Leonard vs Hagler: 20th Anniversary

Elton John · Post by **Elton John** » 09 Apr 2007, 11:52

ringsider wrote:
his fight with Norris, a man whose rspect he couldn't get within the first two rounds and as a result, fell apart quickly. You could see all his confidence leave him . Once he got slapped won by the terrible one, he felt his guts turn to jelly and the match evolved into a one sided mismatch.
So that is the best you have? Why didn't Norris fight him years earlier? I guess because Norris was a coward too?

Norris didn't belong in the same ring with Leonard, let alone spoken in the same breathe when they were in their respective primes.

yeah i thought you'd try something twisted like that. You got no answer except to reply with a question of your own.

You didn't even acknowledge anything I said in my last post because you don't know how and that just proves me right.

and you didn't dare address the fact that Ray Leonard didn't want no part of a rematch with Hearns while Ray was still active and in his prime.

Is it any wonder that he NEVER was fond of giving rematches??

Ray leonard ducked the best fighter (hagler) out there when it mattered but you're talking about him like he was up there with Ali and Robinson.

As if he were the best of his decade-Mr. Retire/unretire-get to pick my opponents whenever I want-deny you a rematch-fight at the weight I dictate even though you're the champion-Ray Leonard.

you know i can't agree with anything you say. Talking about primes which you supposedly know about---but don't.

I've been watching the sport since Ali left the sport in 79 and I've seen them all. Ali was great. Hagler was great. Roy Jones another of the great ones.

Ray Leonard was just a farce except to the untrained eye like yours.

Who else do you know who sat out his best years due to intense competition? Don't lie. Just tell the truth.

Ray leonard climbing in the ring with a Kevin Howard. Shit! It should have been Hearns but the chicken just quit the sport when he had no reason to.

Who else do you know that sat out his best years boy? Or fights old men as often as leonard did throughout the late 80's?

There is no other! That's why he doesn't get respect.

and once he gets in the ring with the first youthful fighter, he looks every bit as incompetent as he looked in his first go-around with Hearns and even worse.

then the typical crybaby response from his fans is "Norris didn't belong in the same ring with Leonard during their respective primes". You people don't know shit period.

I say, "oh yeah? Prove it!"

Once again, you can't. Your man just caved in because he couldn't deal with anyone that wasn't walking without a cane.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 09 Apr 2007, 12:12

Leonard was declared the winner by a UD over Hagler......that is all that counts. Sorry.....

None of your far reaching drivel changes that.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Apr 2007, 13:30

Not a single boxing "expert" posting their deep thoughts here has mentioned that

this so-called championship fight was "fought"

at a shortened 12-round distance at Leonard's insistence

with huge 10-ounce gloves at Leonard's insistence

"Referee" Richard Steal warned Leonard over 30 times for holding without ever taking a point away from him.

Leonard punched after the bell in 5 out of the 12 rounds (6-7 punches after the bell ending the 11th round) while "referee" Richard Steal stood by and smiled.

Swallow your pablum handed to you by Bert Sugar, Howard Cosell, Larry Merchant, etc. and regurgitate it back out, children.

This so-called fight was not a fight by legitimate conditions and standards of boxing.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 09 Apr 2007, 13:38

Oh no....dingle berry is blathering on again, about all the things Hagler's camp agreed too.

Too bad, so sad.....

The winner by UD and NEW MW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD........Sugar Ray Leonard!!!

Goode Bye and good riddance to a foot in the bucket south paw plodder.....that some called marvelous!!!

How about Stumbleous, offbalanceous, southpawous, overratedous, see youlaterous Hagler!!.......

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Apr 2007, 13:49

ringsider wrote:Oh no....dingle berry is blathering on again, about all the things Hagler's camp agreed too.

Too bad, so sad.....

The winner by UD and NEW MW CHAMPION OF THE WORLD........Sugar Ray Leonard!!!

Goode Bye and good riddance to a foot in the bucket south paw plodder.....that some called marvelous!!!

How about Stumbleous, offbalanceous, southpawous, overratedous, see youlaterous Hagler!!.......

Ringsider,

Your hysterical post above looks like blathering to me.

Both Hagler and your Leonard were far below the level of the best fighters in the history of boxing.

Their "fight" was a farce,

fit only for Bert Sugar, Howard Cosell, and Larry Merchant to peddle as supposedly legitimate boxing.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 09 Apr 2007, 13:55

Like I said. This fight should have been in 1982 or 1983 when BOTH were in their complete primes.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Apr 2007, 14:08

elmersalsa wrote:Like I said. This fight should have been in 1982 or 1983 when BOTH were in their complete primes.

Leonard would have run away even faster and grabbed and held even more.

As long as "referee" Richard Steal was in his "prime,"

it wouldn't matter when the fight would have taken place.

The result would have been the same as long as Leonard wasn't carried out of the ring on a stretcher.

All Leonard had to do was last to the end to be declared the "winner."

Much like the Harold Johnson-Willie Pastrano fight,

(with of course the same Angelo Dundee in the "winner's" corner).

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 09 Apr 2007, 14:25

And new BOXREC heavyweight whining champion...................................................................................................................Gran "sour grapes" Berry

Elton John · Post by **Elton John** » 09 Apr 2007, 15:39

ringsider wrote:Leonard was declared the winner by a UD over Hagler......that is all that counts. Sorry..... None of your far reaching drivel changes that.

I understand if you need to keep your responses short-you have no way to refute anything I've said.

By the way:

Hearns D12 Leonard

Duran W15 Leonard

Norris W12 Leonard

Camacho ko 5 Leonard

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 09 Apr 2007, 16:28

The fight was over 12 rounds because only the WBC sanctioned it.

Regardless of whether Hagler was past his best or not it was still an achievement for a 3 years out of the ring Leonard making his debut at Middleweight to even run him close, whatever anybody's opinion of the split decision.

And anybody who doesn't think Hagler could box is clearly an idiot.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 24 Apr 2007, 23:35

I dont't think Hagler nor Leonard were over rated I think both were fantastic talents.

I scored this fight for Leonard.

Just how I saw it.

Kym