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mick t wrote:hes not perfect but he does his best..
He's not perfect but he does his best???? and that's good enough for you???


Jaysus my sh1t this morning was not perfect but I tried my best - does that mean i can get a well paid job as a a boxing commentator???
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Ant Evans wrote:Buncie is the best in the biz. I'm not a huge fan of those shirts he insists on wearing, but his knowledge of boxing is second to none in punditry. He was the best thing about Sky's coverage back in 1999-2001, best thing about BBC's coverage and now best thing about Setanta's coverage.

Jim Watt used to be well worth listening to, but he looks bored to tears doing the never ending swimming baths circuit on Sky. It must be next to impossible to feign excitment for your 37th Ian Napa or Martin Power fight, I guess.

Nicky "Member of MENSA" Piper is just awful. Please, please retire Nicky. And if you must bore people half to death, do it in your own home.

Johnny Nelson is like having a 7 year old on who has OD'd on Red Bul in your front rooml. If only he'd worked himself up even half as much for his own fights as he does for a card which barely attracts 60 paying customers maybe suicide rates would have been lower during his "world" title reign.

Barry McGuigan? That he needed extensive notes - and I mean page after page - of notes from Bob Mee and to steal Buncie's knowledge at Sky says it all, really? Who else? Duke "OH HE IS FINISHED WITH EVERY SHOT" McKenzie? LOL!
Unless Mee's notes says "you could see Joe blogs getting tired in the 7th round" or "Fighter A is hurting Fighter B to the body" - then notes doesn't say it all.... We have had this conversation before I believe. I don't think US TV have flown Bob aswell as McGuigan. Was Bob used on Setanta's show where McGuigan picked up Bunce's faults.

I partially agree with your views on Nelson - I think his tone is fine, but I cannot help thinking "Your a bit of a hypocrit" with some of the comments Johnny says.

Nicky is alright, not great but doesn't do any harm. Holds his own - used to come to life more when Lennox was fighting. Not exciting telly granted, but not cringe worthy also.... bit like Glen McCory.

Jim Watt is criminally underused at Sky - He IS the best in the business, in the world - the only one who comes close is Teddy Atlas in the States. Why is Jim only used for Commentary on the main event (and thats it) these days is beyond me. The more Jim the better as far as I am concerned. The Friday Night Shows would be much better and much cheaper if they only had Jim as the expert.

Bunce is better when Paul Dempsey is their controlling things - and when he was at Sky I did like him alot. Since then, aside from his VERY GOOD documentary segments at the Beeb - he's been a characture of himself and its been more about him than the boxing. He spends a good five minutes of fighting analysis talking about "his mate" Bob Sheridan if he is doing the commentary - and how he talks so much.

No doubt he has more knowledge than most of us here combined - and I am sure more than Watt on some aspects of the game. But Watt shows his knowledge of the time - doesn't make comments like "lets hope Ricky gets a cut, trust me that what we all want to see". Or that Clinton Woods was pretty poor in the first meeting with Gonzales and that the reason they are fighting is so that he can set the record straight!!!

Get Bob Mee on the mic for some of these bigger events. That man is the second best British analyser IMO. He is like an encyclopedia and he's not big headed about it, but displays that knowledge all the time and knows how to read a fight.

Merely my take.
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Lol
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Can't forget Mee and Holdsworth commentating on an entire French title fight with the fighters the wrong way round. So we had round after round of the "young prospect is in trouble", "the journeyman opponent looks the better fighter" etc.

When the scores were being read out and realised their mistake when the journeyman raised his hand, there was a silence and then

"So after the break some featherweight action"...Classic.
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Terry D wrote:I like Bunce as a writer and pundit, I just felt he was shite the other night and hope it is not the start of a new direction for him when it comes to punditry.
A la Barry McGuigan of course.

What annoys me is that Buncey patronizes his TV audience by dumbing down the complexity of a situation to make it more simple and stereotypical.

It's as if he's been told (or taken upon himself to think) that he is trying to reach out to non-boxing fans to try to include them. That, imho, only serves to lesson the value of a sport that is most attractive because of its complexities.

I suppose it's a hangover from recent presentation themes from BBC Sport from all their sporting coverage. The horse racing stuff is cringeworthy for instance.
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yiddo14 wrote: He also slagged off Danny Dyer the other day on some crappy ITV 3 show the other day, which will only endear him to me!
I'm finished with Bunce now, how dare he slag off the living legend Danny Dyer! :box:
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yiddo14 wrote: He also slagged off Danny Dyer the other day on some crappy ITV 3 show the other day, which will only endear him to me!
I'm finished with Bunce now, how dare he slag off the living legend Danny Dyer! :box:
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yiddo14 wrote: He also slagged off Danny Dyer the other day on some crappy ITV 3 show the other day, which will only endear him to me!
I'm finished with Bunce now, how dare he slag off the living legend Danny Dyer! :box:
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Ant Evans wrote:Buncie is the best in the biz. I'm not a huge fan of those shirts he insists on wearing, but his knowledge of boxing is second to none in punditry. He was the best thing about Sky's coverage back in 1999-2001, best thing about BBC's coverage and now best thing about Setanta's coverage.

Jim Watt used to be well worth listening to, but he looks bored to tears doing the never ending swimming baths circuit on Sky. It must be next to impossible to feign excitment for your 37th Ian Napa or Martin Power fight, I guess.

Nicky "Member of MENSA" Piper is just awful. Please, please retire Nicky. And if you must bore people half to death, do it in your own home.

Johnny Nelson is like having a 7 year old on who has OD'd on Red Bul in your front rooml. If only he'd worked himself up even half as much for his own fights as he does for a card which barely attracts 60 paying customers maybe suicide rates would have been lower during his "world" title reign.

Barry McGuigan? That he needed extensive notes - and I mean page after page - of notes from Bob Mee and to steal Buncie's knowledge at Sky says it all, really? Who else? Duke "OH HE IS FINISHED WITH EVERY SHOT" McKenzie? LOL!
Yeah but it's not Watt's fault if the bill is crap - he outclasses Bunce in EVERY department, that's the truth.

If it's a dud bill, then Jim will look a bit unenthused, which is right enough, whereas Bunce will try to have you believe it's Frazier/Ali 3 - in other words, he's full of bullshite.

But if it's a mega fight, then Jim is your man - we don't need Bunce hyping it to the skys, we already know it's a serious fight.

You can trust Watt's judgement completely, whereas with Bunce, you take it all with a pinch, no bucket, of salt.

His style of commentary is boxing for idiots ( TRUST ME!! ) yeah right

Completely agree with your take of Nelson though.
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Post by DavidPayne »

"Lets get this right"

He's fab. OK, bit of a self-parody, but he's compelling telly and one of the key energies through boxing's darker days.
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Let's get this right, I do actually like Bunce, he's obviously a boxing man till the day he dies. But would prefer him held back a bit, rather than dominating proceedings for hours on end.

How many words did Clinton get it the other night?

"Yeah but...."

"And...."

"Thing is Steve....."

Dempsey: "Another expresso Steve?"
Clinton: "No!!"
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Ant Evans wrote:Buncie is the best in the biz. I'm not a huge fan of those shirts he insists on wearing, but his knowledge of boxing is second to none in punditry. He was the best thing about Sky's coverage back in 1999-2001, best thing about BBC's coverage and now best thing about Setanta's coverage.

Jim Watt used to be well worth listening to, but he looks bored to tears doing the never ending swimming baths circuit on Sky. It must be next to impossible to feign excitment for your 37th Ian Napa or Martin Power fight, I guess.

Nicky "Member of MENSA" Piper is just awful. Please, please retire Nicky. And if you must bore people half to death, do it in your own home.

Johnny Nelson is like having a 7 year old on who has OD'd on Red Bul in your front rooml. If only he'd worked himself up even half as much for his own fights as he does for a card which barely attracts 60 paying customers maybe suicide rates would have been lower during his "world" title reign.

Barry McGuigan? That he needed extensive notes - and I mean page after page - of notes from Bob Mee and to steal Buncie's knowledge at Sky says it all, really? Who else? Duke "OH HE IS FINISHED WITH EVERY SHOT" McKenzie? LOL!

Mr Evans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very good, I concur! :TU:

However Jim Watt just bores the socks off me I'm afraid, even if it is his FIRST Ian Napa fight!

best wishes, keep up the good work

"T.M.K"



ps: does anyone else remember Neville Brown and his "To Lennox Lewis, this fight was like a game of chess" every 2 minutes? :lol: He said that as often as Duke McKenzie says "He's finished" or "Incredible!!!"....
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Post by Chambers2 »

Buncey is a great pundit for the casual fan (which will be the majority of the viewers), but it looks like his inacurracies/exaggerations wind up some of us know all cants
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Ant Evans wrote:Buncie is the best in the biz. I'm not a huge fan of those shirts he insists on wearing, but his knowledge of boxing is second to none in punditry. He was the best thing about Sky's coverage back in 1999-2001, best thing about BBC's coverage and now best thing about Setanta's coverage.

Jim Watt used to be well worth listening to, but he looks bored to tears doing the never ending swimming baths circuit on Sky. It must be next to impossible to feign excitment for your 37th Ian Napa or Martin Power fight, I guess.

Nicky "Member of MENSA" Piper is just awful. Please, please retire Nicky. And if you must bore people half to death, do it in your own home.

Johnny Nelson is like having a 7 year old on who has OD'd on Red Bul in your front rooml. If only he'd worked himself up even half as much for his own fights as he does for a card which barely attracts 60 paying customers maybe suicide rates would have been lower during his "world" title reign.

Barry McGuigan? That he needed extensive notes - and I mean page after page - of notes from Bob Mee and to steal Buncie's knowledge at Sky says it all, really? Who else? Duke "OH HE IS FINISHED WITH EVERY SHOT" McKenzie? LOL!
Here we go again, the legend in his own mind, slagging off established world class fighters.

Your jealousy is so evident in these posts.

Pity no one wants to listen to you.
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Ant Evans wrote:Buncie is the best in the biz. I'm not a huge fan of those shirts he insists on wearing, but his knowledge of boxing is second to none in punditry. He was the best thing about Sky's coverage back in 1999-2001, best thing about BBC's coverage and now best thing about Setanta's coverage.

Jim Watt used to be well worth listening to, but he looks bored to tears doing the never ending swimming baths circuit on Sky. It must be next to impossible to feign excitment for your 37th Ian Napa or Martin Power fight, I guess.

Nicky "Member of MENSA" Piper is just awful. Please, please retire Nicky. And if you must bore people half to death, do it in your own home.

Johnny Nelson is like having a 7 year old on who has OD'd on Red Bul in your front rooml. If only he'd worked himself up even half as much for his own fights as he does for a card which barely attracts 60 paying customers maybe suicide rates would have been lower during his "world" title reign.

Barry McGuigan? That he needed extensive notes - and I mean page after page - of notes from Bob Mee and to steal Buncie's knowledge at Sky says it all, really? Who else? Duke "OH HE IS FINISHED WITH EVERY SHOT" McKenzie? LOL!
you don't think much of Sky, eh? what's the alternative - sit there like a geek hunched over your PC for the next Wlad fight at 2ndsout? come on, where's the advert
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Post by WildWaylon »

I like Buncey, the Alexei Sayle of boxing - Very entertaining and very annoying at times but good to have on the show - My wife thinks hes very funny - Lines like going for the gonads, and thats every LH going back 200 years have got to have you smiling - Being contraversial is his trademark - He does talk bollocks at times but he does know his game as well - They made a mistake making him a lead presenter a few weeks ago but his role in the studio giving his opinion is what he does best - Fair play to the big man he helps to keep boxing alive with all his various contributions.
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Post by oliverfennell »

stujones wrote:I partially agree with your views on Nelson - I think his tone is fine, but I cannot help thinking "Your a bit of a hypocrit" with some of the comments Johnny says.
If, by this, you mean his analysis of a fight vis a vis his own fighting style, it doesn't make him a hypocrite to, for example, criticise a fighter's lack of aggression. He had his own style which, while not appreciated by many, clearly worked for him (the numbers speak for themselves). He is quite within his rights to criticise another fighter's strategy if he thinks they could/should be doing something differently.
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Post by DavidPayne »

I just wish Johnny would sort out the physical tick, that makes him swing his microphone lead over his knee as though he's about to belt out "It started with a kiss, never though it would come to this"
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Right, here we go lads. See if you can do your top five/ten/whatever of UK boxing pundits. By this, I don't mean lead commentators - I mean colour/analysis men. I will have forgotten some so please feel free to include your own.

Runners and riders:

Steve Bunce
Jim Watt
Johnny Nelson
Nicky Piper
Duke McKenzie
Barry McGuigan
Bob Mee
Glenn McCrory

Include no more than a few brief words for each explaining your choice.
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Post by T.M.K »

Gents,

let us all remember that we all liked different guys commentating/analysing the same way we all like different foods or drinks. Let us also remember that even though we may love curry or pizza, some nights you say to yourself "no! Tonight I don't like it so I want something else".

EVERY commentator and analyser has good nights and bad nights. In BM both Farhood and Houston are great writers, but every so often I read a peice and think "Maybe Farhood was hung-over when he wrote this as it lacks his usual razzamatazz" - same with Houston.

But surely EVERYONE liked that moment near the end of the Haye-Maccarinelli talks when Buncey kind of lost his professionalism (if you want to use that phrase, and dont mind a bit of pure enthusiasm) and said something like:

"It's such a shame this fight can't happen couldn't it? OH COME ON ENZ - PLEEEAAASSSE"

I creased up! :lol: :TU: :lol:

best wishes

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Evans is clearly acting like a mardy little git, increasingly so.

Sky Sports has become a bit of a budget program, have let some great Euro and Afro talents slip away and lose marks for not bringing us Haye-Mormeck. The latter is sad in particular because Sky showed us all haye's EBU title fights and the fights that got him WBC rankings at cruiser & heavy.

But they have kept British boxing going at the grassroots level, including some great domestic scraps (Johanesson-Gome anyone?), have brought us coverage of many guys who look like the future of British boxing (Truscott, Appleby,. Murray, Barker...whom they're televising tomorrow). And we have had some big US fights, though not lots of them.

Despite being a bit low rent, they are in thrall to no promoter. They haven't got Frank W pulling their puppet strings and the quality of their commentary/studio work is peerless.
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oliverfennell wrote:
stujones wrote:I partially agree with your views on Nelson - I think his tone is fine, but I cannot help thinking "Your a bit of a hypocrit" with some of the comments Johnny says.
If, by this, you mean his analysis of a fight vis a vis his own fighting style, it doesn't make him a hypocrite to, for example, criticise a fighter's lack of aggression. He had his own style which, while not appreciated by many, clearly worked for him (the numbers speak for themselves). He is quite within his rights to criticise another fighter's strategy if he thinks they could/should be doing something differently.
Yes that true, but sometimes he has been critical of a fighter who looks to have adopted a similar approach to his own.
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DavidPayne wrote:I just wish Johnny would sort out the physical tick, that makes him swing his microphone lead over his knee as though he's about to belt out "It started with a kiss, never though it would come to this"
And how he straddles a folding chair like Ali G. "There's a reason me gotta sit like this, trust me"
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Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Right, here we go lads. See if you can do your top five/ten/whatever of UK boxing pundits. By this, I don't mean lead commentators - I mean colour/analysis men. I will have forgotten some so please feel free to include your own.

Runners and riders:

Steve Bunce
Jim Watt
Johnny Nelson
Nicky Piper
Duke McKenzie
Barry McGuigan
Bob Mee
Glenn McCrory

Include no more than a few brief words for each explaining your choice.
1) Jim Watt - The best, articulate, reads the psychology, enthusiastic and clear.

2) Bob Mee - So knowledgable, not patronising with his knowledge - reads a fight so much better than Holdsworth IMO - would like to see him with Rawling on ITV/Setanta.

3)Barry - Similar to Watt, not quite as good - much better when away from SN.

4) Richie Woodhall - Good knowledge, clear and passionate.

5) Johnny Nelson - Decent, can do the commentary side of it aswell - good reading of a fight - sometimes a bad scorer (IMO).

6) Nicky - Inoffensive, works better on the big shows when there is 3 experts cause he often differs his opinion.

7) Glen - As Nicky, on a par.

8) Bunce - Let the others have a say. Why say 3 words when 1,000 will do.

9) Duke - Okay Bunce, you can talk over squeeky. Actually, Duke is okay in the studio.. Just adds very little and he just seems quite bored when in the studio.
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I rated Claud Abrams when he was on BBC. He was a stoic and informed counterpoint to Bunce's 'shouting tomato' persona.
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