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Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 02:27
by ringsider
If you don't think that Hagler is an all-time great then you have a hell of a lot of studying to do...many years, because you clearly don't know shit! Which that is pretty obvious with comments like Tunney was a fully grown heavyweight and comments like Hagler made a career of fighting LW, WW and Jr. Middleweights.
I never said Tunney was a full grown heavyweight. Barry settle down and relax before you type and misquote the
Master 
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Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 02:49
by barry
I know you didn't...that was Granberry who stated that Tunney was a full grown heavyweight when he faced Greb! I apologize if you assumed that I meant that for you, but I did mean it about you commenting that Hagler was no ATG!
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 03:22
by ringsider
I know exactly what I was reading.
Relax, count to 10 Barry, before you type your Hagler drivel or misquote....the master
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Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 09:52
by granberry
barry wrote:I know you didn't...that was Granberry who stated that Tunney was a full grown heavyweight when he faced Greb! I apologize if you assumed that I meant that for you, but I did mean it about you commenting that Hagler was no ATG!
Barry,
Greb fought Tunney five times.
Look in the record book.
The last Tunney-Greb fight was in 1925, a year before Tunney won the heavyweight title from Jack Dempsey.
Hagler was a "lucky champion,"
as fat, old, bloated lightweight Roberto Duran said after Hagler struggled to a 15-round decision over fat, old, bloated lightweight Roberto Duran.
Hagler in the ring with Tunney five times ?
Don't make me laugh.
Hagler struggled with fat old lightweight Roberto Duran.
LOL.
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:00
by granberry
dr_devious wrote:Hagler's chin was beyond question. He was never even knocked down in 60 odd fights - the count he took in the Roldan fight followed a slip.
Now tell us about the thumb Hagler put in Roldan's eye just after the "slip."
LOL.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:07
by granberry
barry wrote:>>>One of the funniest sentences I've ever read.<<<
So what was funny about it...eh?
Are you under the disillusioned presumption that Greb had a chin so made of granite that Hagler's would crumble at the mention of it? That's just ignorant...nothing funny about it...idiocy! You mention all the people that Greb fought, which we already knew who he has fought to begin with, but it does not make up for Greb being knocked silly by a lowly middleweight journeyman named Soldier Buck...so what's your remedy to that...that the Buck knockdown and near KO of Greb doesn't count...LOL!!!! Now that's the funniest thing that I have ever imagined!!!
Besides...your post makes no sense whatsoever...the comment wasn't about who they fought...it was about chins...LOL...try to keep up if you can!!!
And for the record...the most that Tunney ever weighed for a bout with Greb was 181...do you consider 181 to be a full-fledged heavyweight...because I don't...200+ pounds is a full-fledged heavyweight. Perhaps next time you might want to buy, or get a clue before making any silly, idiotic comments!!! Tunney...a full-fledged heavyweight when he fought Greb...now that is the funniest sentence that I have ever read...and that is saying a hell fo a lot with some of the doozys that are stated on forums!!!
Tunney's weight in his bouts versus Greb:
Bout one: Tunney 174 1/2
Bout Two: Tunney 175, or less since it was for the American Light Heavyweight title.
Bout Three: Tunney 175
Bout Four: Tunney 175
Bout Five: Tunney 181
Full-fledged heavyweight my ass!!!!!
Also for the record...as was stated...Hagler was never dropped...Greb touched down on more than one occasion...not exactly sure how many, but it was more than Hagler ever went down!!!! In the future, please try to refrain from making comments on topics that you so clearly demonstrated knowing nothing about!
Yes Barry.
Hagler never fought a fighter over 160.
Do you know the difference between 160 and 180, Barry?
Grade school students do.
Hagler struggled with fighters SMALLER than he was.
Greb fought Tunney FIVE times.
Greb fought Bill Brennan, Billy Miske, and HOW MANY OTHER heavyweights.
Look it up, Barry.
As they say, Hagler was the greatest middleweight in the welterweight class.
And maybe in the junior middleweight class too.
How long would Hagler have lasted with all the lightheavyweights and heavyweights Greb fought?
Tell us all about it.
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:10
by granberry
Terence wrote:granberry wrote:dr_devious wrote:Hagler's chin was beyond question. He was never even knocked down in 60 odd fights - the count he took in the Roldan fight followed a slip.
Now tell us about the thumb Hagler put in Roldan's eye just after the "slip."
LOL.
Then you can tell us about Duran lacing Moore. They are not playing charades in there. Thumbing is something that happens, often by accident.
Roldan ate plenty of shots also, as did Davey incidently.
Duran didn't "lace" Davey Moore.
Duran THUMBED Davey Moore.
In earlier times when boxing was legitimate,
Duran would have lost right then and there on a foul.
Lacing, thumbing--it's all the same to you, isn't it, Mr. "boxing expert."
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:26
by granberry
Terence wrote:granberry wrote:Terence wrote:
Then you can tell us about Duran lacing Moore. They are not playing charades in there. Thumbing is something that happens, often by accident.
Roldan ate plenty of shots also, as did Davey incidently.
Duran didn't "lace" Davey Moore.
Duran THUMBED Davey Moore.
In earlier times when boxing was legitimate,
Duran would have lost right then and there on a foul.
Lacing, thumbing--it's all the same to you, isn't it, Mr. "boxing expert."
Duran did. At one point when the ref tried to seperate them Duran ran that part of the glove over his face and eyeswhilst leaning forwards with his hands extended in a bowing gesture, perhaps he was saying "I'm not worthy". Even the leather can injure in that situation. I can watch the fight later, post the exact time.
I am not an expert, I am in my 20's with a lot to learn, not from you though.
I missed Roldan being canonised as a saint. When did that happen? Did he repent on his pull-down off Hagler? I see he did not dispute the ref counting the erroneous KD.
Duran thumbed Davey Moore.
For all to see. As soon as the "fight" started.
And from there, Duran still had to foul like mad for a number of rounds before he was awarded his "victory."
Davey Moore said that he was thumbed as soon as the fight ended .
Sugar Ray Leonard punched after the bell in every fight he had.
Larry Holmes "won" over Scott Frank and Scott LeDoux with the winning "blow" being a thumb to the eye.
Leroy Jones said on TV just after his fight with Holmes that Holmes thumbed him repreatedly.
You swallow all this crap from your heroes of the Don King era.
And with what you know about the subject, you think it is legitimate "boxing."
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:29
by granberry
Terence wrote:
I am not an expert, I am in my 20's with a lot to learn,
And you will "learn" it all from the Ali industry and from Don King's stooges in the "news" media.
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:31
by Seamus
Nobody on this forum dislikes Roberto Duran more than I do, but these claims that Marvin Hagler fought a fat bloated blown up Lightweight have no basis. Here's a link to a couple of photos of Duran against Hagler
http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/boxin ... graphs.htm Does that look fat to anyone ? No, he isn't cut like Hagler is , but than again not many guys were.
Fact is Hagler fought cautious and with very little intensity against Duran, and he still clearly deserved the decision, because the scoring was too close.
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 10:43
by granberry
Terence wrote:granberry wrote:Terence wrote:
Duran did. At one point when the ref tried to seperate them Duran ran that part of the glove over his face and eyeswhilst leaning forwards with his hands extended in a bowing gesture, perhaps he was saying "I'm not worthy". Even the leather can injure in that situation. I can watch the fight later, post the exact time.
I am not an expert, I am in my 20's with a lot to learn, not from you though.
I missed Roldan being canonised as a saint. When did that happen? Did he repent on his pull-down off Hagler? I see he did not dispute the ref counting the erroneous KD.
Duran thumbed Davey Moore.
For all to see. As soon as the "fight" started.
And from there, Duran still had to foul like mad for a number of rounds before he was awarded his "victory."
Davey Moore said that he was thumbed as soon as the fight ended .
Sugar Ray Leonard punched after the bell in every fight he had.
Larry Holmes "won" over Scott Frank and Scott LeDoux with the winning "blow" being a thumb to the eye.
Leroy Jones said on TV just after his fight with Holmes that Holmes thumbed him repreatedly.
You swallow all this crap from your heroes of the Don King era.
And with what you know about the subject, you think it is legitimate "boxing."
He was also laced, as I stated and you disputed. Care to dispute it still?
From what I hear Harry Grebb fought like a saint and wept every time he hit his foe.
Dempsey routinely fouled.
Or am I being brainwashed by Rickard?
How are the AOL chatrooms treating you? Badly I imagine.
As I said Terence,
You don't know the difference betwee being thumbed and being laced.
AND YOU NEVER WILL.
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 11:42
by granberry
Question for clueless Terence:
Would you rather have a thumb stuck in your eye
or a scratch on your cheek?
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 12:52
by KOJOE90
Hagler was floored in a street fight when he was hit over the head with a beer bottle by fellow pro' Middleweight Dornell Wigfall.
Posted: 30 Mar 2007, 15:22
by dr_devious
KOJOE90 wrote:Hagler was floored in a street fight when he was hit over the head with a beer bottle by fellow pro' Middleweight Dornell Wigfall.
Tell us more about this one Joe
Posted: 02 Apr 2007, 09:44
by granberry
Terence wrote:granberry wrote:Question for clueless Terence:
Would you rather have a thumb stuck in your eye
or a scratch on your cheek?
Simple question from a simple mind. Answer: If my eye was already swollen from the thumb I would rather not have someone rub their gloves over it.
Try to think laterally, it may duplicate the scene from 'Scanners' but that will not be a huge tragedy.
Clueless Terence answers.
Posted: 02 Apr 2007, 11:20
by dr_devious
granberry wrote:dr_devious wrote:Hagler's chin was beyond question. He was never even knocked down in 60 odd fights - the count he took in the Roldan fight followed a slip.
Now tell us about the thumb Hagler put in Roldan's eye just after the "slip."
LOL.
Granma, Hagler was probably retaliating against the foul where he was pulled down by Roldan.
What exactly has Hagler thumbing Roldan got to do with his ability to take a punch? Or are you adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5 by suggesting that the count was due to a legitimate knockdown, so Hagler retaliates with a foul? If so, you are clutching at straws, pretty much like you do in the rest of your deluded posts.
Posted: 02 Apr 2007, 12:02
by granberry
dr_devious wrote:granberry wrote:dr_devious wrote:Hagler's chin was beyond question. He was never even knocked down in 60 odd fights - the count he took in the Roldan fight followed a slip.
Now tell us about the thumb Hagler put in Roldan's eye just after the "slip."
LOL.
Granma, Hagler was probably retaliating against the foul where he was pulled down by Roldan.
What exactly has Hagler thumbing Roldan got to do with his ability to take a punch? Or are you adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5 by suggesting that the count was due to a legitimate knockdown, so Hagler retaliates with a foul? If so, you are clutching at straws, pretty much like you do in the rest of your deluded posts.
Roldan said he was thumbed.
In his corner between rounds Roldan's cornermen tried to get him to continue while he complained that he didn't want to because of the thumbing.
All that was shown in the between rounds shown during the fight.
Hagler thumbed Roldan--a blatant foul--the worst of all fouls--
and got away with it.
Hagler thumbed Roldan as soon as Hagler discovered that Roldan was too strong for him.
Boxing 'expert" Devious doesn't know that a thumb is a foul.
Boxing "expert" Devious condones Hagler's thumbing of Roldan.
Such "knowledge" of boxing on display here.
If Hagler did it, then thumbing is just fine.
Posted: 02 Apr 2007, 16:21
by dr_devious
Im not condoning thumbing at all.........read my post Granny. Hagler may have thumbed Roldan, but Roldan was no saint himself, as many fighters arent. You pick Harry Greb as being the pinnacle of the middleweight champions, which he may well have been. But he was renowned as being one of the dirtiest champions ever. Greb made Hagler look like Mother Theresa! So its ok for Greb but not Hagler? And Roldan was so much stronger than Hagler that he got stopped in the tenth.
Posted: 02 Apr 2007, 20:20
by granberry
dr_devious wrote:And Roldan was so much stronger than Hagler that he got stopped in the tenth.
He got thumbed in the first.
That was the only way Hagler could stay in there with him.
And the stooge referee let Hagler get away with it.
Garbage.
Posted: 02 Apr 2007, 20:37
by bollox
granberry wrote:dr_devious wrote:And Roldan was so much stronger than Hagler that he got stopped in the tenth.
He got thumbed in the first.
That was the only way Hagler could stay in there with him.
And the stooge referee let Hagler get away with it.
Garbage.
Hagler had no problem dealing with most of the top middles of the middle to late 70's but felt he needed to intentionally thumb one Juan Roldan? This is totally laughable
Posted: 03 Apr 2007, 00:59
by granberry
bollox wrote:granberry wrote:dr_devious wrote:And Roldan was so much stronger than Hagler that he got stopped in the tenth.
He got thumbed in the first.
That was the only way Hagler could stay in there with him.
And the stooge referee let Hagler get away with it.
Garbage.
Hagler had no problem dealing with most of the top middles of the middle to late 70's but felt he needed to intentionally thumb one Juan Roldan? This is totally laughable
Roldan didn't think it was "laughable."
Neither do I.
Posted: 03 Apr 2007, 02:53
by bollox
granberry wrote:bollox wrote:granberry wrote:
He got thumbed in the first.
That was the only way Hagler could stay in there with him.
And the stooge referee let Hagler get away with it.
Garbage.
Hagler had no problem dealing with most of the top middles of the middle to late 70's but felt he needed to intentionally thumb one Juan Roldan? This is totally laughable
Roldan didn't think it was "laughable."
Neither do I.
How is it that not one of Hagler's other 60+ pro opponents that I know of, ever accused him of being a dirty fighter? What's laughable is someone suggesting that Hagler deliberately thumbed Roldan
Roldan was never going to beat Hagler, pure and simple
Posted: 03 Apr 2007, 10:48
by granberry
bollox wrote:
How is it that not one of Hagler's other 60+ pro opponents that I know of, ever accused him of being a dirty fighter?
You don't know much, do you bollox.
When Hagler butted Antofermo as soon as their second fight started,
causing a huge cut just under the hairline (which can only come from a butt)
Antofermo's cornermen complained loudly to the referee as soon as the round ended.
After the fight ended because of the cut Antofermo and his handlers complained long and loudly about Hagler's butting.
DID YOU MANAGE TO MISS THAT ONE, bollox?
Of course you did.
Roldan's handlers worked to get him to continue after he complained in the corner that he couldn't continue because of his thumbed eye.
After the fight that's all they talked about.
DID YOU MANAGE TO MISS THAT ONE, bollox?
Of course you did.
Posted: 03 Apr 2007, 11:00
by Controversial
granberry wrote:dr_devious wrote:And Roldan was so much stronger than Hagler that he got stopped in the tenth.
He got thumbed in the first.
That was the only way Hagler could stay in there with him.
And the stooge referee let Hagler get away with it.
Garbage.
Granberry is there ANY fighter you do like?