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Posted: 27 May 2007, 13:49
by Captain Hook
PS The general threat and his comments are s****, not the ones above :lol:

Posted: 27 May 2007, 13:58
by Dirk Kelly
Tsukiyomi wrote:I thought It was because of blacking out In sparring that he declined to fight Joe not motivational problems?
Did the black outs not happen when he was attempting to make his comeback several years later?

Posted: 28 May 2007, 09:08
by ebeneezer
A match between Calzaghe and Collins would have been a carbon copy of Calzaghe's fight with Mark Delaney.

Posted: 28 May 2007, 10:20
by MightyWarrior
Sounds like Steve has been knocking back a few too many pints lately. Everyone in the sport knows he retired in order to avoid a beating from Calzaghe, no doubt about it.

Posted: 28 May 2007, 11:01
by TerribleTerry
Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.

It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.

Posted: 28 May 2007, 11:03
by Coco
TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.

It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.
If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?

Posted: 28 May 2007, 11:14
by yiddo14
All the punches Collins took in his career must be catching up with him.

The list of 5 middleweights was strange,and the fact he included himself in that list,stranger still!
Calzaghe,at ANY point over the past 11 years would have had too much for ANY version of Steve Collins.

I'am no fan of Joe in particular,but he is most certainly a much better fighter than Steve Collins ever was,or could ever dream of being :TU:

Collins was a good fighter,who,more importantly,came along at just the right time and earnt himself a few nice pay days beating the shells of Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank.

He is no great.

Posted: 28 May 2007, 11:30
by jangeorg
He's right though.

Why did Calzaghe wait till he was a 100 years old to start calling out the big names and fight on US Tv?

Posted: 28 May 2007, 11:54
by TerribleTerry
Coco wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.

It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.
If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?
As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.

That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.

You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.

Posted: 28 May 2007, 12:08
by Coco
TerribleTerry wrote:
Coco wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.

It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.
If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?
As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.

That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.

You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.
Maybe it was more to do with the fact the risk/reward ratio was not big enough.

He had done the hard work from his U.S apprentiship and was an established champion after beating the Eubank and the shell of Benn.

But he knew he was on the wane after the Cummings fight and had timed his Eubank and Benn fights well

The prospect of being whipped by the new kid in town without a retirement payday on the line, was not tempting.

Posted: 28 May 2007, 21:56
by STP
jangeorg wrote:He's right though.

Why did Calzaghe wait till he was a 100 years old to start calling out the big names and fight on US Tv?
He means Calzaghe didn't mean a lot in BRITAIN until last year

Posted: 29 May 2007, 00:15
by Greg Nicholas
Found this from a few weeks back.. http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/news/arc ... 003207.htm



INTERVIEW WITH JOE CALZAGHE


After the event, World Champion Joe Calzaghe was kind enough to donate his time to an exclusive interview where I discovered the Super Middleweight WBO and IBF belt-holder has as big a heart outside the ring as he has in it.

DM: Firstly, Joe – congratulations on a 20th title defence; was that one of the highlights of your boxing career, selling out a record 35,000 crowd in Wales and retaining your crown in front of your own people?

JC: Yeah, thank you very much. I mean, obviously it was a great night for me and of course fighting in Cardiff was special, fighting in Cardiff is always special, but the occasion and the crowd that night made it all the more better, and so yeah it was an outstanding night in my career so far.

DM: You’re of a mixed heritage – Welsh and, perhaps more significantly tonight, Italian – how much does it mean to be in Bedford, the place where your father grew up and where you have such a large Italian following?

JC: Yeah, it’s great, obviously I know my granddad came over here after the war to Bedford and I know this place has a big Italian community --

DM: -- the largest in Europe outside of Italy, apparently.


JC: Is that right, is it? I didn’t know it was that many but I always knew there was a lot of Italians who live here and obviously my dad was one of those, he lived here as a kid with his family and his brothers and so when I found out World Boxing Cares were holding the event here in Bedford that it would a great opportunity to give something back to a local area my father grew up in. He (Enzo) knows the area as well, lots of memories here for him – so, yeah, it was just a fantastic opportunity to come here for a good cause and speak to so many second-generation Italians like myself.

DM: You make very few public appearances, Joe; aside from your father’s connection with Bedford, what was it about the Keech Cottage children’s charity that drew you down here?


JC: Well, you know, I’ve got kids myself – I’ve got a nine-year old and a twelve-year old and there’s nothing more harrowing or distressing for a parent than having to go through an illness which affects your child. I do some work for the NSPCC too and there’s another charity in Wales called Latch which is a charity for children with cancer – so any charity that affects children is close to my heart and at the end of the day any small thing I can possibly do I will endeavour to. It’s a pleasure for me do so and I really hope tonight is a good evening for the charity, and I’d definitely like to support the charity again in the future.


DM: You got an electric reception here tonight; you’ve clearly secured a loyal fan-base, you’ve unified the WBO and IBF world titles, you’ve reached the milestone of 20 title defences… what’s left for you now in the sport of boxing, what else do you feel you need to achieve before you retire?


JC: Listen, I can fight until I’m forty. I’ve just turned thirty-five, I’m in good shape, still sharp as ever, quick as ever but there’s a fine line in boxing – and that’s knowing when to retire. Very, very few fighters know when to retire. You’ve always got that lure of the pound that keeps dragging you back into fighting when you get beat so I’ll give myself three, four more fights – big fights, that’s all I’m after now, I’m not interested in meaningless fights, I want big fights; Jermain Taylor, Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones – I’m not interested in anything else. I’ve put myself in the big league, all I want to do is fight big fights whether it’s in England, Wales or America – big fights with big money.


DM: As you said, you’re finally getting the recognition in the USA you’ve craved for so craved and deserved arguably even longer – but do you maybe regret that you never got to fight Steve Collins, who was well known in the States, and who may have unlocked the door for you over there a little earlier?


JC: Well, I mean Steve Collins retired at the end of the day, what more can I say? allegedly promoted the two of us and you ask allegedly what happened – he (Steve Collins) didn’t wanna fight me for a simple reason – he knew he was gonna get beat. He retired six days before the fight, what champion retires six days before a world title fight? And at the end of the day, Chris Eubank was training for a fight as well and Eubank to be honest, you know, he was going through a phase where he was having ten fights a year and he actually knocked down Steve Collins in the first fight, so… But yeah, of course, I would have loved to have beat Steve Collins because he was the actual champion at the time. But still, fighting somebody like Chris Eubank – I mean the guy was practically a legend and if you’re gonna win a world title Chris Eubank’s a big name to win it off.


DM: Speaking of missed opportunities: any fighter, any weight, any era – who would you have loved to face?


JC: Ooh, I don’t know… I would have liked to have tested myself against Hagler, y’know, Hagler was a great fighter, he was a southpaw like myself, very strong, very good hand-speed – I would have liked to see what might have happened between me and Hagler if he had’ve stepped up to Super Middleweight, but I don’t know, it’s difficult to say. There’s so many great fighters, I don’t tend to look at them and think ‘what would I have done against them’ I just like to look back and admire them, like Leonard, Duran, Chavez – all them sort of fighters. I don’t really think about what I’d have done with them I just admire them for the fighters they were in their day.

DM: Boxing as a sport has endured a lot of unnecessary bad press recently, do you think there needs to be more of the type of thing you’ve done tonight; boxers going out of their way for good causes to show that for all the negative attention boxing attracts in the ring, it more than makes up for with positive endeavours outside of it?


JC: Definitely. What boxing doesn’t need is bad press. Boxing needs good press. It doesn’t need fighters who disrespect the sport and slag off other fighters or brawl in the street – and the thing is, when fighters do that, when they actually get in the ring they’re s**t. Y’know, at the end of the day, I do all my talking in the ring and normally you get quiet guys at the press conferences and they’re respectful, then they have wars in the ring. That’s what you want to see, you wanna see a fight in the ring not outside the ring, so definitely it’d be great to get rid of all the bad-mouthing and frolics outside of boxing. But… listen, y’know I still think boxing’s a great game and I love the sport and ultimately it’s made me who I am.

DM: What practical advice would you give to anyone who wanted to get into the sport of boxing?


JC: It’s a great sport, it teaches you discipline, keeps you very fit and gives you a focus in your life. If you learn it properly with a good trainer and you stay dedicated to it then it can take you far in life. There’s many dedicated (boxing) gyms all over the country for all ages and if you want to get involved, go along, see if you like it, even if just to keep fit, and who knows? I guess you never know unless you try.

DM: Thank you very much for your time and thank you for being here tonight, Joe.

JC: Absolute pleasure.

Posted: 29 May 2007, 04:51
by boxingchat
What was the name of that light punching blown up light-Middleweight Aussie that put SC over in his last fight?

Posted: 29 May 2007, 05:56
by PompeyScot
boxingchat wrote:What was the name of that light punching blown up light-Middleweight Aussie that put SC over in his last fight?
The light punching one with 43 stoppages in 53 wins? Craig Cummings was his name, still weighed more than Bobby Gunn's ideal fighting weight :TU:

Posted: 29 May 2007, 06:24
by TerribleTerry
Coco wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
Coco wrote: If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?
As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.

That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.

You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.
Maybe it was more to do with the fact the risk/reward ratio was not big enough.

He had done the hard work from his U.S apprentiship and was an established champion after beating the Eubank and the shell of Benn.

But he knew he was on the wane after the Cummings fight and had timed his Eubank and Benn fights well

The prospect of being whipped by the new kid in town without a retirement payday on the line, was not tempting.
That sounds about right to me..

People accusing Collins of running scared are being disrespectful in my eyes - he was a real hard man and warrior in the ring - that, at least, should be undeniable.

Posted: 29 May 2007, 09:35
by silkov
TerribleTerry wrote:
Coco wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote: As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.

That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.

You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.
Maybe it was more to do with the fact the risk/reward ratio was not big enough.

He had done the hard work from his U.S apprentiship and was an established champion after beating the Eubank and the shell of Benn.

But he knew he was on the wane after the Cummings fight and had timed his Eubank and Benn fights well

The prospect of being whipped by the new kid in town without a retirement payday on the line, was not tempting.
That sounds about right to me..

People accusing Collins of running scared are being disrespectful in my eyes - he was a real hard man and warrior in the ring - that, at least, should be undeniable.

The fact is that he retired rather than face Calzaghe, and only a week before they were due to fight!... hardly the behaviour of a fearless warrior in my book!!. Compare that to Eubank stepping in at short notice and having to lose a lot of weight for the fight?!.
Collins should steer clear of critcising Calzaghe, ...people throwing stones while living in glass houses and all that!... :TU: :roll: 8)

Posted: 29 May 2007, 10:03
by TerribleTerry
Boxing is a tough, dangerous sport – its not like tennis or conkers… If his heart wasn’t in it anymore then I don’t blame him one bit for retiring suddenly.

Collins proved himself time and again where it matters – in the ring. He had a very good career and I would like to see more fighters get out once the competitive fire has left them, instead of staying on too long, taking too many punches…

Posted: 29 May 2007, 10:37
by Rocky Balboa
Sounds like Collins has been on the Guinness too much. In terms of skills, talent, speed etc, there's no comparison, Calzaghe is much the better fighter.

Whilst Collins was a strong, determined, durable fighter, he was no in Joe's league in terms of technical ability. Calzaghe would have taken him all day!

Posted: 29 May 2007, 10:41
by Podmore_Birmingham
TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is a tough, dangerous sport – its not like tennis or conkers…
Although not serious enought to end your life, ‘Conkers’ can be dangerous. I remember when I was in year six (about 1996) and I had one of my fingers broken by a conker that had been tampered with. It damaged my knuckle too. Someone had done the old pollyfiller job on it.

Ah, great days.

Tom Podmore.

Posted: 29 May 2007, 12:25
by silkov
TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is a tough, dangerous sport – its not like tennis or conkers… If his heart wasn’t in it anymore then I don’t blame him one bit for retiring suddenly.

Collins proved himself time and again where it matters – in the ring. He had a very good career and I would like to see more fighters get out once the competitive fire has left them, instead of staying on too long, taking too many punches…

Fair enougth, I'm never one to criticise a fighter for retiring usually, ...but Steve shouldnt be going around saying these things about Calzaghe, especially since he pulled out of fighting him at just 6 days notice!... by saying what he's saying Collins is leaving himself open to criticism. His comments recently that he done over Herol Graham in sparring were also disrespectful and illogical....

Re: Steve Collins laid into Joe Calzaghe yesterday!

Posted: 29 May 2007, 12:40
by hitman_hatton1
STP wrote:“I thoroughly outboxed Chris at Millstreet and lost two or three rounds. Even when he knocked me down, I had a huge grin on my face before I even hit the deck and was looking over at Freddie King laughing.
ha ha what a liar. :lol:

that knockdown punch definitely hurt him.

calzaghe did a better job on chris than both of the collins fights. :TU:

Re: Steve Collins laid into Joe Calzaghe yesterday!

Posted: 29 May 2007, 13:24
by silkov
hitman_hatton1 wrote:
STP wrote:“I thoroughly outboxed Chris at Millstreet and lost two or three rounds. Even when he knocked me down, I had a huge grin on my face before I even hit the deck and was looking over at Freddie King laughing.
ha ha what a liar. :lol:

that knockdown punch definitely hurt him.

calzaghe did a better job on chris than both of the collins fights. :TU:
I wonder if he was laughing when Howard Eastman sparked him in sparring??.... :TU: 8) :roll: :box: :box:

Posted: 29 May 2007, 14:55
by STP
'I was a 16-fight kid going in against one of the all-time greats and deserved atleast a draw'

Steve's a fornicating nutjob if he thinks he deserved a draw against McCallum - just watched that fight again and McCallum made him look amateurish

All three judges scored the first four rounds for McCallum and the fifth as a 10-8 for McCallum with no knockdown, all three scored the sixth for Collins (his best lunging round/rest round for McCallum) and that was it (some of the rest 10/10 - varying each judge). To me though that was being generous, in my eyes Steve lost every round 10-9 with the sound (drunken Irish/Boston crowd) off bar the sixth which he scraped even, his work was just so sloppy compared to McCallum's all over, you could see such a gulf

Posted: 29 May 2007, 15:02
by hitman_hatton1
STP wrote:'I was a 16-fight kid going in against one of the all-time greats and deserved atleast a draw'

Steve's a effing nutjob if he thinks he deserved a draw against McCallum - just watched that fight again and McCallum made him look amateurish

All three judges scored the first four rounds for McCallum and the fifth as a 10-8 for McCallum with no knockdown, all three scored the sixth for Collins (his best lunging round/rest round for McCallum) and that was it (some of the rest 10/10 - varying each judge). To me though that was being generous, in my eyes Steve lost every round 10-9 with the sound (drunken Irish/Boston crowd) off bar the sixth which he scraped even, his work was just so sloppy compared to McCallum's all over, you could see such a gulf
that fight is not remotely close is it. :lol:

i've still gotta get round to watching his fight with kalambay. i'll score it to while i'm at it.

Posted: 29 May 2007, 15:29
by 1southpaw
lurkyshaka wrote:Collins ought to shut his mouth.

He had the chance to fight Calzaghe years ago but declined the fight and retired. Funny how he gets brave years later when he knows there is no chance he'll ever have to share a ring with Calzaghe. Calzaghe would have spanked Collins back then and he'd have spanked the prime Collins aswell.
i know steve collins from the time he was training at the matchroom and at the time all he wanted was to fight the biggest names for the biggest money and retire i asked him one day a few years later why he didn,t fight calazghe and he explained it simpley and said at the time he was offered £150.000 to fight calzaghe wich would be a risky fight but would get £6.000000 to fight roy jones all he said was you cant retire on £150.000 can you with a smile so to me it was not because he was sceared (because you cant say that about any fighter) but it was his way to go out on top even now joe is not a ticket seller it.s only the under card that sells out the place as soon as he gets beat he,ll be finished when he boxed mark delaney at brentwood delaney sold 2000 tickets his self and calazghe sold 70 and he was the champion to me that says it all and thats why he hasant box that many times in wales