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Twisted Transistor wrote:Calzaghe doesn't get your juices following

The Mkrtchian, Salem, Ashira, Bika and Manfredo fights were a complete joke, were they not.?

Crew2 wrote:

Twisted Transistor wrote:Calzaghe doesn't get your juices following

The Mkrtchian, Salem, Ashira, Bika and Manfredo fights were a complete joke, were they not.?

The Bika fight was a good display by Joe against a very tough customer.

It was far from a joke.

boxingchat wrote:Calzaghe has fought better quality oposition than Eubank ever did

Benn, Watson, Thornton, Holmes, Rocchigiani > Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Brewer, Lacy


Dont make me laugh, mate

Logan, Corti > Wilson, Delaney

Calzaghe > Kessler ( )

Crew2 wrote:

boxingchat wrote:Calzaghe has fought better quality oposition than Eubank ever did

Benn, Watson, Thornton, Holmes, Rocchigiani > Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Brewer, Lacy


Dont make me laugh, mate

Thornton and Holmes are no big deal though. Also, Joe did get stateside recognition as champion, which Eubank didn't. Good job, because Calzaghe isn't the British star that Eubank was (though his profile has admittedly boosted after Lacy and Manfredo...)

Crew2 wrote:Thornton and Holmes are no big deal though.

They are to James Toney, He said last year "Chris Eubank fought two good fighters in his career, Tony Thornton and Lindell Holmes. Joe Calzaghe hasn't fought one"

Oh, James Toney, such a respected opinion. And if he's suggesting that Tony 'The Punching Postman' Thornton and an ANCIENT Lindell 'Don't call me Larry' Holmes are better fighters than Benn and Watson then the guy is mentally disturbed.

Thornton wasn't a bad fighter, tipped for the top in the mid-80s, cut Steve Collins to bits (Steve almost lost his ear!) and probably deserved the decision there, beat Sosa who was tipped for the top, but very methodical, one-dimensional, rush in and look to land the right hand style.

Lindell Holmes was above average, parried well and let the counters off fast, but as static as they come - his movement was awful and I remember Bomber Graham just mesmorised him! I know Holmes was trained by Bill Miller in the 80's - Toney's trainer, and that Toney and Holmes sparred together for their Barkley and Eubank fights respectiv, so Toney is obviously going to be biased towards him. Also, Toney fought Thornton as well remember so he's obviously going to be biased towards him as well.

Crew2 wrote:

Twisted Transistor wrote:Calzaghe doesn't get your juices following

The Mkrtchian, Salem, Ashira, Bika and Manfredo fights were a complete joke, were they not.?

And doesn't nearly every world class fight have bad or joke fights?

Bika wasn't a bad one, just Sakio surviving and being dirty.

At least he's fighting Kessler unile Hatton who's fight to fight Mayweather.

Terry D wrote:Hatton is the linear Champion at LW Boxingchat, that still means something. To be honest I don't think there was ever much to avoid in M'Baye, he was a weak title-holder.

So why did he avoid him then?

boxingchat wrote:

Terry D wrote:Hatton is the linear Champion at LW Boxingchat, that still means something. To be honest I don't think there was ever much to avoid in M'Baye, he was a weak title-holder.

So why did he avoid him then?

Probably for the same reason a hotel employee would 'avoid' a job in the Novotel, Manchester to work in The Ritz.

Especially when one has previously fallen out with the boss of the Novotel, Manchester.

dopey wrote:

Crew2 wrote:

Calzaghe for example hasnt fought a single soul since Eubank and Eubank admits he'd have taken Joe if he was in shape, now his promoter has shyed away from the top Americans like Hopkins, Taylor, Wright etc and got Calzaghe yet another average European who nobody knows or cares about. This has been going on for 10 years.! How much longer ??

How can you say that? Lacy was the test, he was coming over a bit like McCellen was suppposed to with Benn to sort Joe out and Joe handed out a sublime beating over 12 rounds, one of the best perfomances ever in a British ring.

Has Joe ducked them? These top Americans never fought Joe, Nigel, Chris or Steve and I for one can't believe all those fighters ducked them, Nigel went to the US and fought Barkley ffs.

For the record what proper titles does Haye and Froch hold that Arthur et al have in the past?

Don't forget Warren delivered Hatton the fight of his life at excatly the right time.

Warren isn't blameless for a lot of things said about him but he has the best fighters and now is putting on some quality cards, long may it continue.

I wonder how long before Froch and maybe Haye come over the SN camp.

he's only put on two good shows lately what about all the crap he's put on

Yeah, this is idiocy to say Hatton was ducking M'baye. M'baye never even beat Kotelnik fairly over two fights, lost to Harris, then got humiliated by Rees.

BC's not really much help is he?

Terry D wrote:Ps What price can you get me for x 2 Calzaghe-Kessler tickets? As close to the ring as possible.

pm me

Terry D wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Yeah, this is idiocy to say Hatton was ducking M'baye. M'baye never even beat Kotelnik fairly over two fights, lost to Harris, then got humiliated by Rees.

To be fair BC may come on and use the Witter serum. M'Baye is training local so why did Hatton not clean-up his own backyard.

To be equally fair I will ask why Khan went straight to Commonwealth level instead of going for the British title?

I will then expect a one-sentence reply. Internet, idiots, knowledge, insider, MALENE!

Hatton vacated the WBA title rather than fight M'Baye and vacated the IBF title rather than fight Rabbah. These are facts that cannot be disputed. He has not fought Witter becasue quite simply, whatever he say's, the thought makes him shivver. Personally, for me he beats Witter and should have taken him long ago when the odds were more heavily stacked in his favour. Now with him wearing out and Witter still fresh it may be more difficult.

As for Khan, he's too young to fight for the British title. You have to be 21.

And it's Myleene

Thing is, Rabah ended up losing to Ndou, who made for a poor 'champion', Witter nearly lost to Lynes before he got the title and I'm thinking could lose to someone below his station as well, Mbaye is frankly a joke after the Rees fight.

They all won vacant belts. Big deal.

Note to self....Must get up earlier!

Crew2 wrote:We all know that the big fighters in Britain are Hatton, Haye, Witter and Froch. They hold the proper titles and fight the proper fighters

What about Sports Network fighters though like Khan, Matt Skelton, Joe Calzaghe, Gavin Rees etc? These fighers dont get my juices flowing

Calzaghe for example hasnt fought a single soul since Eubank and Eubank admits he'd have taken Joe if he was in shape, now his promoter has shyed away from the top Americans like Hopkins, Taylor, Wright etc and got Calzaghe yet another average European who nobody knows or cares about. This has been going on for 10 years.! How much longer ??

I dont think anybody outside of Wales gives a flying damn about Rees, Calzaghe etc. I know its hard to sell Calzaghe because of his boring personality, but atleast fight somebody some day, will you? If he loses his next bout, he and his promoter are exposed as frauds. For the good of British boxing, Lets hope he loses

These kind of people have ruined boxing in Britain. The Benn, Eubank days seem a loong time ago unfortunately, but atleast we have hope in Ricky Hatton, and David Haye and Carl Froch -- these 3 can bring back the Benn, Eubank glory days imo

Not too much of what you have posted makes a lot of sense to me - Kessler an average European!!! no way - Its a tough legitimate fight between two champions - You dont have to fight a yank to prove you are the best, and a win over Kessler means Joe is genuinely number 1 - He can then go for a yank or have a yank challenge him - OK Joe doesnt have the personality and charisma of Ricky Hatton but who else does - I reckon Ricky could do standup and make a living - I think you are wrong about people outside of Wales not caring a toss about Calzaghe and Rees - Joe has a lot of fans in England and Rees will sell tickets after his last performance - Hatton is Britains most popular boxer and Haye has a huge following also - Have to agree with you, but most would anyway, about Eubank and Benn being the last glory days of boxing - That could happen again if Joe was to fight Froch, we need another great domestic dust up - Maybe it wouldnt make as much as a fight against Hopkins but it would be a far better fight for the fans and a great TV spectacular.

Kessler's a brilliant European. He's strong, well rounded, has the best jab around and is a solid ring general. For some reason ppl only focus on the fact that he doesn't fight inside or that he's mechanical. Yet similar ppl try and look as hard as they can to find something good in J Taylor, or give lazy praise to fighters like Winky (who, incidentally, has a light, rather than heavy, 'great' jab, is mechanical, and has heavy legs...).

From the day he trounced Manny Siaca he's been one to watch. He's done everything right, apart from struggling with Mundine, and that was away from home vs a very fast, talented guy who wanted to defend, then fight 45 secs a round.

We should be pleased with the super middle class. Like him or not, Joe has some of the fastest hands around, not to mention incredible stamina for a 14 year 168-pounder! Kessler is a class act and a very reliable fighter with a very strong all round game. Ottke he is not! Look how he beat Andrade, then look at how a "Hall of Fame America" like Tarver is pissing and gassing under pressure (Glen Johnson fights will do). Taylor & Pavlik will find their best form at 168 - 2 Americans who can be exciting with the right opponent. The Canadians are coming - if Bute can't hack it, Pascal can IMO, and if Pascal can't, it's because a healthy Ikeke beats him this Fri. Froch and Inkin are on the cusp of title shots, and both can trouble anyone with their styles (unorthodox and well schooled respectively.) I've probably missed some out because the division is so good. Oh, and put Lacy or Andrade in with the right opponents, like Miranda and Pavlik and you've got a bastard FOTY candidate...