Benn: Joe in defeat would be at crossroads

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jamesmcdonnell wrote:You don't fit in anywhere as you are a moron.

Well seeing as I cannot recal a single person on here saying that Calzaghe would have beaten Roy Jones, you are clearly, as usual talking shite, Calzaghe himself even admitted he wouldn't have beaten Jones in his prime, so what are you on about. Show me one quote on here of someone saying he would have beaten Jones.....

As for Hatton, he has as good a chance of anyone out there of winning, but I'm sure if you conducted a poll on here, most people would make Floyd favourite.

So your point is?
you are wrong on both counts. i have read posts on this forum from people thinking calzaghe would beat jones.

hatton also has zero chance of winning and i have already placed a large bet on betfair and if you would like to bet I will give you 5/2 for hatton winning at betfair.

anybody who thinks hatton will beat mayweather please head over to betfair and i will match your bet.

when and where did calzaghe say jones would have beaten him? can you provide proof? calzaghe has talked sh*t about jones and been nothing but disrespectul to him. he is not whiter than white and his resume over the past 10 years is shi*e.
Show me where these posts are. Should be easy enough to find them, there's a search facility on here after all. I will be very surprised if you find anyone on the british scene that say unequivocally that Calzaghe would have beaten a prime Roy Jones.


I read the comments from Calzaghe myself, I know they exist. It was some years ago now whilst Jones was still at his peak, and Calzaghe said he wouldn't have wanted to face him.

What does 'zero chance' mean. Are you saying that everyone who faces Mayweather has zero chance, or particularly Hatton. Hatton certainly has a better chance than many of Mayweathers opponents, certainly more than Gatti, Baldomir, so therefore must have more than 'zero' chance.

Depends what odds you are offering on betfair, Hatton certainly isn't favourite, but he shouldn't be more than a 2:1 dog in my opinion. If you're offering more than that, I may take you up on it. I don't actually have a betfair account at present, but shouldn't take long to set one up.
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I don't think Calzaghe would beat a prime Jones, but also, if he had gone into a fight, I don't think he would have been humiliated either. Also, I'm sure if it was the other way round that Jones maybe would have had 2nd thoughts if he was to give up a 168-lb rein to challenge, say, an established champion at 175. Would Roy have moved up as soon if peak Michalczewski hadn't been stripped? Dariusz was a dangerous fight for Roy circa 1997-2000, for example...but it seems Roy had the alphabet boys in his pocket.

Roy did seem invincible but you also have top be sober about it and judge why his party was so successful: his 5 mil a fight HBO contract let him fight whom he wanted. OK, he toyed with Glenn Kelly and Bryant Brannon, but how much does that *really* tell us. Put him in with a big, competent lanky southpaw with a punch and I think his career would have panned out differently. Personally, I don't think Roy has earned the benefit of the doubt as he rested on a couple of big wins and then fell apart when he was 34, not to mention he was a juicer.

You can judge a fight during his career, and Jones had that aura, but historically he will be judges more harshly. Calzaghe *can* overshadow him by having a great late phase in his career (while Jones got his head knocked half off vs Glen Johnson and Tarver).

Personally, I think maybe they deserve each other. They're both typical '90s do-what-the-hell-I want champions.
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Autobarn wrote:I don't think Calzaghe would beat a prime Jones, but also, if he had gone into a fight, I don't think he would have been humiliated either. Also, I'm sure if it was the other way round that Jones maybe would have had 2nd thoughts if he was to give up a 168-lb rein to challenge, say, an established champion at 175. Would Roy have moved up as soon if peak Michalczewski hadn't been stripped? Dariusz was a dangerous fight for Roy circa 1997-2000, for example...but it seems Roy had the alphabet boys in his pocket.

Roy did seem invincible but you also have top be sober about it and judge why his party was so successful: his 5 mil a fight HBO contract let him fight whom he wanted. OK, he toyed with Glenn Kelly and Bryant Brannon, but how much does that *really* tell us. Put him in with a big, competent lanky southpaw with a punch and I think his career would have panned out differently. Personally, I don't think Roy has earned the benefit of the doubt as he rested on a couple of big wins and then fell apart when he was 34, not to mention he was a juicer.

You can judge a fight during his career, and Jones had that aura, but historically he will be judges more harshly. Calzaghe *can* overshadow him by having a great late phase in his career (while Jones got his head knocked half off vs Glen Johnson and Tarver).

Personally, I think maybe they deserve each other. They're both typical '90s do-what-the-hell-I want champions.

Good points.

At 168, I think Jones would have been bloody hard to beat, I don't know if there's been a 168 lber who could have done it. I agree Calzaghe wouldn't have been humiliated, but it wouldn't have been close either.

At 175 he chose his opponents very carefully, and we never saw him in with a really top flight opponent of the calibre of an Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks or Michael Moorer.
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Post by m1kee50 »

Jones and Toney could have had a great series up the weights, 168, 175, Cruiser and Heavy.... that would have been something to see, and would have done a lot for the legacy of both
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I think at Cruiser and above, the advantage would have become Toney's an unpopular view generally, but I think Toney would have had a combination of speed and heavy hitting that Jones would have found very hard to take.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Autobarn wrote:I don't think Calzaghe would beat a prime Jones, but also, if he had gone into a fight, I don't think he would have been humiliated either. Also, I'm sure if it was the other way round that Jones maybe would have had 2nd thoughts if he was to give up a 168-lb rein to challenge, say, an established champion at 175. Would Roy have moved up as soon if peak Michalczewski hadn't been stripped? Dariusz was a dangerous fight for Roy circa 1997-2000, for example...but it seems Roy had the alphabet boys in his pocket.

Roy did seem invincible but you also have top be sober about it and judge why his party was so successful: his 5 mil a fight HBO contract let him fight whom he wanted. OK, he toyed with Glenn Kelly and Bryant Brannon, but how much does that *really* tell us. Put him in with a big, competent lanky southpaw with a punch and I think his career would have panned out differently. Personally, I don't think Roy has earned the benefit of the doubt as he rested on a couple of big wins and then fell apart when he was 34, not to mention he was a juicer.

You can judge a fight during his career, and Jones had that aura, but historically he will be judges more harshly. Calzaghe *can* overshadow him by having a great late phase in his career (while Jones got his head knocked half off vs Glen Johnson and Tarver).

Personally, I think maybe they deserve each other. They're both typical '90s do-what-the-hell-I want champions.

Good points.

At 168, I think Jones would have been bloody hard to beat, I don't know if there's been a 168 lber who could have done it. I agree Calzaghe wouldn't have been humiliated, but it wouldn't have been close either.

At 175 he chose his opponents very carefully, and we never saw him in with a really top flight opponent of the calibre of an Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks or Michael Moorer.
I saw Jones struggle and look ordinary against Eric Harding and even ordinary Derrick Harmon won some rounds against him. Joe's probably too short to pull off an upset (short armed, crouching stance). I think Calzaghe-Jones could have bene fairly close but then again I don't think Joe or Warren would go into a fight that would let them lose face. Joe does have that fluid punching and fast pace, but isn't really accurate enough. If Joe had been champion a few yrs earlier and Jones had come afterward, I wonder if Jones would have gone into what would look like a dangerous fight. What really looks shit on Jones' career is that he kept putting off a fight with Tarver then lost 2 of 3 fights with the misfit.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think at Cruiser and above, the advantage would have become Toney's an unpopular view generally, but I think Toney would have had a combination of speed and heavy hitting that Jones would have found very hard to take.
I wonder why Jones called out Jirov then decided against it. (and up @ heavy, Corrie Sanders...) If it had been mega talented Cuban Juan Carlos Gomez, Jones would have been knocked out in 2-3 rds. Gomez was an effing killer at cruiserweight when he was WBC champ.

I really wanted Toney to get Jones back at cruiser or heavy, but "Lights Out" went and truly fvcked his career up. A guy on one website described him as looking like "something that should be hunting someone in a swamp." LOL
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I think Jirov's workrate, physical strength, toughness and punch power probably scared Jones off.

Toney took Jirov to pieces, but he had to really set his feet and hurt the man to do it. I cannot see Jones being able to do that at 190, he wouldn't have been throwing enough hard shots to deter him, and Jones would have been outmuscled eventually.

Gomez at cruiser was a monster, Jones picked Ruiz very carefully, because Ruiz was slow, immobile, and couldn't fight on the oustide. Even so, Jones picked and poked and threw very few shots to steal the fight, unlike Toney who stood in the pocket and fought with the bigger man.
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Post by Deram »

In terms of accomplishments in total, Roy is ahead of Joe.

In terms of accomplishments only at 168, Joe is ahead of Roy.

In terms of h2h... it is not easy to be sure. Joe has looked like gold whenever there was a real challenge. On the other hand Roy also has looked spectacular when the fire was on.

Personally, I am leaning towards Roy (as he is one of my alltime favorites) but I acknowledge that Roy may not like Joe's style at all. This smuthering that Joe would try to put on Roy may not be something Roy would like and may in fact be the best thing one could use to spoil Roy's favorite pot-shooting game.
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Nige laying into Naz and Jones...


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,3-2002231287,00.html

NIGEL BENN has dismissed Naseem Hamed as a boxing fake who reached the top by fighting old men and nobodies.

The former WBC super-middleweight world champion lashed Hamed in a no-holds-barred attack after the featherweight's dismal display against Manuel Calvo last Saturday.

Benn, 38, is steaming mad Hamed, who blamed a damaged hand for the stinker against Spaniard Calvo, questioned the Dark Destroyer's bravery in the ring.

Following his laboured points win, Hamed said: "Even though I hurt my hand so much, I still wanted to let it go.

"I remember the time when me and Nigel Benn boxed on the same bill and he sat on his stool and wouldn't come out and fight when he fought Steve Collins.

"I don't know how a champion can sit on his stool and do that. You can chop my arms and legs off, I'm coming out to fight."

But Benn blasted: "How dare he use my name to try to dig himself out of a problem of his own making.

"He has come out at the London Arena and shown us absolutely nothing new, you can tell by his attitude that all he wanted to do was run the show.

"It's not boxing with him - it's just a gimmick, he simply does not know how to knuckle down. Hamed needs to prove himself - he has come into boxing on a fake passport, his application was made by fighting old champions and nobodies.

"It's about time he got a real one, only I don't think his application will be passed if he ever fights Marco Antonio Barrera again.

"Hamed has been exposed as a fake. He has reached the top but everybody has sussed him out.

"He should have handled the post-fight stuff gracefully but it was down to everyone else except him.

"He's giving it all the Fresh Prince but to me it was stale. He danced on his way to the ring and that was about all the excitement the crowd got - he just threw single punches.

"Get him a shot at a warrior who has real ambition and he will not pass the test."

Benn was involved in explosive ring wars with Gerald McClellan, Iran Barkley, Michael Watson, Chris Eubank and Collins. He quit boxing in November 1996 after two consecutive defeats to Collins.

The second ended with Benn, who had just five losses in a 48-fight career, failing to come out for the seventh round.

Hamed's hopes of retiring as undefeated WBO world featherweight champion crashed when he was beaten by Mexican Barrera last April.

Barrera exposed deep flaws in Hamed's fight technique and easily won the bout on points. The Prince returned 13 months later to face Calvo - but it was a far from glorious comeback.

Hamed, 28, branded the fans ignorant after they booed his performance, with many walking out long before the final bell.

Benn added: "If Hamed ever gets back in the ring with Barrera, the Mexican will wipe the floor with him yet again - only next time it will be easier for him. He has turned on me but I gave what the public demand - value for money - and I never had one complaint for as long as the fight lasted.

"I fought real wars against the likes of Doug de Witt, Collins, Watson, Eubank, McClellan, Barkley.

"The British public were my life and soul. Those fans got me through fights, they are the ones who willed me to win and I responded.

"Don't give me the bad knuckles c**p. Stop it! Don't give me or anybody else that. There's not a fighter in the world who comes out of a 12-round fight without bruised hands.

"As for quitting on my stool against Collins, he obviously isn't aware that I bet £100,000 on myself to beat him.

"Hamed has never been in a war like me. He has only ever fought old champions like Tom 'Boom Boom' Johnson and he couldn't hurt a fly.

"Forget the Ali shuffle stuff and the running on the spot, Hamed needs real fights not fakes.

"And what a crock of s*** it is when we hear a boxer say he's going to be a legend.

"I let the fight public make up their minds about me - they loved me and I loved them back."

Hamed was at Audley Harrison's heavyweight win over Mark Krence at the ExCel Arena on Tuesday night.

He admitted his hands were OK and expected to be back in the ring in three months' time.

Manchester's Michael Brodie is being lined up as a prospective opponent as long as he recovers from the broken nose and cut right eye he suffered against Argentine Pastor Maurin on the same bill as Hamed.

Brodie, 28, has a single defeat on his record - a disputed points loss against Willie Jorrin for the WBC super-bantamweight title.

Benn said: "I hope he does fight Michael Brodie next because at least the fighter in the opposite corner to Hamed would love a war.

"Against Pastor Maurin, Brodie changed his style after just a couple of rounds. I would have struggled to have done that so soon in a fight."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/1466456.stm

Nigel Benn was one of Britain's greatest ever world champions during the 1990s.
During a glorious career, Benn held two world titles and engaged in memorable fights with Chris Eubank, Michael Watson and the ill-fated Gerald McClellan.

In his first column for BBC Sport Online, Nigel looks at recent developments in the fight game, including Roy Jones' latest fight.

People ask me whether I have any regrets about calling it a day nearly five years ago, but I do not have any.

I had a pretty full career and sometimes I just wish I had come along now because I would have been a world champion for much longer.

I made 10 defences of my WBC Super-middleweight title but since I lost my title, it has changed hands ten times, with Sugar Boy Malinga holding it twice!

One of the guys still around from my time in the ring is Roy Jones. I watched him the other day and I was not impressed with him. I was shocked really.

I like fighters that go in and have a go so I was not impressed at all with this Jones fight.

Having said that he is a different class of fighter - he is a very good technical fighter who does not like to get in there and mix it up.

He will not throw a shot unless he knows he can hit you without getting hit.

The top British super-middleweight is Joe Calzaghe who I really like to watch.

I just think with Joe that he needs to fight the best people in the division and he is wasting his talents - he has had just one fight this year but he should be fighting four or five times - he needs to stay busy and I have told him that!

Joe would be a good fight for Jones and it is a difficult one to call - despite what I have said about Jones, he won every round at the weekend so he is not on the slide.

Of the other fights this weekend, Danny Williams got revenge over Julius Francis and I do think that Williams is beginning to show the potential we always thought he had.

When he first fought Julius, he froze, in the same way Henry Wharton did when he fought me. Since then, he has got together with trainer Jim McDonnell and he has improved.

He really does not need to fight for the WBU belt which seems to be the plane.

I really do not think that you can call yourself a world champion if you are a champion of the WBF or WBU.

I can not knock it because it makes the fighter a lot of money, but if you want a proper world title, fight for the WBA, WBC or the IBF.

Of the current crop of British fighters, I am quite excited about Ricky Hatton.

I think that he can really do things and I just think he is the one that can go places. His weakness with cuts is the only thing that worries me.

But he has unbelievable body punching power and is exciting to watch.

I also think that Dean Francis, the super-middleweight, will be a world champion now that he has sorted himself out.

A couple of fighters such as Anthony Farnell and Ryan Rhodes, have suffered setbacks during the last 18 months, but they should not get discouraged.

What they have got to do is have some proper fights first before they start jumping in for world title fights - that way, they will learn their game first.

I learnt from losing to Michael Watson and became a world champion soon after.

As for me, I am just taking it easy. I still train but not as hard as I used to. I weighed 13 stone, which is a stone more than my fighting days, but I'd be happier taking half a stone off!
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Post by ALI »

I've got Joe's back in the 'peak Jones' debate. Calzaghe is a warrior with a super-freak workrate and would have run Jones all the way. I wont stand up and declare he'd have beaten him, but i'm sure he'd have come mighty close to it if he'd lost!

It would have been a helluva fight thats for sure!
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I can't see Joe lasting six rounds with Jones. He's too square-on and Jones was a bomber against non-lumps.
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This was in the Yorkshire Post, hence the digs at Hamed
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Post by Al Savani »

Is that the fight with Gonzales Nigel's referring to about RJ, that was awfully boring and average (for RJ atleast!), and the guy Gonzales was crying throughout the fight and after
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RJ somehow struggles to see a left hand thrown from a southpaw stance and remember, pre Jiminez break JC could hit abit and not until post Ashira break has he not been able to whack abit, so who knows
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From Benn's book:

He came into my gym once in Tenerife, strutting around like he owned the place, and I had to tell him, 'Out, mate! Get out of my gym.' He was giving it large, and I just thought, 'Nah, mate, don't come in here, giving it all large. Show me some proper respect.' He might have all those Mickey Mouse guys around him, licking his ass - 'Oh Nazeem, Nazeem!' - but he's not going to get that treatment from me. What a bunch of pricks! And then you see them carrying him into the ring like he's some kind of king and they're his slaves. Have some respect for yourself!

And then, after the last Collins fight, he comes out in the papers slagging me off, saying, 'You can break my legs and rip my arms off, but I would still come out fighting.' What a load of shit - try it on with me, and I will break your legs and rip your arms off and, at the end of the day, the public caned him for what he was saying. Maybe if he'd done half of what I'd done they'd have taken their hat off to him, but they all know! I've fought everybody, but Hamed hasn't had nearly the same calibre of opponents. Everyone knows that there are fighters out there who will annihilate him, and he's just avoiding them. If you're meant to be the best in the world, Nazeem, then go and fight some of the top Americans. Prove yourself, like I did. Then you can run your mouth off. But in the boxing fraternity, we all know that he's fighting nobodies.

When I saw him at the Brit Awards, I gave him a piece of my mind: 'Let me tell you now, I'll punch you up in the air, you little shit.' Does he reckon he wants to exchange punches with me? I'll screw him up into a little ball and throw him in the waste paper bin.



Another one:

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,44 ... 66,00.html

One of Britain's most popular former champions, Nigel Benn, who came back from potentially shattering defeats against Michael Watson and Chris Eubank to fight his way back to the top, questions Hamed's desire to prove himself once more among the elite. He argues that Hamed, who has prepared for tonight's fight in his plush new gym in Sheffield, would have been better advised to have tried to rebuild his career in the United States.

"Let me say first off that I want Naz to succeed and to come back, because he is good for British boxing," said Benn. "But I don't see why he wants to fight Calvo, who nobody knows. He should go in with a top-10 world-ranked fighter, and if he could win, I would shake his hand and say 'well done'.

"The public don't want to be fooled and, in the boxing fraternity, we know the sort of people he should be fighting, and Calvo isn't one of them. I don't think he has the balls to go in again with Barrera or Erik Morales.

"I fought Chris Eubank for the second time because it was the fight the public wanted to see, and there were 47,000 who turned up at Old Trafford. We packed them in because people knew we gave 100%.

"I say to Naz, go and fight Barrera. After he lost in Las Vegas, he said he wanted the rematch but then he chose to walk away. When I lost to Michael Watson, I cried. I thought the world was on my shoulders and I broke down. But I came back because I wanted my titles. I needed to show I was the best, and if you win titles, the money follows. You have to have the passion, and now Naz has to show he has that passion."
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search wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:You don't fit in anywhere as you are a moron.

Well seeing as I cannot recal a single person on here saying that Calzaghe would have beaten Roy Jones, you are clearly, as usual talking shite, Calzaghe himself even admitted he wouldn't have beaten Jones in his prime, so what are you on about. Show me one quote on here of someone saying he would have beaten Jones.....

As for Hatton, he has as good a chance of anyone out there of winning, but I'm sure if you conducted a poll on here, most people would make Floyd favourite.

So your point is?
you are wrong on both counts. i have read posts on this forum from people thinking calzaghe would beat jones.

hatton also has zero chance of winning and i have already placed a large bet on betfair and if you would like to bet I will give you 5/2 for hatton winning at betfair.

anybody who thinks hatton will beat mayweather please head over to betfair and i will match your bet.

when and where did calzaghe say jones would have beaten him? can you provide proof? calzaghe has talked sh*t about jones and been nothing but disrespectul to him. he is not whiter than white and his resume over the past 10 years is shi*e.
5/2! Well you obviously ain't got that much faith!

I can't provide proof, but like I said, on here there is a search facility here.
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Post by nickd »

Benn > Hamed

Not even close.
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Post by Miuna »

Benn > Warren

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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 5/2! Well you obviously ain't got that much faith!

I can't provide proof, but like I said, on here there is a search facility here.
Save your energy James, this plonker is Lirva under an AKA - that's right, the same joker who posted a bet on here that Tszyu would destroy Hatton, then fled the forum rather than pay up. And sneaks back on under another name - same old song though.

And now wants to place another bet with us on Hatton losing?? No shame :roll:
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Post by Greg Nicholas »

Benn and Warren are both strong minded individuals and i knew they'd clash again, like they did in may 88 and feb 95.. and because Benn is strong minded i knew he'd end up in a tension with Hamed, he wouldn't stand for Hamed's shit (kind of like Tyson not standing for Warren's shit)..
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MightyWarrior wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 5/2! Well you obviously ain't got that much faith!

I can't provide proof, but like I said, on here there is a search facility here.
Save your energy James, this plonker is Lirva under an AKA - that's right, the same joker who posted a bet on here that Tszyu would destroy Hatton, then fled the forum rather than pay up. And sneaks back on under another name - same old song though.

And now wants to place another bet with us on Hatton losing?? No shame :roll:

I know he is the same turd.

At least on betfair he can't weasel out of it.

However, his odds of 5/2 are hardly very generous considering that Hatton has 'zero chance' of winning, I was expecting 10-1 considering his towering confidence on this issue! I mean, according to him, Hatton's the biggest underdog since America invaved Grenada.
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search wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:You don't fit in anywhere as you are a moron.

Well seeing as I cannot recal a single person on here saying that Calzaghe would have beaten Roy Jones, you are clearly, as usual talking shite, Calzaghe himself even admitted he wouldn't have beaten Jones in his prime, so what are you on about. Show me one quote on here of someone saying he would have beaten Jones.....

As for Hatton, he has as good a chance of anyone out there of winning, but I'm sure if you conducted a poll on here, most people would make Floyd favourite.

So your point is?
Where is this 'large bet' then? I'm sure there is some way of tracking it on betfair. I can only hope if you have, that Hatton wins so that you lose a lot of money to go with the face you will lose after trumping loudly your absolute confidence in the result.

Me, I'm not much of a betting man, and the odds would have to be larger than 5/2 to interest me. I'm sure I can find someone offering better than that on Betfair.

you are wrong on both counts. i have read posts on this forum from people thinking calzaghe would beat jones.

hatton also has zero chance of winning and i have already placed a large bet on betfair and if you would like to bet I will give you 5/2 for hatton winning at betfair.

anybody who thinks hatton will beat mayweather please head over to betfair and i will match your bet.

when and where did calzaghe say jones would have beaten him? can you provide proof? calzaghe has talked sh*t about jones and been nothing but disrespectul to him. he is not whiter than white and his resume over the past 10 years is shi*e.
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search wrote:first of all that bet was settled a long time ago and im sure the poster in question will come on and verify it.

secondly if you go over to betfair now you will see that the best odds on hatton at the moment are just over 2/1 so you are actually getting much better odds. you will not get more than 5/2 anywhere and especially not eading up to the fight as the dumb mancs pile their money on hatton. (I will enjoy their hard earned).

also on betfair you can check the money placed on floyd. needless to say i have been lumping on already and can't wait to get more on closer to the fight.

also, i will not give higher than 5/2 as betting is all about value. hatton has no chance of beating floyd in a boxing match HOWEVER, he COULD hit floyd low as he did with tszyu (blatantly) or cut floyd with his elbow as he did to stephen smith or floyd could twist his ankle/knee. there are many variables and 10/1 is a laughable price to be giving against a "hook n hold" fighter like hatton who likes to foul his opponents.

Hatton also knows this so I would expect fouling from hatton in this fight. i do however think that floyd is mentally stronger than hatton and will overcome any fouling hatton tries.

at the end of the day, when hatton has lost this fight, i hope one thought that comes into everyones heads on this board is, "lirva is smiling right now and enjoying this!" :lol:
How come I just saw over 3 to 1 on betfair then?
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So, if I send a PM to 'don't call it a comeback', he'll tell me that the £500 bet is settled?
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