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Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 06:30
by Khaosai-Galaxy
Cripes there is a lot of ignorance here.
How on earth did you lot think fighters made weight before you read this?
Weight watchers?
How did you account for a fighter like Scott Harrisson putting on a stone in 24 hours after the weigh in?
Go away and do some research
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 06:42
by nickd
don't call it a comeback wrote:knockout wrote:agree with Nick.....
1500kcal isnt too bad and that list of food is no where near 1500kcal.
you could have a big mac for breakfast, lunch and dinner and still not hit 1500kcal.
eat properly and you could probably have 3 good meals.
1)porridge with banana
2)chicken breast and salad
3)chicken breast and salad
its 1500 calories over five days, including not eating at all for the last two
They're talking shit then, there's no way on earth he's only eating 500 calories a day for 3 days then eating nothing for two days. And supposedly training too? No chance.
When cutting weight/burning fat you can eat about 100 calories for every 1lb in bodyweight. Calzaghe could be removing the weight by eating about 1500 a day and still training. That's a much more likely scenario.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 07:13
by Khaosai-Galaxy
nickd wrote:don't call it a comeback wrote:knockout wrote:agree with Nick.....
1500kcal isnt too bad and that list of food is no where near 1500kcal.
you could have a big mac for breakfast, lunch and dinner and still not hit 1500kcal.
eat properly and you could probably have 3 good meals.
1)porridge with banana
2)chicken breast and salad
3)chicken breast and salad
its 1500 calories over five days, including not eating at all for the last two
They're talking shit then, there's no way on earth he's only eating 500 calories a day for 3 days then eating nothing for two days. And supposedly training too? No chance.
When cutting weight/burning fat you can eat about 100 calories for every 1lb in bodyweight. Calzaghe could be removing the weight by eating about 1500 a day and still training. That's a much more likely scenario.
I know fighters who barely touched a crumb of food for a week before a fight, if anything i think they are underplaying how little Joe eats to make the weight
As for fat burning???? who the fornicate really thinks they are trying to burn fat, you ignorant prole
Weight and fat are 2 different things, kid
Thee isnt a fighter on earth outside the heavys who eats 1500 cals a day in the weeks leading up to a fight
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 07:18
by nickd
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:nickd wrote:don't call it a comeback wrote:
its 1500 calories over five days, including not eating at all for the last two
They're talking shit then, there's no way on earth he's only eating 500 calories a day for 3 days then eating nothing for two days. And supposedly training too? No chance.
When cutting weight/burning fat you can eat about 100 calories for every 1lb in bodyweight. Calzaghe could be removing the weight by eating about 1500 a day and still training. That's a much more likely scenario.
I know fighters who barely touched a crumb of food for a week before a fight, if anything i think they are underplaying how little Joe eats to make the weight
As for fat burning???? who the eff really thinks they are trying to burn fat, you ignorant prole
Weight and fat are 2 different things, kid
Thee isnt a fighter on earth outside the heavys who eats 1500 cals a day in the weeks leading up to a fight
I am talking tried and tested methods not speculating you nob. And I know the difference I was just pointing out what gym heads do when they're stripping fat off when they are cutting. I've done it many times myself.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 07:20
by Carbo
nickd wrote:don't call it a comeback wrote:knockout wrote:agree with Nick.....
1500kcal isnt too bad and that list of food is no where near 1500kcal.
you could have a big mac for breakfast, lunch and dinner and still not hit 1500kcal.
eat properly and you could probably have 3 good meals.
1)porridge with banana
2)chicken breast and salad
3)chicken breast and salad
its 1500 calories over five days, including not eating at all for the last two
They're talking shit then, there's no way on earth he's only eating 500 calories a day for 3 days then eating nothing for two days. And supposedly training too? No chance.
When cutting weight/burning fat you can eat about 100 calories for every 1lb in bodyweight. Calzaghe could be removing the weight by eating about 1500 a day and still training. That's a much more likely scenario.
Not if you've already lost every ounze that your body can naturally lose before eating itself and still need to shift, say, 7 pounds.
I've hear Calzaghe had a stone to lose in a week or two before the second Veit fight; so, if he had already been training and dieting like a demon for 5 weeks, but still had to shed 14 lbs, what do you think he'd have to go though?
1500 for 4 and a half days plus training may sound like the patented Auschwitz diet, but I really imagine there are plenty who have to do it in boxing.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 07:24
by Autobarn
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Cripes there is a lot of ignorance here.
How on earth did you lot think fighters made weight before you read this?
Weight watchers?
How did you account for a fighter like Scott Harrisson putting on a stone in 24 hours after the weigh in?
Go away and do some research
we know all about weight draining, starving, etc. calm down. the key thing is whether at 35 Calzaghe can continue to get away with it.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 07:25
by nickd
Carbo wrote:nickd wrote:don't call it a comeback wrote:
its 1500 calories over five days, including not eating at all for the last two
They're talking shit then, there's no way on earth he's only eating 500 calories a day for 3 days then eating nothing for two days. And supposedly training too? No chance.
When cutting weight/burning fat you can eat about 100 calories for every 1lb in bodyweight. Calzaghe could be removing the weight by eating about 1500 a day and still training. That's a much more likely scenario.
Not if you've already lost every ounze that your body can naturally lose before eating itself and still need to shift, say, 7 pounds.
I've hear Calzaghe had a stone to lose in a week or two before the second Veit fight; so, if he had already been training and dieting like a demon for 5 weeks, but still had to shed 14 lbs, what do you think he'd have to go though?
1500 for 4 and a half days plus training may sound like the patented Auschwitz diet, but I really imagine there are plenty who have to do it in boxing.
A lot of it can be lost through waterweight, your body is about 70% water so they say. Didn't realise Calzaghe was that tight at the weight.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 07:44
by MightyWarrior
While he wont be eating for those last two days, he wont be training either. Just resting up and waiting for that weigh in.
He's got zero reasons for making any of this up, it's well know he's near killed himself to make the weight for a few years now, but he's confident enough to admit this sort of thing to journos, without fearing he's giving Kessler any type of confidence boost.
As for a ready made excuse, no chance. Defeat is unthinkable for Calzaghe, just listen to him still unhappy about a decision against him in the amateurs nearly 20 years ago!
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 10:45
by Goz
Don't have that much sympathy for Calzaghe to be honest.
He should fight at a higher weight if it's that difficult.
Just trying to ensure his opposition is as small as possible.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 10:47
by Khaosai-Galaxy
Goz wrote:Don't have that much sympathy for Calzaghe to be honest.
He should fight at a higher weight if it's that difficult.
Just trying to ensure his opposition is as small as possible.
And from where, in that article, did you reason that Calzaghe was somehow looking for sympathy?
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 10:49
by jamesmcdonnell
Terry D wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Terry D wrote:
Apparently it is better to drink water as it passes right through.
Not when you are dehydrated. Your body will actually hoard it, which is why if you are dehydrated it can become very hard to shift weight. As soon as you take water on board, your body stores it in the muscle tissue and you get water retention.
Water is the easiest thing to shift quickly, and as it weighs a lot it can reduce weight dramatically. With modern weigh ins as well, a fighter has a lot more time to rehydrate, so if two or three liters of water can be shed and then regained, that's a lot of weight.
Yes but if you drink water throughout your training schedule how are you going to get dehydrated, surely the water prevents this?
A person who has had great results recommends water intake so I'm sure it must have benefits. As long as you plan the weight-shifting properly, and you are realistic, there is no reason to starve yourself or dehydrate yourself as you body will go into starvation mode and very little will come off.
Eat small amounts on a regular basis and drink plenty of water, even something as simple as having a bath can shift some of the weight for you if you plan properly and realistically.
I agree, I'm sure there are plenty of nutritionists out there who would disagree with Calzaghe's methods. Not saying he is wrong, but I would have thought there are, in many cases at least, other ways of gradually bringing weight down.
It may be that Calzaghe is just too big too make 168 any other way than totally dehydrating his body. Dehydration is so bad for your body though, and can cause permanent long term damage.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 11:22
by josh fg
Doesn't supprise me, his training will be becoming lighter at the moment so he can prbably do it on the calories though it'll not be much fun.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 11:52
by Autobarn
Galaxy's being a bit touchy. Is he another Sports Network employee or a friend of Calzaghe's or something?
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 12:04
by Goz
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Goz wrote:Don't have that much sympathy for Calzaghe to be honest.
He should fight at a higher weight if it's that difficult.
Just trying to ensure his opposition is as small as possible.
And from where, in that article, did you reason that Calzaghe was somehow looking for sympathy?
From where in my post do I suggest Calzaghe looking for sympathy?
To answer your question - I've bolded the most relevant comments:
When he is only a few feet away it's hard to miss the sunken features of a starving fighter. His ordeal is also evident when you hear the way some words stick at the back of his dry throat. "The weight's so tight I can't drink too much. I'm making sure I don't get dehydrated but every ounce is vital. The week of the fight is torture. I can have 500 calories a day from Monday to Wednesday. But on Thursday, the day before the weigh-in, and on Friday itself, I usually can't eat anything. Sometimes you can have a sliver - it depends how you do it.
"The alternative is to come in at 12st 4lb on the morning of the weigh-in. But shifting 4lb on the day can feel like you're trying to get blood out of a stone - but I'd often rather do that as it means I can eat something the day before. If I don't eat on the Thursday I usually come in 1lb over but I'm so weak that it's a killer to sweat it off in the sauna.