Posted: 11 Oct 2007, 12:48
After the fight on Saturday Warren said the opponent for December 8th would be announced today. Any word?
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Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 06:23
Earl will be a tough test, I hope it happens
Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 13:09
no announcement has been made as yet to the best of my knowledge, it way be l8 tonight b4 it is announcednickd wrote:After the fight on Saturday Warren said the opponent for December 8th would be announced today. Any word?
Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 15:55
Maybe there won't be an announcement for a while, 8 weeks is probably too much notice for a Khan opponent they seem to like giving him a headstart in the gym!fight fan 101 wrote:no announcement has been made as yet to the best of my knowledge, it way be l8 tonight b4 it is announcednickd wrote:After the fight on Saturday Warren said the opponent for December 8th would be announced today. Any word?
Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 16:01
Earl shouldnt even be fighting anymore imo. To say he is a fair opponent for Khan is rather laughable!. Why doesnt Amir take on Thaxton rather than just slagging him off verbally every other day???....
Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 16:36
Why, dont you like boxing on ITV - Its survival seems to hinge on Khans continued success so if Khan loses it could be over - Is it worth the satisfaction of seeing FW with his head in his hands? - I like Earl and part of me wants to see him win but its a huge price to pay if Khan isnt so marketable after a loss - I dont think he is ready for either Graham or Jon.E wrote:Fair enough - though I don't think the film's overrated. It is an excellent study in degeneracy, uncomfortable situations, and addiction.Terry D wrote:You are not being pedantic. You are just failing to understand that the man who uttered the word "demand" is also the man who walked into the tea rooms and both are indentified, correctly, as Richard E. Grant.E wrote: Apologies for being a pedant, but Withnail 'Demands to have some booze' in his own house before downing lighter fluid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5EmCKbWS6c
When he's in the tea rooms, he says: "We want the finest wines available to humanity "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6LhZJdCQY
It is Ok, I understand how you can fail to see that the two can be mixed. If I said Richard E. Grant has just entered his room it would have looked a bit odd and fallen flat. So you mix it up. Two references to pivotal scenes, in an overrated film it must be said, tied-up in a throwaway line is pretty good going I'd say. In fact it is awesome.
The quip works though, as shown by the fact you got the film.
It is also well acted and the dialogue is superb.
As to Earl - I like him. A fighter's fighter. I would love to see him burst Khan's bubble. And see the look on Allegedly's face
Posted: 12 Oct 2007, 16:40
WildWaylon wrote:Why, dont you like boxing on ITV - Its survival seems to hinge on Khans continued success so if Khan loses it could be over - Is it worth the satisfaction of seeing FW with his head in his hands? - I like Earl and part of me wants to see him win but its a huge price to pay if Khan isnt so marketable after a loss - I dont think he is ready for either Graham or Jon.E wrote:Fair enough - though I don't think the film's overrated. It is an excellent study in degeneracy, uncomfortable situations, and addiction.Terry D wrote: You are not being pedantic. You are just failing to understand that the man who uttered the word "demand" is also the man who walked into the tea rooms and both are indentified, correctly, as Richard E. Grant.
It is Ok, I understand how you can fail to see that the two can be mixed. If I said Richard E. Grant has just entered his room it would have looked a bit odd and fallen flat. So you mix it up. Two references to pivotal scenes, in an overrated film it must be said, tied-up in a throwaway line is pretty good going I'd say. In fact it is awesome.
The quip works though, as shown by the fact you got the film.
It is also well acted and the dialogue is superb.
As to Earl - I like him. A fighter's fighter. I would love to see him burst Khan's bubble. And see the look on Allegedly's face
Well if the survival of boxing depends on Khan then we might as well pack up and switch to UFC now!....
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 01:16
Hope it's not on this date, as I doubt it'll be shown in Vegas, but don't worry Frank - I may be tempted to waste a couple of grand to stay home and watch it ;)
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 06:37
I am referring to boxing on ITV, not its survival as a sport - Could any UFC matchup compare with Hatton/Mayweather?silkov wrote:WildWaylon wrote:Why, dont you like boxing on ITV - Its survival seems to hinge on Khans continued success so if Khan loses it could be over - Is it worth the satisfaction of seeing FW with his head in his hands? - I like Earl and part of me wants to see him win but its a huge price to pay if Khan isnt so marketable after a loss - I dont think he is ready for either Graham or Jon.E wrote: Fair enough - though I don't think the film's overrated. It is an excellent study in degeneracy, uncomfortable situations, and addiction.
It is also well acted and the dialogue is superb.
As to Earl - I like him. A fighter's fighter. I would love to see him burst Khan's bubble. And see the look on Allegedly's face
Well if the survival of boxing depends on Khan then we might as well pack up and switch to UFC now!....
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 06:59
I hate UFC but the way boxing is run now, especially in Britain, its not hard to see why some are going over to UFC after becoiming fed up with the mismatches offered by the so called top boxing bills...
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 07:09
Khan-Earl would have a bit of Arthur-Gomez about it to me.
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 07:56
UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.silkov wrote:I hate UFC but the way boxing is run now, especially in Britain, its not hard to see why some are going over to UFC after becoiming fed up with the mismatches offered by the so called top boxing bills...
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 08:38
I agree totally, UFC sucks, but my point is that much of the stuff handed to boxing fans by people like Warren is encouraging many would be boxing fans to look elsewhere, especially youngsters who dont know how good boxing can be and have only experienced it via the SN world!!....Max Molyneux wrote:UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.silkov wrote:I hate UFC but the way boxing is run now, especially in Britain, its not hard to see why some are going over to UFC after becoiming fed up with the mismatches offered by the so called top boxing bills...
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 09:34
Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about there. UFC matches end early as these guys are punching with 4oz gloves and there are also no counts when guys hit the floor - meaning little or no recovery time. That equates to more stoppages. And there are so many ways to end a fight early in comparison to boxing. There are very few mismatches in UFC.Max Molyneux wrote:UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.silkov wrote:I hate UFC but the way boxing is run now, especially in Britain, its not hard to see why some are going over to UFC after becoiming fed up with the mismatches offered by the so called top boxing bills...
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 11:35
Thats debatable wether light oz gloves cause more damage.nickd wrote:UFC matches end early as these guys are punching with 4oz gloves and there are also no counts when guys hit the floor - meaning little or no recovery time. That equates to more stoppages. And there are so many ways to end a fight early in comparison to boxing. There are very few mismatches in UFC.Max Molyneux wrote:UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.silkov wrote:I hate UFC but the way boxing is run now, especially in Britain, its not hard to see why some are going over to UFC after becoiming fed up with the mismatches offered by the so called top boxing bills...
If those fighters had to fight a fast pace and couldn't wrestle and hold, there stamina levels would be exposed too.
I don't?Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about there.
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 11:42
You don't think fighters cause more damage with lighter gloves?Max Molyneux wrote:Thats debatable wether light oz gloves cause more damage.nickd wrote:Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about there. UFC matches end early as these guys are punching with 4oz gloves and there are also no counts when guys hit the floor - meaning little or no recovery time. That equates to more stoppages. And there are so many ways to end a fight early in comparison to boxing. There are very few mismatches in UFC.Max Molyneux wrote: UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.
If those fighters had to fight a fast pace and couldn't wrestle and hold, there stamina levels would be exposed too.
Posted: 13 Oct 2007, 11:46
Not sure, but wouldn't bigger gloves cause more brain rattling?
Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 15:40
Totally, a consistently hard puncher (Juan Diaz) is far more damaging than a KO artist (80's Tyson) because of the prolonged impacts on the brain and UFC tends to be one punch KOs or submissions than points.Max Molyneux wrote:Not sure, but wouldn't bigger gloves cause more brain rattling?
Posted: 14 Oct 2007, 20:16
There's also the debate on smaller gloves causing greater degrees of localised trauma, reducing impact diffusion. Boxers though, I'm sure, mostly hit harder because grappling isn't allowed.
In MMA there's less opportunity to set yourself; plus, from the little I've seen, MMA punching technique leaves a lot of room for improvement. Even taking into account the need for mobility, the apparent inability to throw anything but arm-punches is widespread. It's what I call 'torque punching', where rotation occurs around a static torso and legs.
In MMA there's less opportunity to set yourself; plus, from the little I've seen, MMA punching technique leaves a lot of room for improvement. Even taking into account the need for mobility, the apparent inability to throw anything but arm-punches is widespread. It's what I call 'torque punching', where rotation occurs around a static torso and legs.
Posted: 15 Oct 2007, 03:22
Its a different kind of stamina, but don't doubt for a minute that these guys are super fit. I only trained MMA for a short time, but when I first went I had boxed and thai boxed for nearly 8 years, was running too, and was fit. (much the opposite of now). Sparring stand up first I though, "hey this is easy...." and was almost laughing. The minute it went to the ground, I was gassed after a minute or so... completely different kind of stamina required. Probably a lot of that was due to my amatuerism, and being too tense - not knowing when to conserve energy etc, but from thinking I was fit, and being comparatively fit in the boxing gym... I soon realised I wasn't anywhere near fit enough.Max Molyneux wrote:Thats debatable wether light oz gloves cause more damage.nickd wrote:UFC matches end early as these guys are punching with 4oz gloves and there are also no counts when guys hit the floor - meaning little or no recovery time. That equates to more stoppages. And there are so many ways to end a fight early in comparison to boxing. There are very few mismatches in UFC.Max Molyneux wrote: UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.
If those fighters had to fight a fast pace and couldn't wrestle and hold, there stamina levels would be exposed too.
I threw up in each of my first three mma sessions
Posted: 15 Oct 2007, 05:33
Can't see Khan V Earl because Khan will loose 
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.Posted: 15 Oct 2007, 13:01
Looks like it could well be happen although I aggree with those who are sceptical about Earl being given maximum time to prepair.Earl eager to tie up Khan clash
By Richard Hookham
Earl beat Angel Hugo Ramirez for the WBU belt in October 2006
Former WBU champion Graham Earl has vowed to teach Amir Khan a boxing lesson if he is confirmed as the young British ring star's next opponent.
Earl, 29, and British champion Jonathan Thaxton have both been touted to next face Commonwealth title holder Khan.
But Earl told BBC Sport: "I'm just waiting to hear if it will happen and if it does I know I would beat Amir."
A spokesman for promoter allegedly said: "Nothing's been confirmed yet but Graham's one we're looking at."
Earl is a seasoned campaigner at 135lb and has lost just two fights in a 25-fight career, with 12 knock-out wins.
The Bedford battler insists he will have too much ring craft for the Olympic silver medallist, who boasts a 14-0 record and is quickly establishing himself as big box office.
"I'll bring Amir down to earth," Earl said. "He's getting a bit too big for his boots and I can't wait to get our fight sorted out."
Khan successfully defended his Commonwealth lightweight title for the first time with a fourth-round stoppage against Scott Lawton at the Nottingham Arena on 6 October.
allegedly has hinted his next outing will be on his 21st birthday on 8 December at the Bolton Arena.
Khan has repeatedly insisted he is ready to step up in quality and progress quickly to a future world title shot, but Earl insists that is looking too far ahead.
"I watched his fight against Willie Limond and he very nearly lost it after going down in the sixth.
"Amir did well to fight back and claim the (Commonwealth) title but I saw things I know I can exploit if I get the call to fight him.
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"Obviously, he's the young up-and-coming fighter and is getting all the exposure on terrestrial TV, whereas most of my fights have been on Sky.
"Many people have just seen the name Amir Khan and assume he's the best lightweight in the country, just because he gets that TV exposure.
"I may not be as well known to the public, but I'm older, more experienced and totally confident that I would show him up. And I think others in the business would think that too.
"From my point of view, it would just be a case of getting this fight out of the way and then moving on for another go at a big title myself.
"The pundits know that Amir has weaknesses and I'll prove that. He's talented but against a hardened fighter like myself, I think he would struggle.
Khan finished off Lawton in the fourth round
"I'm with the same promoter as Amir and hopefully allegedly will be contacting me to tell me I'm next up. Then we'll see who the real champion is."
Earl, who has carded notable British title victories over the likes of Bobby Vanzie and big-punching Steve Murray, has not fought since losing a tilt at the WBO interim title against Michael Katsidis in February.
He got that chance having claimed the vacant WBU lightweight belt with a decision victory over Argentina's Angel Hugo Ramirez in Bethnal Green in October 2006.
Earl said: "Things didn't go my way against Katsidis but I'm over that and have been preparing really well since.
"If I get Amir I'll be putting him under a lot pressure and will punish him."
Posted: 15 Oct 2007, 13:12
Even if it isn't announced, Earl will know a lot better than us if this fight has a chance of materialising.... and if so, isn't gonna wait for the final announcement to start training, he'll be on the case if he thinks theres any chance of it happening.
Posted: 15 Oct 2007, 13:13
Some good points here on MMA.
Watched some good UFC action the other night, some replays of the Bisping bill.
The grappling does look completely exhausting, and definetly requires a different kind of stamina, not to mention more endurance stamina and physical strength than boxing.
The main reason for poor punching technique is I think that if a fighter misses, and they have followed right through with their punches, they are going to be able to be taken down very easily, or a hand gripped, or feet taken from under them. Like in Thai boxing, the stance doesn't lend itself to having punch perfect technique, different demands and a different sport, but even an arm punch can knock someone out if it catches them flush.
With regard to gloves, smaller gloves from all the evidence I've read, cause localised trauma, but far less injury to the brain, and given that fighters normally only take a few clean shots before being stopped, little chance for long term damage. The danger would be of terrible facial damage if a fighter was grounded and ther referee took too long to intervene, but I've not seen that happen yet.
I was very impressed with Bisping, seems an excellent all round fighter with good levels of fitness, strength and technique.
Watched some good UFC action the other night, some replays of the Bisping bill.
The grappling does look completely exhausting, and definetly requires a different kind of stamina, not to mention more endurance stamina and physical strength than boxing.
The main reason for poor punching technique is I think that if a fighter misses, and they have followed right through with their punches, they are going to be able to be taken down very easily, or a hand gripped, or feet taken from under them. Like in Thai boxing, the stance doesn't lend itself to having punch perfect technique, different demands and a different sport, but even an arm punch can knock someone out if it catches them flush.
With regard to gloves, smaller gloves from all the evidence I've read, cause localised trauma, but far less injury to the brain, and given that fighters normally only take a few clean shots before being stopped, little chance for long term damage. The danger would be of terrible facial damage if a fighter was grounded and ther referee took too long to intervene, but I've not seen that happen yet.
I was very impressed with Bisping, seems an excellent all round fighter with good levels of fitness, strength and technique.
Posted: 15 Oct 2007, 13:14
You get more clean KO's with a 4oz glove over a 10oz glove no doubt about that.Max Molyneux wrote:Thats debatable wether light oz gloves cause more damage.nickd wrote:UFC matches end early as these guys are punching with 4oz gloves and there are also no counts when guys hit the floor - meaning little or no recovery time. That equates to more stoppages. And there are so many ways to end a fight early in comparison to boxing. There are very few mismatches in UFC.Max Molyneux wrote: UFC fights lasting mostly a rounf or 2 suggests theres some mismatches there as well.
If those fighters had to fight a fast pace and couldn't wrestle and hold, there stamina levels would be exposed too.
I don't?Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about there.
Regards mismatches in UFC clearly you don't.