totally support but its a cynical, practical view.

Posted: 27 Mar 2007, 14:58
by caster
A shot Gatti would still ko Matt Hatton IMO

Posted: 27 Mar 2007, 15:35
by silkov
caster wrote:A shot Gatti would still ko Matt Hatton IMO
Indeed, ....in fact I think Hobsons face would hit the floor if Matt were to beat Gatti... a Matt Hatton vs Gatti fight is obviously a 'setup' for a future fight with Ricky... avenging brothers loss etc etc....

Posted: 27 Mar 2007, 15:47
by Shirow
You have to wonder if Ricky would go along with this. Leading his brother to the slaughter as a scraficial lamb to set up a high reward/low risk fight.

Surely this fight couldn't be even discussed with Ricky & Ray without the revenge angle.

I can't beleive they could be that cynical.