Bob Foster cleaned out the division pre title

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:45

I Feel Fine wrote:
I notice most of the examples granberry uses of Ali looking bad came when Ali was shot, post-Manila... Young, Shavers... or too young.. Banks, where Ali wasn't even 15-0, and Jones where he was 17-0 and had trained for a four rounder.. or Cooper where Ali just got nailed...

The Ali industry doesn't let its clones know it, but

Doug Jones and Henry Cooper were the two fights Ali had JUST BEFORE he supposedly was able to beat Sonny Liston.

The Doug Jones fight was a main event at Madison Square Garden. It was scheduled for ten rounds.

That was in the contract.

I knew John Condon, the promoter for Madison Square Garden who promoted that fight and told me a lot about the problems they had with a media strike while he was trying to promote the fight and get customers to come to the Garden that night.

I am sure Condon would be interested to hear that it was a scheduled 4-rounder.

Your "just got nailed" is a classic mindless example of an Ali industry clone attempting to justify Ali's failings.

I am sure that when Ali landed a punch no Ali industry shill would say Ali's opponent "just got nailed."

You need to come up with some better attempts at explaining away your hero's failings.

Check with your mentors--Bert Sugar, Larry Merchant, Howard Cosell, Nigel Collins, Jim Lampley, Thomas Hauser,

and the rest of the halfwits who make a living as proud members of the Ali industry.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:55

I have Clay-Jones, Clay-Cooper, Clay-Liston all on tape... I don't need you to explain to me that Clay fought Liston after those two fights.

You never managed to answer my first post where I responded to why Clay was able to beat Liston after two poor showings. No reason to re-post it.

Knock downs happen, Joe Louis got knocked down by Tony Galento in a championship fight... Jack Johnson got knocked down by a Middleweight in a championship fight... Clay was still coming up the ranks... Oscar De La Hoya got knocked down by two shitty fighters in his younger days, he by no means has a bad chin...

As for ignorance of Sonny Liston, I'm sure I've seen more Liston fights than most boxing fans who didn't live in his day have.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Apr 2007, 16:57

Decagon wrote:
Foster, Cooper and Banks did end up looking like fools, and aside from Norton (who didn't headhunt at all), all of those fighters faced Ali when Ali was at the beginning or the end of his career.

Decagon,

You pandering Ali industry apologists resort to falshood when nothing else works.

Joe Frazier almost killed Bob Foster with a couple left hooks, knocking Foster cold in two rounds.

Pitty pat punching Ali showed he couldn't punch for the billionth time in his fight with Foster.

Ali weighed over FORTY pounds more than Foster.

Foster went down because Ali leaned his weight on his 40 pound lighter opponent until Foster got tired. That took a lot longer than 2 rounds.

Meanwhile, as Ferdie Pacheco writes, Ali was frantic about his cut eye back in the dressing room after the fight.

Ali looked like the non puncher he was against Foster.

He also got hit a lot by Foster, left jabs and right hands.

Ali came out looking like a lot less than "the greatest of all time" against Foster.

Henry Cooper bloodied Ali's nose 20 seconds into their fight and knocked Ali down with a single left hook at the end of the 4th round.

Ali looked like a fool struggling with Cooper, who was 25 pounds lighter than Ali.

In two fights with Cooper, pitty pat Ali never scored a knockdown.

Zora Folley knocked out Cooper with a single right hand in 2 rounds.

A past his best Floyd Patterson knocked out Cooper for a ten count.

The Clay-Banks fight had a disputed ending with stooge referee Ruby Goldstein stopping the fight in Clay's favor.

Your clown Ali came out looking more like a fool than your purported "greatest of all tiime" in all three fights.

Norton didn't headhunt at all?

How did he break Ali's jaw?

By hitting him to body?

LOL

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 12 Apr 2007, 17:04

A past his best Floyd Patterson knocked out Cooper for a ten count.

I disagree with this bit. Look at Patterson's record after he lost the title to Sonny Liston. He was by far a better fighter, and was cheated, robbed out of becoming the THREE TIME HW CHAMPION. He would have beaten Ali to the punch, had the judges not cheated Patterson out of the win.

Total Highway robbery.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 13 Apr 2007, 14:31

Decagon wrote:Perhaps you don't know what headhunting is? Headhunting is punching exclusively to the head, the way Ali did. It's usually not a good tactic, and it never worked against Ali. Norton was able to land the left hook seemingly at will because he mixed it up to the body and the head throughout all three fights.

Excellent point: "Never headhunt with a headhunter."

Oh, and you still need to explain why "everyone on the East Coast" knew that Ali-Liston II was a fix. If so, why wasn't Ali a heavy favorite?

I'm still waiting for TrollBerry to provide some real evidence for that favorite "talking point" allegation of his, as well.

So how about some proof, Elderberry?

We are waiting.

LOL

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 13 Apr 2007, 15:18

Foster is without question, one of the best LHW's in history. If people were judged just on their looks, people would have under-estimated "The Sheriff".

The crushing left-hook Foster landed on Dick Tiger's chin is one of the best punches I've seen. It was a fantastci punch, right on the button.

They certainly don't make guys like Foster anymore!