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granberry wrote:Jeffries fought with an injured left elbow.

I have some rounds of the camera hidden in the cigar box filming of the fight.

A Camera hidden in a cigar box?
Are you sure?
werent moving picture cameras really massive back in 1899?
The cameras sure looked massive when they were filming the Jeffries vrs Johnson fight and the Jesse Willard vrs Jack Johnson fight.

BTW in the book I read it lists it as going 20 rounds however
here at boxrec. it lists it as going 25 rounds.
Which is correct?
also Someone please post this fight on youtube.

A Camera hidden in a cigar box?
Are you sure?
werent moving picture cameras really massive back in 1899?

The smuggled camera footage was not from the actual live fight. The hidden camera was used to shoot the screen at a public showing of the fight footage, probably from some time in the 1920s.

UpWithEvil wrote:

A Camera hidden in a cigar box?
Are you sure?
werent moving picture cameras really massive back in 1899?

The smuggled camera footage was not from the actual live fight. The hidden camera was used to shoot the screen at a public showing of the fight footage, probably from some time in the 1920s.

That is false.

You have no source for this fabrication.

And obviously, youu have never seen this footage.

Brutu has a point. I've often wondered about that film. Obviously it was taken, but by a camera concealed in a cigar box? If they meant the typical two-inch high box of the period, I'm baffled at how a hand-cranked moving picture camera of the day could possibly have been concealed in it. Be interesting to hear from some student of the period relative to the existing models of movie cameras. As to the fight itself, it was much more brutal in the retelling.

Cap

granberry wrote:

UpWithEvil wrote:

A Camera hidden in a cigar box?
Are you sure?
werent moving picture cameras really massive back in 1899?

The smuggled camera footage was not from the actual live fight. The hidden camera was used to shoot the screen at a public showing of the fight footage, probably from some time in the 1920s.

That is false.

You have no source for this fabrication.

And obviously, youu have never seen this footage.

My dear lad, perhaps you should consider viewing the footage for yourself. The outline of the movie screen is clearly visible.




The entire "cigar box" myth is high comedy; perhaps you are unaware of what the Mutoscope cameras used to record this fight actually looked like.


"We're gonna need a bigger cigar box..."

An attempted bootlegging by Vitagraph on the night of the fight was discovered by security and the film confiscated. Edison ended up developing the print and it was exhibited widely up until the 1930s on movie screens nationwide.

UpWithEvil wrote:

granberry wrote:

UpWithEvil wrote: The smuggled camera footage was not from the actual live fight. The hidden camera was used to shoot the screen at a public showing of the fight footage, probably from some time in the 1920s.

That is false.

You have no source for this fabrication.

And obviously, youu have never seen this footage.

My dear lad, perhaps you should consider viewing the footage for yourself. The outline of the movie screen is clearly visible.




The entire "cigar box" myth is high comedy; perhaps you are unaware of what the Mutoscope cameras used to record this fight actually looked like.


"We're gonna need a bigger cigar box..."

An attempted bootlegging by Vitagraph on the night of the fight was discovered by security and the film confiscated. Edison ended up developing the print and it was exhibited widely up until the 1930s on movie screens nationwide.

Thanks for going to the trouble to post that.

Your pictures don't necessarily prove anything as far as I can tell, but I have no backround at all in that area.

What I am thankful for is that some footage of this fight remains and that I have it.

I can see always charging strongman Sharkey actually taking the fight to Jeffries,

and Jeffries' constant right hands to the body as Sharkey comes in.

This footage is among the most valuable of all fight footage.

What a pity there is none of the second Jeffries-Fitzsimmons fight.