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Terry D wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Terry D wrote: Taking one half each of a potentially great fighters career does not a great trainer make. Ray Leonard did most of his work with a coach whose name escapes me, Dundee was the fine tuner, but was that coach great? Is Pepe Correa?

Forbes-Hopkins had some nip and tuck rounds and Mayweather tells his charge they are going to steal it from him between rounds in a negative, "don't bother manner", and that is good work? Not in my book.

Floyd Senior did little for Oscar in my opinion. His in-fight corner work again left a lot to be desired and although he has worked with good names how many of those names moved on? Genius, if he was, is difficult but you work with it rather than walking away.

Do you think Floyd Senior is on a par with Manny? Steward trained Hearns from the start. Gave Holyfield the second Bowe fight. Turned Lewis into a different fighter, plus Lewis is also a great one. He worked with Moorer when Moorer was a decent fighter. He is currently getting Cintron performing above his level. Trained Breland. McCall, gave him the Lewis win in fact. A whole host of names testify for Steward, he can turn a big lump like Wlad into a more rounded fighter. He is far better as a trainer.

Floyd is a gem, only an idiot could go wrong with him. Floyd Senior and Roger are not outstanding trainers, their surname got them everything. Floyd could sack Roger tonight and still fight well, arguably he would be better placed as he won't have to worry about his uncle's behaviour.

Floyd does not seem to listen in the corner and when he does it is to Leonard and not Roger. You get a limited amount of words you can use and Roger uses half of them to say "mufferfooker" rather than impart advice.

Floyd also got himself through his biggest crisis.

I don't think a fighters born. The best fighters have learnt their trade from many a place. Mayweather Jr would not be the fighter he is today without Sr and Roger. A boxing family helps, they can impart all their knowledge and build on their failures. Floyd likely is not more naturallt talented than Roger, but he has ofcourse built his game to a higher level than Roger. Honestly there are many fighters with as good or better natural ability as Floyd, Zab Judah springs to mind.

The thing that mystyfys me is Floyd's 'I never watch boxing tapes' comment. True or False. Because Floyd sometimes looks like a carbon copy of the Argeninian defensive genius of the 70s Loche.

Rogers corner work may not be the best BUT cornerwork is only 1 part of a great trainer. Prepping a fighter and working on his weaknesses is another that I'm sure Roger does well.

What would you say was Floyds biggest crisis? Corley? Castillo (Broke ribs)?

I find it very interesting that the Mayweathers keep their REAL TRAINING behind closed doors. I suppose sparing maybe a good idea to keep there in case it exposes a weakness or 2.

How good is Steward? Recently I don't think hes been too good at all and maybe its that I'm sure hes great at teaching a few things but he always grabs the best talent and that makes it allot easier. Yes he had Hearns from the start but Kronk was packed with talent and Hearns was a freak of nature at 147-154. I think Steward maybe great at teaching powerful right handers and good 1-2 boxing but how good is he as a whole?

Stewards recent proteges are Wlad, Cintron, Harris and Taylor. All wonderfully talented but Taylor and Contron have performed very poorly recently and Wlad and Harris collapsed because of poor conditioning. Cintron was supposed to look terrible last time out and will probably lose to Williams next time.

So how good is Steward? It is hard to fail when you have a talent pool as deep as his. BUT Wlad and Lewis were already world champions. All he did for those fighters was to tell them to keep a tight guard and be careful not to get countered.

McGirt was touted as a top trainer a few years ago. Now hes been shown up to be pretty terrible. Trying to get Gatti to box against Mayweather helping Tarver lose his big 1 and trying to turn Brewster into a skilled boxer.

All in all I don't know how good the Mayweathers are as trainers, they could be amazing or they could have got lucky.

I find him very different than Locche. Locche was a compact little guy who would cover, block, stay in range then fire his own hooks off. Toney is cloest to him in recent years for me, only Toney does his best work with straighter shots when in his pomp.

Floyd was not born the way he was and his uncles, Jeff also, helped him, as did his dad, but he is the one who took their styles and synthesised them into something special.

I'm not sure how much Roger does, the guy seems all over the place and Floyd looks to be his own conditioning coach. Behind closed doors is when they do their sparring but the pad work hardly looks special.

Some trainers, Oliver Harrison over here, set-up a sequence of punches then give their fighters proper scope to hit them rather than him tapping the fighter. It is much better in my opinion than the current tapping vogue.

Stewards results speak for themselves in my opinion. He came in and turned McCall into heavyweight title holder. He then showed Lewis how to iron out his kinks, not just 1-2 but getting the hook off the 1-2, Lewis did this best against Morrison.

His gym may have been packed with talent but he must have impressed as the fighters elected to stay with him and went to his gym in the early days.

I think he improved Lewis a great deal and even managed to get some urgency into him between rounds at times.

Wlad he has done wonders for, keeping him in the Peter fight by showing him basic things, in other words holding.

Cintron looked poor last time but no one would have expected the power punching and tight hitting we got against Mathysse.

As a trainer his body of work is better than Roger or Floyd Senior's.

McGirt does seem overrated. People thought Gatti was Ali under McGirt but look at the level Gatti could box and jab at, above that he was made to look hopelessly inept against Floyd.

I thought Floyd's biggest crisis came when he damaged his hand, took a count and was plainly in trouble with 6 rounds or so left. He was tough that night, plus he was also tough in the fight with Augustus.

Floyd is a fighter, to use a phrase, right down to the souls of his boots.

Spreadking wrote:I like how Ricky says he has never run from any fighter.

I do remember that night he sexually molested Juan Urango to avoid being hit.

Baldomir isn't able to duplicate the holding and hitting that Hatton will bring to the ring.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Spreadking wrote:I like how Ricky says he has never run from any fighter.

I do remember that night he sexually molested Juan Urango to avoid being hit.

Baldomir isn't able to duplicate the holding and hitting that Hatton will bring to the ring.

Ricky doesn't run in a fight, he just runs from Junior Witter

The real question is does Hatton really think all Mayweather is planning to back up, roll, and throw a few shots? He talks like he thinks Mayweather has no offensive plans of his own.

dbf wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Spreadking wrote:I like how Ricky says he has never run from any fighter.

I do remember that night he sexually molested Juan Urango to avoid being hit.

Baldomir isn't able to duplicate the holding and hitting that Hatton will bring to the ring.

Ricky doesn't run in a fight, he just runs from Junior Witter

The real question is does Hatton really think all Mayweather is planning to back up, roll, and throw a few shots? He talks like he thinks Mayweather has no offensive plans of his own.

Agreed. I think he is underestimating Mayweathers power, which could do some damage if he connects frequently

stujones wrote:Oscar definately regressed under Floyd Snr IMO... Obviously the fighter has got to take most of the flack - but the only time he looked fat in his career was with Floyd Snr in his camp.

Oscar best was in his early days - was it Alcazzar? and Gill Clancy on board. He seemed better with Roach than under Floyd.

Have to say though, I was really impressed with Guzman vs Soto - he looks to have improved immensely under the tutorlidge of Floyd.

MightyWarrior wrote:Floyd has the reputation in the trade for always training like a demon. He's got the party boy rep, but he's deadly serious when it comes time to to get in shape.

I reckon he hits hard enough to drop Hatton if he walks on to one, especialy if it's one of those fast shots he doesn't see coming.
Oscar was definitely stunned enough to keep him honest when the smaller man connected, which says a lot.

Main worry for Ricky might be cuts, lets hope not.

dbf wrote:

stujones wrote:Oscar definately regressed under Floyd Snr IMO... Obviously the fighter has got to take most of the flack - but the only time he looked fat in his career was with Floyd Snr in his camp.

Oscar best was in his early days - was it Alcazzar? and Gill Clancy on board. He seemed better with Roach than under Floyd.

Have to say though, I was really impressed with Guzman vs Soto - he looks to have improved immensely under the tutorlidge of Floyd.

I don't think he regressed under mayweather. The Vargas performance was excellent, he had a very good showing against Hopkins, and a good comeback win over Mayorga.

As Floyd Snr stated for the Sturm fight, he did his part as Oscar went the full 12, but it was his strength/conditioning coach and Oscar himself who was to blame for the pudgy appearance.

Kilburn wrote:What a cracking piece of telly that was.

Ricky's impression of Mayweathers padwork was hilarious. "Please hit me like that". Brilliant.