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Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 12:10
by Boxingmad
Shame really, as Anthony is a lovely fella, and Spencer too. However he has of late started to lose the cheeky smile & the happy-go-lucky way about him which makes him so approachable. Spencer too.
Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 12:49
by KO Artist
Shirow wrote:SRCJJ wrote:
This individual has almost been banned from the gym for preaching and trying to convert vulnerable youngsters.
Small has taken to wearing full muslim robes and headgear and has been heard to express some very intolerant beliefs as well as going to some very questionable 'meetings'.
He is also a total bully in the gym, bashing the sh1t out of guys who've not even had an amateur fight.
Fearon is not a convert as far as I know, he is more doing it to get close to Small and Williams.
Which gym was it that almost banned him? I did't know he trained anyway regularly than Cityboxer which isn't open to youngsters vunerable or otherwise. Also he has never bashed any of the guys he's sparred with. That would never be allowed. Two of the best boxers in the gym did try to turn the heat up on him in sparring and he wobbled them with single shots and didn't follow up. That's the closest i can think to what you're referring to.
Anyway about the ringwalk music. Since when does it have to have something to do with boxing? Was the boxing connection with Pryce's music? If this is the case Hatton is totally confused.
I agree.Ive known Anthony a long time. He is a nice fella.
Maybe he saw more discilpine in the muslim way that the way he was living?
All I know is he does not take liberties in the gym and he has talent, but it needs nurturing.
he has a good jab, he needs to use it more, and he needs to stay off the ropes
Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 13:06
by Kilburn
SRCJJ wrote:Small is not the sharpest tool in the box and he has been influenced by a fanatical convert who in turn converted him with one sided propaganda and pamphlets.
This individual has almost been banned from the gym for preaching and trying to convert vulnerable youngsters.
Small has taken to wearing full muslim robes and headgear and has been heard to express some very intolerant beliefs as well as going to some very questionable 'meetings'.
He is also a total bully in the gym, bashing the sh1t out of guys who've not even had an amateur fight.
Fearon is not a convert as far as I know, he is more doing it to get close to Small and Williams.
If you've got something to say mate you don't have to create a new username to say it...
Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 14:22
by SRCJJ
KO Artist wrote:Shirow wrote:SRCJJ wrote:
This individual has almost been banned from the gym for preaching and trying to convert vulnerable youngsters.
Small has taken to wearing full muslim robes and headgear and has been heard to express some very intolerant beliefs as well as going to some very questionable 'meetings'.
He is also a total bully in the gym, bashing the sh1t out of guys who've not even had an amateur fight.
Fearon is not a convert as far as I know, he is more doing it to get close to Small and Williams.
Which gym was it that almost banned him? I did't know he trained anyway regularly than Cityboxer which isn't open to youngsters vunerable or otherwise.
Also he has never bashed any of the guys he's sparred with. That would never be allowed. Two of the best boxers in the gym did try to turn the heat up on him in sparring and he wobbled them with single shots and didn't follow up. That's the closest i can think to what you're referring to.
Anyway about the ringwalk music. Since when does it have to have something to do with boxing? Was the boxing connection with Pryce's music? If this is the case Hatton is totally confused.
I agree.Ive known
Anthony a long time. He is a nice fella.
Maybe he saw more discilpine in the muslim way that the way he was living?
All I know is
he does not take liberties in the gym and he has talent, but it needs nurturing.
he has a good jab, he needs to use it more, and he needs to stay off the ropes
I'm not talking about cityboxer - talking bout a proper boxing gym - he's a known liberty taker in sparring. Anyone can tell you this.
But generally he is a decent guy - until he started to get into his muslim thing and has taken on some odd intolerant and rather extremist views.
Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 15:02
by chris s
Herad he can be a wrong 'un in sparring.
I was told he was almost fight fit recently and sparred wayne Alexander who hadn't been near a ring for ages and leathered him.
There weren't too many people sorry to see him get done last night.
A bully who started feeling sorry for himself when he got hit in the 6th round
Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 15:29
by Shirow
Well it's hard to comment about nameless gyms & information from nameless people but i was there when Anthony was sparring Wayne and that didn't happen.
Anthony was dancing around making Wayne miss & look a bit silly and Wayne was loading up single shots to try and level things up Wayne landed one big hook which was much harder than the many shots he took.
To my eye Anthony only seemed to feel sorry for himself when the ref stopped it and not when he was getting thumped by Pryce.
Anyway, enough. I'll leave you to it
Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 15:50
by SticknMove
I don’t want to appear to be someone stirring up shit.
Small’s decision to play whatever in his ring entrance is up to him. He’s a grown up FFS. It’s apparent from what I have seen of him that he’s an attention seeker that’s probably trying to drum up a bit of interest in HIM.
I am sure he is a decent fella, but attempting what he did last night left him looking very stupid. As I said before he looked like a guy who has acquired a religious/political persona that courts controversy just for the sake of it and because it puts HIM in the spotlight. Well that backfired and we are entitled to have a giggle at his expense.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 04:31
by dondada
All of this 'a boxer can come out to whatever music he likes' is irresponsible nonsense.
Look where that can end up.
Billy Bessey came out to Culture Club's 'Do you really want to hurt me?' for goodness sakes!
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 05:39
by oliverfennell
I've got no problem with a person's beliefs, nor if he wants to project them.
However on a purely superficial level, I was really looking forward to Small's usual James Brown entrance. It always fires the crowd up but, regardless of your opinion of the music he did use, it wasn't at all exciting - it just fell flat. Certainly was out of place with the costume.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 06:33
by steve689
Maybe Small is looking to become a pariah like Anthony Mundine? His music and the way he came in clearly indicates Small's intentions to make a political/religious statement.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 06:40
by chris s
Shirow wrote:Well it's hard to comment about nameless gyms & information from nameless people but i was there when Anthony was sparring Wayne and that didn't happen.
Anthony was dancing around making Wayne miss & look a bit silly and Wayne was loading up single shots to try and level things up Wayne landed one big hook which was much harder than the many shots he took.
To my eye Anthony only seemed to feel sorry for himself when the ref stopped it and not when he was getting thumped by Pryce.
Anyway, enough. I'll leave you to it
Fair enough mate, take your word for it if you were there. Just a story i heard
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 06:48
by Wales
So if a fighter was a white supremasist people on here would condone him for coming to the ring with anti black music playing?
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 06:55
by oliverfennell
Unless somebody here can translate Arabic or knows the piece in question, I think it's a pretty irresponsible/ignorant assumption to make that just because it was Muslim music, it was anti-white music.
If it WAS, then fair enough, but I very much doubt that.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 07:20
by Southpaw Stylist
Wales wrote:So if a fighter was a white supremasist people on here would condone him for coming to the ring with anti black music playing?
Muslim prayers are not anti any race. To suggest so, is imbecilic.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:01
by Wales
Sorry, but when did I say Smalls music was anti white? I was responding to the "a boxer can come to the ring playing whatever he wants" comment. At no point did I say the music small had was anti white. To make THAT assumption is imbecilic.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:03
by Dirk Kelly
oliverfennell wrote:Unless somebody here can translate Arabic or knows the piece in question, I think it's a pretty irresponsible/ignorant assumption to make that just because it was Muslim music, it was anti-white music.
If it WAS, then fair enough, but I very much doubt that.
I think Oliver really sums it up, until we know what the music was it is pointless debating it.
The only thing I can add is Small has the right to play whatever he chooses but he's got to have a thought to the crowd, he came on late and by that time there was the boozed up morons pissed out of their heads taking offense to it, had it been prime time it may have stirred the crowd up and with a multi-racial crowd it may have resulted in a few disagreements.
Did anyone hear the moron shouting abuse at Skelton then screaming at Joe C to knock the German C_unt Chrysler out in his next fight. Priceless!
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:12
by koomey
I'm not really bothered about the music debate, however Small only had himself to blame for the stoppage as he was feigning a bit too much. Maybe he was hurt more than before - but maybe a case of the boy who cried wolf - the ref had seen enough.
I must say thought that I've met Anthony a few times now and he's a really genuine guy, loads of time for everyone and a bit of a joker. Spencer seems okay too!
Regards.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:43
by E
dopey wrote:oliverfennell wrote:Unless somebody here can translate Arabic or knows the piece in question, I think it's a pretty irresponsible/ignorant assumption to make that just because it was Muslim music, it was anti-white music.
If it WAS, then fair enough, but I very much doubt that.
I think Oliver really sums it up, until we know what the music was it is pointless debating it.
The only thing I can add is Small has the right to play whatever he chooses but he's got to have a thought to the crowd, he came on late and by that time there was the boozed up morons pissed out of their heads taking offense to it, had it been prime time it may have stirred the crowd up and with a multi-racial crowd it may have resulted in a few disagreements.
Did anyone hear the moron shouting abuse at Skelton then screaming at Joe C to knock the German C_unt Chrysler out in his next fight. Priceless!
YEs does anyone here understand arabic? I guess that would be the only way. One thing though is that in thsi political climate it may not have been the smartest PR move....
Didn't catch that drunkard yelling - was this caught on TV? would be funny to check my Sky +..........
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:47
by Wales
everyone has the right to do what they want, but there at times when you need to think of the consequences. It'd only take a small minority to kick off because of it, and the whole place could have gone off. I wouldnt walk into a Sunderland pub on match day singing Newcastle songs.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:51
by oliverfennell
Perhaps Small chose it in an attempt to win some new fans among the Muslim contingent who were there for the Amir fight.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 08:57
by s9s
I've viewd some footage of Islamic radicals blowing up/shooting/beheading ppl of the likes of the US/UK and Russian armed forces as well as Iraqi police, and that music of Small's did sound very familiar , the sort of music they put on the footage.
I'm a member of a website which promote athesism, (though I'm not, its good for discussion) and occasionly ppl post links to websites or news stories regarding religous violance hence the reason for me seeing this sort of stuff.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 09:20
by Southpaw Stylist
Wales wrote:Sorry, but when did I say Smalls music was anti white? I was responding to the "a boxer can come to the ring playing whatever he wants" comment. At no point did I say the music small had was anti white. To make THAT assumption is imbecilic.
Sorry, I wasn't actually referring to you. I just meant the assumption in the first place.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 09:22
by KO Artist
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:All of this 'a boxer can come out to whatever music he likes' is irresponsible nonsense.
Look where that can end up.
Billy Bessey came out to Culture Club's 'Do you really want to hurt me?' for goodness sakes!
I wouldnt allow any music at all.
Just get the boxers in the fcuking ring and get on with it.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 11:21
by oliverfennell
Nobody complains when Evander Holyfield comes out to Christian music.
Yes, I know America is officially a Christian country, but my point is people have a knee-jerk reaction to anything Muslim. If somebody can use Christian music as his ring entrance, why can't another use Muslim music, especially in an extremely multicultural city such as London.
Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 11:48
by PompeyScot
oliverfennell wrote:Nobody complains when Evander Holyfield comes out to Christian music.
Yes, I know America is officially a Christian country, but my point is people have a knee-jerk reaction to anything Muslim. If somebody can use Christian music as his ring entrance, why can't another use Muslim music, especially in an extremely multicultural city such as London.
Do you think that Rangers should walk out to something like 'The Sash' during an Old Firm game?
Of course not, even though there's nothing stopping them. In the end, common sense and tact tells you that it's not really a sensible thing to do and, with the current climate, Small's choice really was ill judged at best.