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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:

Chambers2 wrote: Not if they'd seen both fights they couldn't. Harris was obviously out of condition and fought a poor fight against Maussa.

I agree, Harris looked cack against Maussa but it's still a valid point.

Excuses are ten a penny for fighters losing.
Facts state the great Carlos Maussa, who was dispatched conclusively by both Hatton and Cotto, knocked out Junior Witters greatest conquest, in less time

Junior should respecxt that Hatton has bigger things on his plate right now, and concentrate on building on this fine win.

Vince Phillips stopped Tyszu faster than Hatton, which is his greatest win and that version of Tyszu was nearer his prime and got properly ko'd

Agreed that Witter needs to move on because he won't get Hatton for at least 12 months anyway and there are good fights out there for him

Autobarn wrote:Hatton would have problems through 12 rds vs Witter. I think Witter does fight up to the opponent. IMO Witter's development suffered from being avoided by the type of ppl you gradually build your career up with. His whole EBU reign was like 1 big void.

Whereas Hatton, in his WBU reign, was able to gradually improve and deal with different styles.

Now Witter has shown he can put it together. It won't just be a case of Hatton overcoming problems for 4 rds and dominating the rest. Ricky had hell with Collazo and Magee. Witter's harder to hit and actually has footwork, unlike the stationary Collazo and Magee.

Beliece me, Ricky would take horrible shots coming in because he can't see 'em coming when they come from unorthodox angles.

Likewise, Witter would struggle with Hatton's pace but I think he's shown he has an extra level and that in a dangerous situation he will take it to another level.

It'd be a great fight. But we shouldn't complain about it never happening before. What if 1 of them had got ruined? We wouldn't have then both as world champs now, would we?

If Ricky beats Floyd, and I know he can, he can do whatever he wants. But he can't fight those big welters because it would be horrendous matchmaking from his POV. I hope he beats Floyd but that all his big fight options dry out, leaving him basically at 140 to clear things up.

Autobarn wrote:Hatton would have problems through 12 rds vs Witter. I think Witter does fight up to the opponent. IMO Witter's development suffered from being avoided by the type of ppl you gradually build your career up with. His whole EBU reign was like 1 big void.

Whereas Hatton, in his WBU reign, was able to gradually improve and deal with different styles.

Now Witter has shown he can put it together. It won't just be a case of Hatton overcoming problems for 4 rds and dominating the rest. Ricky had hell with Collazo and Magee. Witter's harder to hit and actually has footwork, unlike the stationary Collazo and Magee.

Beliece me, Ricky would take horrible shots coming in because he can't see 'em coming when they come from unorthodox angles.

Likewise, Witter would struggle with Hatton's pace but I think he's shown he has an extra level and that in a dangerous situation he will take it to another level.

It'd be a great fight. But we shouldn't complain about it never happening before. What if 1 of them had got ruined? We wouldn't have then both as world champs now, would we?

If Ricky beats Floyd, and I know he can, he can do whatever he wants. But he can't fight those big welters because it would be horrendous matchmaking from his POV. I hope he beats Floyd but that all his big fight options dry out, leaving him basically at 140 to clear things up.

yiddo14 wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

yiddo14 wrote: I agree, Harris looked cack against Maussa but it's still a valid point.

Excuses are ten a penny for fighters losing.
Facts state the great Carlos Maussa, who was dispatched conclusively by both Hatton and Cotto, knocked out Junior Witters greatest conquest, in less time

Junior should respecxt that Hatton has bigger things on his plate right now, and concentrate on building on this fine win.

Vince Phillips stopped Tyszu faster than Hatton, which is his greatest win and that version of Tyszu was nearer his prime and got properly ko'd

Agreed that Witter needs to move on because he won't get Hatton for at least 12 months anyway and there are good fights out there for him

I have heard plenty of people use the Phillips/Tszyu fight as a valid way to try and devalue Hattons win.
Difference being, any genuine boxing fan can see Kostya was a truly great fighter, a top 5 p4p when Hatton beat him.
Harris can never compare to Tszyu, not even an old Tszyu.

yiddo14 wrote: If Ricky can pull it off against Floyd, expect Hatton to get the mother of all paydays against the golden boy.

DavidPayne wrote:He'll never fight Witter.

He could go from a Mayweather defeat, to a rematch, to a DLH match, to a Cotto match, back down for a Casamoyor or Diaz. He could fight Judah, Malinaggi or Torres.

The latter three all less risk for more or equivalent reward.

Razor wrote:

stujones wrote:Said this in another post but I feel the need to repeat it.

Hatton is fighting the #1 P4P fighter, at a weight in which he is not confortable it and the favourite is the main champion of the world in, in the fighters home town.... and he is scared of Witter?

I'm not intending to disrespect Witter, but come on... what the feck more can Hatton prove... He is giving the P4P #1 fighter all the advantages and people are still being critical, jesus.

If Hatton wins this fight its the single greatest achievement in British boxing. Even Randy Turpin had home advantage vs SRR.

If Hatton ducked Mayweather and fought say Ricardo Torres, Paulie Malginaggi or even Kermit Cintron - people would go absolutely ballistic... and righfully so. However, really thats all Witter still is.. just he happens to come from the UK. As I said before, say Hatton drops his fight vs Mayweather - fights Witter instead. Then what, is it Mayweather or Gavin Rees that will satisfy the British public more? After all Gavin Rees is a world class Brit who has called out Ricky.

That is one thing that annoys me with fickle boxing fans (I am as fickle as anyone I know) is when people moan that a fighter is scared of someone when they have signed to fight someone more renowned and generally considered more dangerous. Like the criticms Floyd Maweather got for "Ducking" Antonio "Beaten by Daniel Santos, lucky vs Joshua Clottey" Margarito and fighting DLH with Oscar having all the major advantages (even promoting the show!). Similarly in some quarters amazingly people said Roy Jones chose John Ruiz cause he was scared of Michaelswecki... a notion that doesn't make sense IMO.

Spot on, also i used to value DG.'s opinion but the comments in this thread are idiotic to say the least

Terry D wrote: I don't want to get into the whole Hatton-Witter thing but if Hatton is avoiding Witter because he is scared of Junior and fighting Mayweather instead then Hatton cannot be scared about losing to Mayweather. .

Terry D wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Terry D wrote: I don't want to get into the whole Hatton-Witter thing but if Hatton is avoiding Witter because he is scared of Junior and fighting Mayweather instead then Hatton cannot be scared about losing to Mayweather. .

No, because losing to P4P no1 and not losing his linear title at 140 doesn't hurt Hatton at all. Losing to someone below him that he dislikes/hates would hurt ALLOT more.

I'm semi-suprised they didnt go after Witter when he looked poor against Kotelnik/Lynes/Corley and was WBC Champ

At that point would HBO have bankrolled a Witter fight? Plus the long-term aim, as Graham stated, and was roundly ridiculed for, was to get a fight with Mayweather. The consensus best fighter in the world. Why drop down to Witter's level at that point?

(Not a dig at Witter but in many terms he was seemingly leagues down at that point)

Terry D wrote:

DG. wrote:

Razor wrote: Spot on, also i used to value DG.'s opinion but the comments in this thread are idiotic to say the least

Come on Razor, I am just messing about!



BUT, Hatton never wants to fight Witter, reason is - he thinks he will lose.

Witter is too unpredictable stylewise and has way too much power in his punches that catch you unawares.

I don't want to get into the whole Hatton-Witter thing but if Hatton is avoiding Witter because he is scared of Junior and fighting Mayweather instead then Hatton cannot be scared about losing to Mayweather.

I worry for Hatton if this is the case. Is he is going into the Mayweather fight thinking Witter is the better fighter of the two and he is taking the easy route against the US-based middling contender Mayweather. Hatton might be in shock as Mayweather is actually rather good and a far bigger fight then any other around the divisions.

Witter looked good the other night but he is Gordon Browning it right now in regards to a fight with Hatton. If things go tits-up Witter will get the job.

yiddo14 wrote:

But I just can't see Hatton giving Witter that much thought right now for two reasons...
1.He does'nt want to give Witter the payday

DG. wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:

But I just can't see Hatton giving Witter that much thought right now for two reasons...
1.He does'nt want to give Witter the payday

This is why I dislike The MAN OF THE PEOPLE ( Hatton)

You do not like someone so you do not fight them?
What a facking arse. It is a fight ffs!

So Haton would deny Witter the opportunity to make life beter for him and his family?

The right to maybe buy those close to him a house? Mabye allow members of his family tro give up ther jobs?

Great man is that Ricky Hatton.



YOU DO NOT LIKE WITTER? GET HIM IN THE RING AND FIGHT!

Terry D wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Terry D wrote: At that point would HBO have bankrolled a Witter fight? Plus the long-term aim, as Graham stated, and was roundly ridiculed for, was to get a fight with Mayweather. The consensus best fighter in the world. Why drop down to Witter's level at that point?

(Not a dig at Witter but in many terms he was seemingly leagues down at that point)

Lest not pretend this is the first time Hatton has been offered a Mayweather fight. It was offered in 2004 instead of Mayweathers Corley fight. It was offered after Tyszu several times before Mayweather gave up and went after Mitchell/Judah. It was offered when Judah lost and it may have been offered instead of a Baldomir fight. Ray Hatton himself said there had been 3-5 offersto face Mayweather

Yes Hatton should certainly take a fight with Mayweather instead of Witter - but theres been over 20 opponents in the 7 years the fights been on the table that could have made way for Witter.

If HBO would allow Collazo/Urango/Maussa as opponents they'd surely have allowed Witter - that is debatable but I don't see what they bring over what Witter brings

From what I understand the previous offers were not 100% concrete and Floyd had set his sights on WW very soon after becoming a LWW. Mayweather did not leave to fight Mitchell in a fit of pique, wasn't a fight with Judah on the build then. The Judah fight was a desired target as Zab is very little risk and decent reward. Judah even messed-up his warm-up.

The other name floated is often Stewart but that fight had a purpose as mentioned.

Maussa had a title, Witter did not at that time and in many ways was about as useful as a pair of tits on a boar.

Collazo, again going on what I understand about the situation, was a late notice fight with the ad hoc intention of testing the WW waters, waters Floyd was operating in.

Urango was a fight that was put together with TV and impressing the USA in mind.

Urango was a middling fighter but in his fights prior to that one he was actually fun to watch. Castillo was set so it was a case of getting a title from Urango who is fun to watch or negotiating with Witter who was a nightmare, for some, to watch and might over inflate his value. Witter's prior US TV exposure saw the fans booing him. Urango may have brought ambivalence but Witter, again at that time and to a specific audience, brought a degree of revulsion.

In many interviews Billy Graham fielded Witter questions and stated that Witter was low on the list of priorities with Mayweather being high on them. No one thought the Mayweather talk was serious and ridculed him, now the fight is sealed. So the talk was borne out in this case but still people are not happy.

Witter looked good the other night but for many who do not understand the true techniques of boxing, like me, Witter looked really poor for over fifty rounds of boxing prior to that. Now he has looked good for seven rounds so he is well capable of getting a buzz going off his own back but reading some of the talk post-Harris makes me recall that quote (a good line in a poor film, must be as I cannot remember the films name, about a single job well done) "Let's not start sucking each others dicks just yet".

Witter is coming across well in the ring itself and looks a more relaxed proposition in interviews (apart from when they are, sorry to say about a man I respect, idiotically hijacked, must be a Sheffield thing) so lets see if he can maintain this.

DG. wrote:

MPG wrote:Lets say Hatton beats Mayweather...!Becomes p4p 1.

Reasons why Hatton could fight Wiiter...

Witter WBC Champion....

The fight would certainly fill most venues in the country so the money would be there.

Hatton dislike for Witter.

Witter calling him out everytime his on the tv saying that his the number 1.

Reason for not figthing Witter...

SCARED!!!



I think Hatton beats Witter but some dont.If he accepted the fight then he would put all the doubters to sleep.

Plus it would be a cracking fight.

The Fat Drunk Manc is scared of WITTER.

Once PBF beats 7 shades out of him, Mr MAN OF THE PEOPLE retiers after only beating an old inacoive KT and a SHOT Castillo..

The he can weight 22st and be a drunk.

Terry D wrote:

DG. wrote:

Terry D wrote: I don't want to get into the whole Hatton-Witter thing but if Hatton is avoiding Witter because he is scared of Junior and fighting Mayweather instead then Hatton cannot be scared about losing to Mayweather.

I worry for Hatton if this is the case. Is he is going into the Mayweather fight thinking Witter is the better fighter of the two and he is taking the easy route against the US-based middling contender Mayweather. Hatton might be in shock as Mayweather is actually rather good and a far bigger fight then any other around the divisions.

Witter looked good the other night but he is Gordon Browning it right now in regards to a fight with Hatton. If things go tits-up Witter will get the job.

One thing to lose against the P4P King for $10M or get battered ( knocked out most likely the way Hatton would lose to Witter as opposed to getting picked apart b PBF) by your main rival in England called Junior Witter for £2M


In other words, he has a ready made excuse when he loses to PBF ( P4P King ) but has no excuse for losing to Witter and if he gets knocked out then people will say he ran from Witter for years because he KNEW he would get knocked out.

PLUS, Witter apears to hit harder than PBF, I ber he hits harder than Collazo also and we all know Collazo almost knocked out Hatton.

Call me a rampant "glass is full" person but maybe the logic is "fight the best fighter in the world and test myself" or "fight one of my two rivals in Britain".

Many a fighter hits harder than Floyd, are they better than him?

Rocky Balboa wrote:

DG. wrote:

MPG wrote:Lets say Hatton beats Mayweather...!Becomes p4p 1.

Reasons why Hatton could fight Wiiter...

Witter WBC Champion....

The fight would certainly fill most venues in the country so the money would be there.

Hatton dislike for Witter.

Witter calling him out everytime his on the tv saying that his the number 1.

Reason for not figthing Witter...

SCARED!!!



I think Hatton beats Witter but some dont.If he accepted the fight then he would put all the doubters to sleep.

Plus it would be a cracking fight.

The Fat Drunk Manc is scared of WITTER.

Once PBF beats 7 shades out of him, Mr MAN OF THE PEOPLE retiers after only beating an old inacoive KT and a SHOT Castillo..

The he can weight 22st and be a drunk.

Take it you are not keen on Hatton then?

I don't think Ricky will retire if he loses to Mayweather, even if he receives a beating, boxing lesson. Ricky would not want to leave the sport in such fashion.

I do think Hatton-Witter is more likely if Ricky loses to Floyd. If he wins, then well, he will be P4P No.1 in the world, no doubt. I'd expect De La Hoya-Hatton nezxt May if Hatton is victorious come Dec 8.

Would be nice for British boxing for Hatton-Witter to happen though! It would be some-what of a grudge fight.

DG. wrote:

Rocky Balboa wrote:

DG. wrote:
The Fat Drunk Manc is scared of WITTER.

Once PBF beats 7 shades out of him, Mr MAN OF THE PEOPLE retiers after only beating an old inacoive KT and a SHOT Castillo..

The he can weight 22st and be a drunk.

Take it you are not keen on Hatton then?

I don't think Ricky will retire if he loses to Mayweather, even if he receives a beating, boxing lesson. Ricky would not want to leave the sport in such fashion.

I do think Hatton-Witter is more likely if Ricky loses to Floyd. If he wins, then well, he will be P4P No.1 in the world, no doubt. I'd expect De La Hoya-Hatton nezxt May if Hatton is victorious come Dec 8.

Would be nice for British boxing for Hatton-Witter to happen though! It would be some-what of a grudge fight.

Hatton talks a lot of the same old bull.

He ran frommWiter for yerars, then saod if he wins a belt he fights him.Witter wins the WBCm Hatton runs.*2

Hatton does not want to give Witter a payday?

Imagine if REAL ADULT fighters thought like that.

No Hagler Vs Hearns
No Hagler Leonard
No Leonard Vs Duran
No Eubank Vs Benn!*3
What about the fans, Wricky?

After PBF thrashes him Witterm will Knock him out, legacy ruined.

Hatton os still,living of the KT result*4, who cares now? - not me!

I hope pbf thrashes him then he can come home and give the fans in the uk a big domestic fight for the WBC belt.

I really believe he would rahter retire than face Witter because he does not think he will win.