Posted: 27 May 2007, 13:49
PS The general threat and his comments are s****, not the ones above 
Did the black outs not happen when he was attempting to make his comeback several years later?Tsukiyomi wrote:I thought It was because of blacking out In sparring that he declined to fight Joe not motivational problems?
If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.
It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.
As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.Coco wrote:If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.
It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.
Maybe it was more to do with the fact the risk/reward ratio was not big enough.TerribleTerry wrote:As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.Coco wrote:If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is all about timing and by the point in his career that the Calzaghe fight was mooted/on the cards Collins no longer had the motivation or ambition to take on a young, fast rising but unproven entity such as JC.
It may well have saved him from a king sized beating but to say that he ran from JC or any other such idea is eroneous.
That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.
You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.
He means Calzaghe didn't mean a lot in BRITAIN until last yearjangeorg wrote:He's right though.
Why did Calzaghe wait till he was a 100 years old to start calling out the big names and fight on US Tv?
The light punching one with 43 stoppages in 53 wins? Craig Cummings was his name, still weighed more than Bobby Gunn's ideal fighting weightboxingchat wrote:What was the name of that light punching blown up light-Middleweight Aussie that put SC over in his last fight?
That sounds about right to me..Coco wrote:Maybe it was more to do with the fact the risk/reward ratio was not big enough.TerribleTerry wrote:As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.Coco wrote: If that is the case why did he pull out of the fight, at short notice and retire?
That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.
You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.
He had done the hard work from his U.S apprentiship and was an established champion after beating the Eubank and the shell of Benn.
But he knew he was on the wane after the Cummings fight and had timed his Eubank and Benn fights well
The prospect of being whipped by the new kid in town without a retirement payday on the line, was not tempting.
TerribleTerry wrote:That sounds about right to me..Coco wrote:Maybe it was more to do with the fact the risk/reward ratio was not big enough.TerribleTerry wrote: As I understand he started the training process and found his desire to put in the hard graft - against an umproven relative unknown foe was no longer there.
That is what I gleaned at the time of his announcement and what I belive to be true today.
You dont move halfway across the world to establish your career, fight the likes of McCallum, Thompson et al in the States and then suddenly get scared at the prospect of fighting a fast handed welshman... At least that's how I always saw it.
He had done the hard work from his U.S apprentiship and was an established champion after beating the Eubank and the shell of Benn.
But he knew he was on the wane after the Cummings fight and had timed his Eubank and Benn fights well
The prospect of being whipped by the new kid in town without a retirement payday on the line, was not tempting.
People accusing Collins of running scared are being disrespectful in my eyes - he was a real hard man and warrior in the ring - that, at least, should be undeniable.
Although not serious enought to end your life, ‘Conkers’ can be dangerous. I remember when I was in year six (about 1996) and I had one of my fingers broken by a conker that had been tampered with. It damaged my knuckle too. Someone had done the old pollyfiller job on it.TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is a tough, dangerous sport – its not like tennis or conkers…
TerribleTerry wrote:Boxing is a tough, dangerous sport – its not like tennis or conkers… If his heart wasn’t in it anymore then I don’t blame him one bit for retiring suddenly.
Collins proved himself time and again where it matters – in the ring. He had a very good career and I would like to see more fighters get out once the competitive fire has left them, instead of staying on too long, taking too many punches…
ha ha what a liar.STP wrote:“I thoroughly outboxed Chris at Millstreet and lost two or three rounds. Even when he knocked me down, I had a huge grin on my face before I even hit the deck and was looking over at Freddie King laughing.
I wonder if he was laughing when Howard Eastman sparked him in sparring??....hitman_hatton1 wrote:ha ha what a liar.STP wrote:“I thoroughly outboxed Chris at Millstreet and lost two or three rounds. Even when he knocked me down, I had a huge grin on my face before I even hit the deck and was looking over at Freddie King laughing.![]()
that knockdown punch definitely hurt him.
calzaghe did a better job on chris than both of the collins fights.
that fight is not remotely close is it.STP wrote:'I was a 16-fight kid going in against one of the all-time greats and deserved atleast a draw'
Steve's a effing nutjob if he thinks he deserved a draw against McCallum - just watched that fight again and McCallum made him look amateurish
All three judges scored the first four rounds for McCallum and the fifth as a 10-8 for McCallum with no knockdown, all three scored the sixth for Collins (his best lunging round/rest round for McCallum) and that was it (some of the rest 10/10 - varying each judge). To me though that was being generous, in my eyes Steve lost every round 10-9 with the sound (drunken Irish/Boston crowd) off bar the sixth which he scraped even, his work was just so sloppy compared to McCallum's all over, you could see such a gulf
i know steve collins from the time he was training at the matchroom and at the time all he wanted was to fight the biggest names for the biggest money and retire i asked him one day a few years later why he didn,t fight calazghe and he explained it simpley and said at the time he was offered £150.000 to fight calzaghe wich would be a risky fight but would get £6.000000 to fight roy jones all he said was you cant retire on £150.000 can you with a smile so to me it was not because he was sceared (because you cant say that about any fighter) but it was his way to go out on top even now joe is not a ticket seller it.s only the under card that sells out the place as soon as he gets beat he,ll be finished when he boxed mark delaney at brentwood delaney sold 2000 tickets his self and calazghe sold 70 and he was the champion to me that says it all and thats why he hasant box that many times in waleslurkyshaka wrote:Collins ought to shut his mouth.
He had the chance to fight Calzaghe years ago but declined the fight and retired. Funny how he gets brave years later when he knows there is no chance he'll ever have to share a ring with Calzaghe. Calzaghe would have spanked Collins back then and he'd have spanked the prime Collins aswell.