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BoxBuzz wrote:

Jaclem wrote:...ali was within his legal rights by refusing to take part in an illegal war...and a draft which excluded the elite and disproportinately sent young black men to die in a part of the world in which we had no business interfering with.


....as for the peace prize....well, one does tend to get serene when one needs help in getting dressed and crossing the street.

This resonates well....

It resonates well with MOVEon.org, George Soros, Daily KOS, the US communist party, Al Sharpton, Eugene Debs, Workers International, Louis Farrakhan, the International Solidarity Movement, Cindy Sheehan, Dennis Kuchnich, Jesse Jackson,

granberry, are you about 4' 3"? Cuz much seems to go over your head.

Anyways I'm just a shade right of center and on the official poltical map I'm situated almost dead center a bit more libertarian than authoritarian and a bit more conservative than liberal. I tend to vote conservative but that particular statement that my far left of center friend made still resonates well for some. I think more attention needs to be paid with what is going on with the currently collected "passing of the hat" known as taxes. Certainly more than the attention currently being paid to how many more boondoggles the government can cook up. So I tend to think the government does it's best work when it is "out of session".

..granberry...re: the list names you mentioned....jesse jackson..move on org...dennis kuchinek..(knew the guy in ohio and still can't spell his name..) etc..etc.......are among those i find myself in agreement with often....but with one difference.....i am a bit to the left of all of them...

..and it's not contradictory that i also agree with a lot of boxbuzzy's political stances....

Jaclem wrote:..granberry...re: the list names you mentioned....jesse jackson..move on org...dennis kuchinek..(knew the guy in ohio and still can't spell his name..) etc..etc.......are among those i find myself in agreement with often....but with one difference.....i am a bit to the left of all of them...

..and it's not contradictory that i also agree with a lot of boxbuzzy's political stances....

Yes,

I can tell you are a lefty, Jaclem.

You don't need to tell me that.

granberry wrote:

Jaclem wrote:..granberry...re: the list names you mentioned....jesse jackson..move on org...dennis kuchinek..(knew the guy in ohio and still can't spell his name..) etc..etc.......are among those i find myself in agreement with often....but with one difference.....i am a bit to the left of all of them...

..and it's not contradictory that i also agree with a lot of boxbuzzy's political stances....

Yes,

I can tell you are a lefty, Jaclem.

You don't need to tell me that.

Tell me granberry, are you one of those angry lil white boys who listens to daytime talk radio shows to find out what your opinion is supposed to be ?

You are huh ?

I tend to lean to the left myself. I find it preferable to those who out CIA agents, solicit male prostitutes, lie to congressional committees ,and cruise for BJs in public airport men’s rooms

Leaning to the left also, or so it seems, allows me to have an nobjective prospective on a person of color, without spewing racism as an invluntary reflex.

Yes,

you low mentality lefties are so 'superior.'

LOL

And you even contaminate a supposed "boxing" site like this with your tired, rote regurgitation of your leftwing "talking points."

You and Barney Frank and Gerry Studds are so 'manly,' that that automatically makes you "experts" on boxing.

Your heroes, like Bill Clinton [who is disbarred in Arkansas and before the US Supreme Court for LYING UNDER OATH to a grand jury] and Ali [who is the "greatest fighter of all time" because his Nation of Islam handlers had him say he was against the Vietnam War] are so 'superior' that they could pull down their pants and take a shit in public and you would crow that that is further proof that they are "the greatest of all time."

Your heroes, such as Jesse "Mr. Hymietown" Jackson, Al "Twana Brawley" Sharpton, Ted "Mary Jo Kopechne" Kennedy, killers like Castro, Mao Tsung, Stalin, Tito, are such fine examples of the best that humanity has to offer.

Thank you, pinworm, for spelling out the fact that sick, biased, low mentality lefties clutching at their media-dictated talking points are the (second hand) salesmen of the drivel that passes for "boxing" knowledge these days.

pinworm wrote:

granberry wrote:

Jaclem wrote:..granberry...re: the list names you mentioned....jesse jackson..move on org...dennis kuchinek..(knew the guy in ohio and still can't spell his name..) etc..etc.......are among those i find myself in agreement with often....but with one difference.....i am a bit to the left of all of them...

..and it's not contradictory that i also agree with a lot of boxbuzzy's political stances....

Yes,

I can tell you are a lefty, Jaclem.

You don't need to tell me that.

Tell me granberry, are you one of those angry lil white boys who listens to daytime talk radio shows to find out what your opinion is supposed to be ?

You are huh ?

I tend to lean to the left myself. I find it preferable to those who out CIA agents, solicit male prostitutes, lie to congressional committees ,and cruise for BJs in public airport men’s rooms

Leaning to the left also, or so it seems, allows me to have an nobjective prospective on a person of color, without spewing racism as an invluntary reflex.

Lets talk boxing please and stop the racism. Calling a guy an angry lil white boy is racist. I would like to get back to boxing and just ignore the granberry dude who just looks to object to others opinions.

..tomkatt...i agree. i was merely respondng to granberry by accepting his criticism if my perceived "leftness" as a compliment,as i proudly wear that label. i was not going to continue beyond that. the sad part is that granberry..at least i think....does know his boxing history. not as well as i do, of course....but he can't get his biases out of the way. ....and i am talking about his bias toward individul fighters....not necessarily a racist one.

Granberry basically exposed himself here for what I knew he was to begin with.

I have no problem with someone feeling that Ali should have gone to Vietnam. I have no problem with someone disliking Ali as a person, or even hating him. But what you can't do is take your personal hatred of that fighter and allow it to cloud your judgment when you are talking about that fighter's career. If you want to tell me Ali was a traitor, fine, but the fact that he was a traitor doesn't change the fact that he was the greatest Heavyweight in boxing history. If Ali was a traitor, it has no bearing on the fact that he beat Doug Jones and Henry Cooper legitimately. If Ali was a Black Muslim racist, it has no bearing on the fact that Sonny Liston and George Foreman lost to him, legitimately, and that they would never beat him.

I don't know if Carlos Monzon is the greatest Middleweight or not, but if he isn't, its not because he killed his wife. And I would say that's a bit more serious than what Ali did, and yet people are far more contemptuous of Ali than they are of Monzon.

What I do know is that none of this has anything to do with boxing. Politics belongs in another thread. If you want to talk about why Ali should have gone to Vietnam, put it in the "Other sports, etc." thread, because it has nothing to do with boxing.

And being an Ali fan has absolutely no bearing on your political beliefs. I would call myself a moderate, and I really don't know how I feel about Ali not going to Vietnam. Being an Ali fan hardly makes me a "leftist." I think some of us should try to be a little bit more mature in our political discussions... problem is this is no place to talk about politics. Take it someplace else.

And granberry... the only one here trying to sell something is you.

Terry D wrote:A fighter gets a noble peace prize. Oxymoron anyone?

Boxing is a sport, with rules. Some fighters are actually quite generous, perhaps some should learn that.