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boxingchat wrote:I tell you what, you go away and do your homework, get your facts right and your groveling apology will be accepted.

Stupid pudendum

I can scan the issue of Boxing Monthly if you like, July 93 off the top of my head where there is a large article on Hearn and King teaming up.. Chris Pyatt would be fighting Julian Jackson in Mexico, the winner of Eubank/Benn 2 fighting Michael Nunn in London in Feb, Steve Collins would be fighting Gerald McClelland either in London in Feb or Vegas in May, whoever came out on top out of Eubank/Benn/Nunn would take on McClelland in Vegas in July.etc. Jackson was also willing to go up to 168 and the losers would be fighting on undercards and coming again..King was going to do things with Herbie Hide too..

Warren was employed by Hearn and King to help with the purse of Eubank/Benn 2 but mainly because Chris Pyatt had just left Hearn for Warren and was already signed to fight Jackson..

Thats from memory, ill dig out this copy..

boxingchat wrote:

Greg Nicholas wrote:He said:

Don't you think Benn will know that Warren is making more money out of thr book that Hatton or Hickman due to the catalogue of lies throughout. Benn was right you idiot.

The book was libelous so therefore it means Hatton is a liar. What bit of that confuses you you moron.

I'm glad there were lies in there, IF there were lies in there.. that just makes it even better.. Warren deserves it..

And thinking about it, Benn did ALOT for Warren, in the 4 yrs after he got shot (I so fuckin wish it caught that organ on the left side of your bod) he was struggling until Benn decided to employ him.. imagine if Eubank had knocked Benn out cleanly at old trafford and Benn went along with Hearn and King, where would Warren be now..?

Benn was not with warren after he got shot you prick

What are you talking about..? Nobody said he was

Benn left him after 5 or 6 mnths because Warren wouldnt even come to the gym to watch Benn train, and refused to move Benn up in class....

Big Pussy wrote:

boxingchat wrote:Yes, Johnny Nelson, The Former British, European and World Cruiserweight Champion who retired undefeated WBO Champion. Probably the best Cruiserweight (Albeit boring) this country's ever had.

Show him some respect.

Who I respect is down to me and as far as I'm concerned Nelson and you are a long way off. Given your past comments directed at boxers I don't think you are in any position to tell anyone about showing respect.

Now, run along.

Bollocks to all this politics. I tend to get sued more often than I'd like.

HOWEVER, I am certainly prepared to defend old Johnny. Even if you think he was rubbish (which I don't) it makes what he did achieve all the more remarkable, n'est pas?

Greg Nicholas wrote:
Benn left him after 5 or 6 mnths because Warren wouldnt even come to the gym to watch Benn train, and refused to move Benn up in class....

(that from Jan 88 )

All Warren and sports network ever come out with is just a bunch of lies (ALL THE TIME!), but nodody can be bothered to even take notice of the nonsense let alone expose it.. its boring.. and Warren and sports network should know that they are laughed at by all.. Warren should also know that he has no true friends, and he does..

Greg Nicholas wrote:I'm sure he'd have made sure Nigel Benn got a copy of the Hatton book.. to make Benn see Warren in a different light!

So Warren lost his biggest trumpet blower..

The book served its purpose :)

Even if claims were false, Warren deserves to be seen in a worse light :)

Nice one Niall! Great stuff..

WTF

Benn did say on the Calzaghe docu that Warren should have better or something, I wonder if they did fall out?

Ian.

You like him. I don't. It's no big deal. Each to their own and every one has a right to an opinion.

I like to see hungry fighters and if they hold a World title I like to see them chase down the other champions to unify as opposed to a safety first approach taking easy, worthless fights which does the sport no favours.

If you like something else thats ok.

Yes it's true Warren was scrapping for the #2 spot with Duff, Eastwood and Maloney from 1990 to 1994, only because Barry Hearn had Messeur Eubank. If Warren had Messeur Eubank, he'd have been #1. If Joe Bloggs had Messeur Eubank, he'd have been #1. Nigel Benn was forced to play #2 to Eubank after Eubank beat him.

But when Eubank went satellite, and after the emergence of Prince Naseem, and after the comeback of Bruno, and after Benn-McClellan, and after Eubank lost, it was Warren who reigned supreme with his 10-15 fight supershows on Sky and the emergence of PPV.

He far surpassed anything Hearn ever did or ever could do ;) And the irony is, it was due to Hearn. Eubank was the one in charge there and Eubank didn't want to be tied to Don K, so Hearn went along with what he wanted (there was no clause for a draw) as always and that caused Don K and Nigel to go with Warren. Warren was and is always the one in charge with his fighters.

Tsukiyomi wrote:Then go watch them.

Warren makes simular match ups domestically, just different belts.

To be fair only his own domestic fighters fight one another and it's usually for a meaningless WBU strap, why not put his men in for the British and work with other promoters?

Big Pussy wrote:Ian.

You like him. I don't. It's no big deal. Each to their own and every one has a right to an opinion.

I like to see hungry fighters and if they hold a World title I like to see them chase down the other champions to unify as opposed to a safety first approach taking easy, worthless fights which does the sport no favours.

If you like something else thats ok.

Oh, couldn't agree with you more there, BP. Johnny was never much good at chasing - but re getting fights, it was a bit harder in his case as there were always easier/more lucrative fights out there for other champions to take.

Some of our other champs don't have that excuse, and boxing is the worse off for their approach.

I told my aged Dad recently that I was a Nelson fan - it was if I'd come out of the closet! Of course, the old boy still remembers him from the De Leon/Warring days.

Yeah Ian, it's not as if Nelson could have dropped the WBO belt and become a mandatory for one of the other belts, would never have happened. Who was going to back him financially in a unification? Why would the other belt holders have risked fighting him? The guy fought in 12 different countries because he struggled to get fights at home.

Nelson definitely made the best of what could have been a very poor career. It's just a shame his fight with Enzo didn't come off as I feel it would have been a great last hurrah.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: I told my aged Dad recently that I was a Nelson fan - it was if I'd come out of the closet! Of course, the old boy still remembers him from the De Leon/Warring days.

How can we ever forget?? It was like Groudhog day.
I still wake up in a cold sweat sometimes, dreaming I'm strapped into a ringside seat for both, and everythings in slow motion...

It's a great shame that Nelson never got any of the big names, against whom he would have had a bloody good chance of winning in his prime. A combination of a style which was far from his monicker of 'the entertainer,' the fact he wasn't a draw, was competing in a division where none of the champs wanted to face one another, and the fact he was so bloody hard to nail with a clean shot did not really give him much chance of ever getting a shot at any of the major belts.

I'm not a fan of Nelson's style, however, just because you don't like the tune being played on it, doesn't mean the fiddle itself is shit. He was a good technician who made the best of his level of talent and came back from a disastrous early career to carve out a pretty decent resume for himself. Fair play to the man, he was the consumnate professional in my eyes.

Spot on James, Spot on

MightyWarrior wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: I told my aged Dad recently that I was a Nelson fan - it was if I'd come out of the closet! Of course, the old boy still remembers him from the De Leon/Warring days.

How can we ever forget?? It was like Groudhog day.
I still wake up in a cold sweat sometimes, dreaming I'm strapped into a ringside seat for both, and everythings in slow motion...

If you wanna talk sad, hopeful and down right foolish behaviour...

I waited up into the wee small hours to LISTEN to Nelson’s fight against Warring on Radio 5 live. Having said that, the radio commentary was probably less painful then sitting through a viewing of that non-fight. That at an age when I should have had far more interesting things to do as well!

Nelson really tested the patience at times, but ultimately his achievements are undeniable.

When I think Johnny Nelson. I think Carlos De Leon.

Sorry.

I like Nelson - for me sport is about winning first and entertaining second.

I know boxing is slightly different but the basic premise is still the same.

Listen , I am a Newcastle fan and we entertained to high heaven under keegan but still won piss all. Give me 1-0 to the Arsenal any day if it means winning a pot or too.

Same shit with John Ruiz et al - poor guy gets a bucketload of shit yet no-one has the decency to think 'you know what fair play'.

Listen, its not the grace of the chat up line that counts its whether you get the leg over at the end of the day!

steve689 wrote:

Tsukiyomi wrote:Then go watch them.

Warren makes simular match ups domestically, just different belts.

To be fair only his own domestic fighters fight one another and it's usually for a meaningless WBU strap, why not put his men in for the British and work with other promoters?

Not always his own domestic fighters fight each other although I agree It's more regular that sometimes though.

All the UK promotors do It too though, just Warren has more fighters than the others.

This Greg fella Is obviously not thinking that Hickman and Hatton's comments are wrote at the expense of the publishers, does he think FW deserves It now?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's a great shame that Nelson never got any of the big names, against whom he would have had a bloody good chance of winning in his prime. A combination of a style which was far from his monicker of 'the entertainer,' the fact he wasn't a draw, was competing in a division where none of the champs wanted to face one another, and the fact he was so bloody hard to nail with a clean shot did not really give him much chance of ever getting a shot at any of the major belts.

I'm not a fan of Nelson's style, however, just because you don't like the tune being played on it, doesn't mean the fiddle itself is shit. He was a good technician who made the best of his level of talent and came back from a disastrous early career to carve out a pretty decent resume for himself. Fair play to the man, he was the consumnate professional in my eyes.

I certainly USED to agree with your first line, but when I saw the matured Nelson fight his bigger named fighters (excluding Thompson) I don't think he would have beaten many, if any, of the champions during his championship reign.

Nelson fought so badly IMO vs Sellars, Dominguez and Jones. He lost to Jones, I know its not the opinion of the Nelson fans but I think the only reason he beat Dominguez was because Dominguez ran out of gas.... and was struggling vs Sellars untill Sellars' chin came to the rescue.

He might well have been past it when he fought these - but it is hard to guage when his peak was. For me, his second best career performance came in his penultimate fight vs Rudiger May.

Gurov, Braithwaite, Toney et al all would have been able to walk threw Nelson's power and offered something back.. If Sellars had enough speed to tag Johnny, then so did these. I don't know if it was a fear regarding his ability to take punches - but Nelson reacted very badly to a pressure fighter and in a way that wouldn't endear him any fans or points with the judges. I hate to call any person who steps into those ropes scarred, let alone one of our most successfull world champions.... but that what it seemed to be. The Warring / De Leon fights showed he would rather lose on points and not get tagged than win on points at the risk of getting tagged. When it came to scenrios, usually against slower boxers, in which he could be offensive and no nothing is coming back - he'd be fine. I don't want to call it fear, but I am struggling to think of appropriate vocabulary to call it.

I think had Nelson fought the champions - Gomez, Braithwaite, Toney, Jirov etc I think it would have been Nelson surviving and losing on points - ala Nelson vs Warring or Harrison vs Guinn.

Its a bit of a pity, cause I think Nelson had the tools to be the best British fighters of the 90's/00's and that a match with HIM and Roy Jones should have been demanded on both sides of the atlantic.

STP wrote:Yes it's true Warren was scrapping for the #2 spot with Duff and Eastwood from 1990 to 1994

Oh and Frank Maloney