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Grant wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:for people who are'nt prize fighters must understand that boxing is a business, mundine needs to keep active be seen and (maybe not heard) choc is'nt the only fighter that takes easy fights they all do while they wait for a title shot or a fight thats worth money . I think he's doing the right thing by keeping active. spectators , fans , the public say he should fight "MR X" the fighters might think ok but promoters mangers and all asossciated with the fighter all got their hands out they need to eat so if theres not enough coin for everybody to be happy it's just good business to take easier fights for good money low over heads etc. Who wants to see a fight if danny or choc or anyone if they got 15 losses on his record to many losses causes the fighters perception of "super human" to be tarnished . its more exciting when someone 0 has to go because 1 fighter will lose the invicible tag. and its what promoters market to the public. prize fighting is so cruel to fighters if he loses once he's a loser and all the knockers come out with the 2 cents worth "I knew that would happen" "hes crap" etc . just let him do what fighters do if he keeps active and seen he'll get a crack a top guy soon and try understand what happens behind the scenes, in this game to many politics plenty of crooks and thugs .I too wish things could be easier ,OZ is fortunate to have a talent like choc and danny . enough gas bagging I'm just pasionate about this game and believe everyone deserve a good go if you think you can do better than the guys in there right now please strap the gloves on or put on your promoters /mangers hat and have a good go then u see from the fighters eyes its different standing inside the fire

I can see some of your points but Its just that Anthony keeps on talking about 'greatness'.
Perhaps a bit of acknowledgement that as a boxer he has done nothing that is anywhere near 'greatness' So far a very, very average 'Champion' at best.
His record speaks nothing above the ordinary as a boxer. And thats the fact, Jack

Grant wrote:

freedomfighter wrote:for people who are'nt prize fighters must understand that boxing is a business, mundine needs to keep active be seen and (maybe not heard) choc is'nt the only fighter that takes easy fights they all do while they wait for a title shot or a fight thats worth money . I think he's doing the right thing by keeping active. spectators , fans , the public say he should fight "MR X" the fighters might think ok but promoters mangers and all asossciated with the fighter all got their hands out they need to eat so if theres not enough coin for everybody to be happy it's just good business to take easier fights for good money low over heads etc. Who wants to see a fight if danny or choc or anyone if they got 15 losses on his record to many losses causes the fighters perception of "super human" to be tarnished . its more exciting when someone 0 has to go because 1 fighter will lose the invicible tag. and its what promoters market to the public. prize fighting is so cruel to fighters if he loses once he's a loser and all the knockers come out with the 2 cents worth "I knew that would happen" "hes crap" etc . just let him do what fighters do if he keeps active and seen he'll get a crack a top guy soon and try understand what happens behind the scenes, in this game to many politics plenty of crooks and thugs .I too wish things could be easier ,OZ is fortunate to have a talent like choc and danny . enough gas bagging I'm just pasionate about this game and believe everyone deserve a good go if you think you can do better than the guys in there right now please strap the gloves on or put on your promoters /mangers hat and have a good go then u see from the fighters eyes its different standing inside the fire

I can see some of your points but Its just that Anthony keeps on talking about 'greatness'.
Perhaps a bit of acknowledgement that as a boxer he has done nothing that is anywhere near 'greatness' So far a very, very average 'Champion' at best.
His record speaks nothing above the ordinary as a boxer. And thats the fact, Jack

2doggs wrote:Apparently Mundine and Green are certain for a rematch some time next year at light heavy.

Any thoughts?

jezzamundo wrote:Let me first state that I am a big Green fan and not a Mundine fan.

However, I believe that to say Mundine is nothing special, or average, is completely wrong. I agree that his achievements are nothing exceptional, and that he is a questionable world champ. However, I also think that his achievements are no where near as good as they could/should be. He was just ahead of Ottke when he was stopped, and was very inexperienced at the time. His loss to Siaca I attribute greatly to Choc's injured ankle, which was clearly affecting him, he would easily beat Siaca if he was even 90%. His loss to Kessler was a genuine defeat against a formidable opponent, he lost a clear decision. Now his (self inflicted) eye injury may stop him from achieving his potential - I believe Mundine should go down to middleweight, where I think he would beat Pavlik, Taylor and Wright (although they may move to 168lb), which would make him a clear P4P top 10.

Interesting point: If Green beats Drews he will have done something that Mundine has never done - winning a legitimate world title outright (not a vacated title, not a title with a super champ above him).

I think you misunderstood me, I am refering to his acheivements in the ring as being average and far below what i believe he can achieve. (he must step up) he won a vacant world title first up and lost it in his second defence to a guy who no one would call great. This title is a paper title no doubt. I just want him to say something like "i have a long way to go to be great" this title is bogus. He is capable of much more. I won't pay for this fight, no way it is not worthy of my hard earned.

p4p1 wrote:i dont have a huge problem with mundine fighing a sub-standard fighter in this bout for 2 reasons 1 its not the real world title and 2 i think he should be givin the chance to fight a easy7 tune-up fight to see how his eye is and wether or not he can still fight as well as he needs to to be a top fighter in his division

thunderfromdownunder wrote:in a perfect world, clazaghe would fight bute, and mundine and froch would fight for the right to face the winner.

toppity wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:in a perfect world, clazaghe would fight bute, and mundine and froch would fight for the right to face the winner.

Calzaghe is already talking of moving up to light heavy to fight Hopkins or RJJ. He only has a little time left (his comment), so he is looking for the big bucks.

Marlin wrote:^Didn't you get the memo? Clavero was just instated as the WBA #15...

razor7 wrote:P4P1 is right in this case with Mundine. Given his eye & the need to see if it will affect him Clavero, while substandard is fair enough. It's just that his career is littered with too many 'Claveros".It's like the boy who cried wolf.I'll give him one more chance. The next opponent must be credible.