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Naz ducked Marquez and other good featherweights for good, which is SHAME but not fame.

If he couldn't beat elite fighters like Barrera, he should have shown big heart like Ward did.

Ambling Alp wrote:None of these guys were close to Barerra,Morales,Pacquiao or even Marquez.

Maybe... but consider at the time that Hamed did retire Marquez & Pacquiao weren't quite marquee names. You can make a case for Morales but Marquez & Pacquiao came on strong after Hamed had already retired. He could have came back to fight them but have you seen him? He hasn't been fit to fight for a long time.

Decagon wrote:He didn't fight Morales because it was right after Morales's controversial win over Barrera, and he fought Barrera instead. Heck, during most of Morales's and Barrera's time at 122, people thought that Vuyani Bungu was the best in the division. Barrera was still recovering from back-to-back losses to Junior Jones, and Morales hadn't fought too many people.

That's right. I do remember now. Because Barrera was expected by most to lose to Hamed. I was rooting for Barrera myself but had picked Hamed to beat him. Needless to say I was thrilled when Barrera did beat him and even more so when Barrera put his head into the turnbuckle like he was Hulk Hogan.

Though I still think he should have fought Morales. And Morales was obviously (coming off a win over Barrera) more worthy than any other at that weight. To me, that's the one guy Hamed should have fought but didn't. Like I said about Marquez & Pacquiao, they came after Hamed.

npal wrote:

Decagon wrote:He didn't fight Morales because it was right after Morales's controversial win over Barrera, and he fought Barrera instead. Heck, during most of Morales's and Barrera's time at 122, people thought that Vuyani Bungu was the best in the division. Barrera was still recovering from back-to-back losses to Junior Jones, and Morales hadn't fought too many people.

That's right. I do remember now. Because Barrera was expected by most to lose to Hamed. I was rooting for Barrera myself but had picked Hamed to beat him. Needless to say I was thrilled when Barrera did beat him and even more so when Barrera put his head into the turnbuckle like he was Hulk Hogan.

Though I still think he should have fought Morales. And Morales was obviously (coming off a win over Barrera) more worthy than any other at that weight. To me, that's the one guy Hamed should have fought but didn't. Like I said about Marquez & Pacquiao, they came after Hamed.

According to Emmanuel Steward Juan Manuel Marquez was Hamed's mandatory for almost 2 years and Hamed blatantly ducked him and even Steward said that Marquez represented a stylistic nightmare for Hamed because he was such a skilled boxer and counter-puncher that would've definitely dismantled Hamed the way Barrera had despite Barrera not being expected to.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

npal wrote:

Decagon wrote:He didn't fight Morales because it was right after Morales's controversial win over Barrera, and he fought Barrera instead. Heck, during most of Morales's and Barrera's time at 122, people thought that Vuyani Bungu was the best in the division. Barrera was still recovering from back-to-back losses to Junior Jones, and Morales hadn't fought too many people.

That's right. I do remember now. Because Barrera was expected by most to lose to Hamed. I was rooting for Barrera myself but had picked Hamed to beat him. Needless to say I was thrilled when Barrera did beat him and even more so when Barrera put his head into the turnbuckle like he was Hulk Hogan.

Though I still think he should have fought Morales. And Morales was obviously (coming off a win over Barrera) more worthy than any other at that weight. To me, that's the one guy Hamed should have fought but didn't. Like I said about Marquez & Pacquiao, they came after Hamed.

According to Emmanuel Steward Juan Manuel Marquez was Hamed's mandatory for almost 2 years and Hamed blatantly ducked him and even Steward said that Marquez represented a stylistic nightmare for Hamed because he was such a skilled boxer and counter-puncher that would've definitely dismantled Hamed the way Barrera had despite Barrera not being expected to.

Thinking in terms of dollars and cents, Marquez wouldn't have made "sense." Hey, that rhymes.

At least not at the time. Too big of a risk for such little reward. Now, I know you're gonna say Augie Sanchez... Augie Sanchez wasn't much of a risk. A guy like Bungu, in the overall scheme of things, meant a lot more at the time than fighting a guy like Marquez. Marquez wasn't worth the gamble until after the Pacquiao fight. Pacquiao took the gamble and Pacquiao took the hit for it.

I just find it hard to penalize a guy for not fighting someone who really came on shortly after said fighter had already retired. That would be like saying "Well, Steve Collins didn't fight Joe Calzaghe." Now I'm pretty sure that Joe Calzaghe was the #1 contender for Collins. But when I think of Steve Collins, I don't think of Joe Calzaghe. I think Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Roy Jones. I consider Joe Calzaghe the next era. I view Pacquiao & Marquez as the era following Hamed. It seems "era's" change every 5 years or so. I know that Marquez was an established fighter during Hamed's reign, but not established enough to say Hamed should have fought him.

The only guy who stands out that Hamed didn't fight during the time that Hamed was not retired would have been Morales.

I keep trying to tell you guy's It's the hall of FAME.....not the hall of SKILL. Skill should play a big part granted, but for FAME Hamed get's a pass even if his skills are only marginal. If he didn't draw so much attention to himself I'd say he's a no go. But he somehow captured the imagination of the boxing public......So for me he gets there on a "style" pass vs a "skill" pass.

You must be able to name some others who made it to the hall of fame for their style more than their skill. Hamed aint alone. Braddock sort of gets there for "capturing the heart and soul of a nation" more than just his pure ability. Hamed is sort of the "Anti-Braddock" I suppose.

ALSO I 100% agree that Morales and Barrera should be well ahead of him in line. But Naz still should get in the door even if just barely.....He sold a hell of lot of tickets both live gate and pay per view....if your going to call the damn thing the "Hall of Fame" then he's in. End of story.

BoxBuzz wrote:I keep trying to tell you guy's It's the hall of FAME.....not the hall of SKILL. Skill should play a big part granted, but for FAME Hamed get's a pass even if his skills are only marginal. If he didn't draw so much attention to himself I'd say he's a no go. But he somehow captured the imagination of the boxing public......So for me he gets there on a "style" pass vs a "skill" pass.

You must be able to name some others who made it to the hall of fame for their style more than their skill. Hamed aint alone. Braddock sort of gets there for "capturing the heart and soul of a nation" more than just his pure ability. Hamed is sort of the "Anti-Braddock" I suppose.

ALSO I 100% agree that Morales and Barrera should be well ahead of him in line. But Naz still should get in the door even if just barely.....He sold a hell of lot of tickets both live gate and pay per view....if your going to call the damn thing the "Hall of Fame" then he's in. End of story.

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The HOF is not "People" magazine. Popularity is not a critera for getting in. Hamed sure lacked skill, so he doesn't get in. It is that simple.

ringsider wrote:The HOF is not "People" magazine. Popularity is not a critera for getting in. Hamed sure lacked skill, so he doesn't get in. It is that simple.

ringsider...you just keep believin' that.....it's that idealism that sets you apart for the others....... Well that and your disdain of the diversity of the southpaw stance.

Well if Hamed gets in, then Freddy Roach gets in due to his fighting heart and popularity.

Medina? Please!!

ringsider wrote:Well if Hamed gets in, then Freddy Roach gets in due to his fighting heart and popularity.

Hamed just might be able to sneak in under the gross skill of "punching power". He could separate a head from a torso with the best of 'em at his weight class. Wouldn't you agree?

this is a hard one for me i really like watching a prime hamed... i would condsider his ptime from mid 1994- mid 1997 yes before the kelly fight his downfall started as soon as he won his first world title he stopped training between fights he stopped listoning to brendon ingle (anyone ever seen the jose badillo fight ingle tells him to knock him out so hamed box's him and schools him until ingle tells him to keep boxing then hamed goes out an flattens badillo). i think he deserves to be in the HOF if politics hadnt got in the way he would of unified the division he beat the wbc,wba and ibf champion in the space of 2 years. he was a very skillful fighter he just chose not to use his skills i have watched all of his fights and at the start of his career until prob 96-97 he used his skills to set up opponents for the KO after this he just used power and threw most punches with the intent to KO with one punch and end his night early(a symptem of not training enough yes he was cocky and arrogent but the only other fighter i have seen predict the round it will end in and it actually happen was muhammad ali the GOAT his natural talent should have made him more than he was but i still beleive he deserves an entry to the HOF at some point within the next 4-10 years to come

kikibalt wrote:I still say that he was not that good of a fighter, none of those fighters mentioned above were great champions, much less HOF themselves.

he won 3 world titles and should of won a fourth how does that not make him good let allone exellent if he was great is up for debate but there is no doubt he was better than good

Seamus wrote:McGuigan also stopped undefeated lightning fast southpaw Bernard Taylor, who got a draw against Pedroza. I would like to have seen McGuigan do more, but for a short career his resume was pretty good.

Taylor and Pedroza were ranked top 10 P4P in KO magazine when McGuigan beat them.

Ezzard wrote:

Seamus wrote:McGuigan also stopped undefeated lightning fast southpaw Bernard Taylor, who got a draw against Pedroza. I would like to have seen McGuigan do more, but for a short career his resume was pretty good.

Taylor and Pedroza were ranked top 10 P4P in KO magazine when McGuigan beat them.

Bernard Taylor was top 10 P4P? Are you sure that's not top 10 featherweight? Who did he beat to get that honor?

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

npal wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

Seamus wrote:McGuigan also stopped undefeated lightning fast southpaw Bernard Taylor, who got a draw against Pedroza. I would like to have seen McGuigan do more, but for a short career his resume was pretty good.

Taylor and Pedroza were ranked top 10 P4P in KO magazine when McGuigan beat them.

Bernard Taylor was top 10 P4P? Are you sure that's not top 10 featherweight? Who did he beat to get that honor?

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

He had got a disputed draw with Pedroza. This propelled him into the magazine's top 10.

Looking at his record it does seem remarkable now. I hope its not my memory but I'm pretty sure that's where KO had him.

Ezzard wrote:

npal wrote:

Ezzard wrote: Taylor and Pedroza were ranked top 10 P4P in KO magazine when McGuigan beat them.

Bernard Taylor was top 10 P4P? Are you sure that's not top 10 featherweight? Who did he beat to get that honor?

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

He had got a disputed draw with Pedroza. This propelled him into the magazine's top 10.

Even still... that's a strange one. I'll take your word for it. Did KO mag have some kind of affiliation with ESPN? Taylor was the ESPN champion. I can't fathom any reason to have him anywhere near the top 10 P4P even with a draw with Pedroza.

npal wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

npal wrote:

Bernard Taylor was top 10 P4P? Are you sure that's not top 10 featherweight? Who did he beat to get that honor?

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

He had got a disputed draw with Pedroza. This propelled him into the magazine's top 10.

Even still... that's a strange one. I'll take your word for it. Did KO mag have some kind of affiliation with ESPN? Taylor was the ESPN champion. I can't fathom any reason to have him anywhere near the top 10 P4P even with a draw with Pedroza.

To be fair Taylor was like quicksilver.

I can't stand Hamed, but he must be in the HoF for the following reason (ignore the McGuigan argument, which is also valid):

Had Vazquez not been stripped of the WBA title, Nas would've been the first boxer in history to unify all 4 major belts at any weight and beat Hopkins to that record.

Definitely yes.

The Prince belongs in the HOF.

There are fighters who achieved less than him in the HOF, so on that basis he deserves to be.