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theone wrote:Tyson was measured accurately on HBO at 5'11. Frazier was probably around the same height. But both of them have slouched postures that make them look shorter than they really are.
Im built very similar to them and when I'm forced to stand perfectly straight Im 6'1. When I'm relaxed I look shorter.

This. I met Frazier many years ago when he was still fighting and he seemed no taller than me (5-9.5), but it was obvious that he was relaxed and somewhat slouching.

loaded_gloves wrote:Absolutely no way is David Haye 5'11''. I'm a shade over 5'11'' and Haye towered over me when I met him.

Were you fully erect?

No way is Haye 5'11"

He's over six foot but not by a huge amount. You can see him stack up against a ton of "smaller" fighters on Google and dwarf them but not necessarily in the height department. He looks to be smaller than Andy Murray who is supposedly a genuine 6'3" guy.

Groves is just under 6' and looks his height, yet Haye never really looks to be 3-4 inches taller. Having seen them both standing together literally in front of me, I'd say Haye isn't 6'3" but it's not really that important in the scheme of things.

Frazier and Tyson are both under 6'

Here is a clip from 1986 with Mike Tyson talking about his height.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yQb5nx5-w8

He's in the 5'11" range, which is better than Michael Dokes, who was listed at 6'3", and at least two inches shorter.

I think Frazier was on the low end of 5'11. Men shrink as they get older from bad posture and deteriorating bone mass. I'm sure he probably shrunk to 5'10 or maybe even a tinge shorter in his old age.

From face-offs I've seen Haye's about 6'2 but a naturally skinny 6'2.

Suppose you just walked out of the Amazon jungles for the last 35 years and saw Mike Tyson here on tv for the first time.How tall would you think he is?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgcHBcQRlpw

Il Duce wrote:George 'Scrap Iron' Johnson

From an article with 'Scrap Iron' Johnson,

"Joe Frazier fought small with his 'bob-and-weave' style. He wasn't too big, but he could
reach you with those wide-sweeping left hooks like a 6-Footer. I liked to call Joe
'sneaky small'. He stayed low and made himself look small, but then he exploded and
surprised you with his reach."

http://www.josportsinc.com/item_images/1179926371.jpg

I think Joe showed up for Scrap Iron's funeral. The family was touched.

Hopefully I have this correct, recall reading about it somewhere.

theone wrote:Tyson was measured accurately on HBO at 5'11. Frazier was probably around the same height. But both of them have slouched postures that make them look shorter than they really are.
Im built very similar to them and when I'm forced to stand perfectly straight Im 6'1. When I'm relaxed I look shorter.

My old man's exactly like that. Weighs about 210lbs and walks around @ 5,8, 5,9. Upright he is 5,11

Nile4000 wrote:He's in the 5'11" range, which is better than Michael Dokes, who was listed at 6'3", and at least two inches shorter.

What makes you say that? Dokes always looked huge to me. Seemed tall in the stare offs.

loaded_gloves wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:He's in the 5'11" range, which is better than Michael Dokes, who was listed at 6'3", and at least two inches shorter.

What makes you say that? Dokes always looked huge to me. Seemed tall in the stare offs.

Hard to tell exactly, but I met him several times and Mike was probably between 6-2 and 6-3.

Jan wrote:did anyone here met tyson and can say how big he is? Frazier maybe 5-10, but i dont think more.

My friend met him and said he was about 5''9 - 5''10 max. Something like 5''9.5 would be my guess

The Great John L wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:He's in the 5'11" range, which is better than Michael Dokes, who was listed at 6'3", and at least two inches shorter.

What makes you say that? Dokes always looked huge to me. Seemed tall in the stare offs.

Hard to tell exactly, but I met him several times and Mike was probably between 6-2 and 6-3.

That sounds about right, he certainly looked imposing in the ring.

A man who often seemed bigger than his listed height and seemed to loom over people was Tim Witherspoon. I seem to recall this being written about a few times.

crusader: thanks, tyson looks 5 10.5 there

"He`s never fought anyone like me, someone with a strong jab who can box and is not going in there just to survive. Do you think I`m going to walk into the roundhouse punches of a guy who`s 5-8? Everyone else has counted me out. I don't feed into that. As far as him being invincible is concerned, on Oct. 16, I'll just have to prove that wrong . . . Come Oct. 16, I'm going to shock the world. Any expert who says I'm not ready for Tyson is no expert at all. I've gone through hell in 15 fights. I don't know this Tyson the way you guys talk about him. I know Tyson from way back when."" - Tyrell Biggs

Holyfield stated a few years ago ( after his fights against tyson) that tyson is only 5-9! on the other hand holy claims to be 6-2 , but hes never 5 inches taller than tyson imo.


someone here once postetd tyson was meassured 5 8.5 by police and sometimes he really looks short, definately short than 5 11.5..

i think tyson and frazier were both taller than 5-8 , but not what they were acclaimed to be. They both were not 5 11.5, maybe they were 5-10.

Yet oddly enough, Holyfield looks taller than Dokes in all the press photos.

loaded_gloves wrote:

Nile4000 wrote:He's in the 5'11" range, which is better than Michael Dokes, who was listed at 6'3", and at least two inches shorter.

What makes you say that? Dokes always looked huge to me. Seemed tall in the stare offs.

Yeah, especially against someone like a George Chaplin, or LYnn Ball, but someone like Tex Cobb, he seems a bit short.He's not the height of a Page, or Witherspoon, who were more like a legit 6'3".

Actually Spoon towered over Page. Page had freakishly long arms but didn't look that tall. Although then again he seemed to be another slouching type, so who knows.

ha ha ha

What abozt the Klitschkos? Chuck Wepner once stated he met Wladimir and said hes only 6 foot4..

Jan wrote:Does anybody know how tall Frazier really was?

About 5'11 in his prime.

dempseyfire wrote:I think Frazier was on the low end of 5'11. Men shrink as they get older from bad posture and deteriorating bone mass. I'm sure he probably shrunk to 5'10 or maybe even a tinge shorter in his old age.

From face-offs I've seen Haye's about 6'2 but a naturally skinny 6'2.

Larry Holmes must have shrunk prematurely. He was 6'4 in his 20s and 30s and 6'3 in his 40s.
Then there is Foreman. He magically went from 6'3 when he was in his 20s to 6'4 when he was in his 40s.

Brutu wrote: ↑28 Jul 2013, 12:00 According to Joe Frazier's 1996 autobiography SMOKIN' JOE(with Phil Berger).
He was very specific about his height at least at age 21.
page 36,
"Five feet eleven and one-half inches tall"

he also listed his reach at "seventy-one inches"
which is shorter
then the reach boxrec lists it as.

Boxrec lists Joe Frazier's reach at "73 inches/185 cm"

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celeb heights has frazier at 5'10.5 and mike at 5'10, id trust them more than official listings. haye is 6'2 there


http://www.celebheights.com/s/Mike-Tyson-1161.html

https://www.celebheights.com/s/Joe-Frazier-52562.html

I know from the book Bad Intentions it was stated there was an orchestrated effort to make Mike Tyson taller than he was, that he was more 5'8.5" than 5'11" in height.

In the beginning his management team would make arguments that because he was so short he can generate more power punching upwards, etc--- but after a while the narrative changed to say that he wasn't as short as people thought he was.



I know men shrink over time but if BoxRec lists Roy Jones Jr as 5'11" in height then clearly Tyson is in reality 5'8"-5'9" in height, so the book was accurate at least in that particular subject.

I remember quite a long time ago there was a thread about Harry Wills and how tall he actually was because he was listed as short as 6'0" but as much as 6'5", so there was a pretty lengthy search over time by us forum posters to determine his true height.

If my memory recollects we all basically determined he had to be somewhere between 6'3"-6'4", which would have made him rather large for the time period. But yes height and weight statistics on the website are not accurate.