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Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:30**

lol at Williams.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:30**

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
DG. wrote:
overhand_right wrote:DLH was never hurt against Mayweather, thats wishful thinking.

Hatton certainly wont be. Hattons gonna chew this boy up!!
????

Sorry mate, DLH was staggered 'badly' by PBF!

Hmm, I don't think he was. Certainly didn't see this live at the venue or on DVD. What round?

Maybe the 5th?

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:33**

DG. wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
DG. wrote: ????

Sorry mate, DLH was staggered 'badly' by PBF!

Hmm, I don't think he was. Certainly didn't see this live at the venue or on DVD. What round?
Cheers

Maybe the 5th?

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:36**

HairyBoxe24 wrote:
DIRT SUGAR wrote:DLH's terrible condition? Geez. He must have been in some kind of shape to fight 12 rounds. Two very skillful, thinking fighters trying to work each other out, makes for a tiring fight.

Don't care what anyone says, just see Hatton getting outboxed that's all. And remember how long it took him to subdue a 35-year-old Tszyu.
Yes it was pretty terrible conditiong for 2 of the 3 biggest fighters in the past 20 years.

Hatton will work at twice a pace of DLH, and that's a fact.. out boxed or not.

Delahoya was throwing 60punches a round early and 40-50 late, since when does Hatton throw more than that? Delahoya is also 5inches taller and has 5inches more reach than Hatton. Delahoya also has faster hands and has more powerful power shots. Delahoya also has a better jab than Hatton that he used more

And Delahoya only won 3 rounds anyway. Watch the fight again without scoring Delahoyas missed punches

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:37**

I'll throw one in here.

Did DLH maintain maximum effort over the last four?

Did DLH tire?

Did DLH think PBF was more valuable to him with an unbeaten record?

Did Mayweather simply wait for DLH to tire, rather than actually being outboxed?

The thing that gives me hope is Mayweather's coasting and the fact DeMarcus Corley buzzed him to his boots in the fourth or fifth.

Hatton may get stunned more than once, but I think if he's still in the fight going into 7-8 rounds, i.e. he's won one or two rounds. Then Mayweather better be in tip top shape. Hatton isn't discouraged, will be a combination of strength, conditioning and speed Mayweather hasn't faced before.

Mayweather is breathtaking. Fantastic. He also didn't fight Freitas, Mosley, Tszyu, Hatton, Forrest and Winky on the way through.

He's taken some tough fights, but I'd counter he's taken some carefully selected fights against worn, tired or shot fighters.

DLH, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Gatti. How many fresh, confident, fit, brilliantly conditioned sharks are there in that list?

Hatton is not NDou, a flat footed stalker who throws wide shots, nor is he Baldomor, a big lug, with poor movement and slow arms. Nor is he DLH, shrewd but old with poor stamina. Nor is he Gatti, a tired, worn old warhorse who tried to outbox Mayweather, nor his he Mitchell, a shot-to-shit light-welterweight pretending to be a welterweight. Nor is he Judah, a badly focused choker.

Hatton has terrific balance, foot speed, arsenal of punches, self belief, conditioning and a body attack few can match. I don't want Ricky to crowd Floyd, I want him ducking the lead and staying in punching range, use his low centre of gravity to his advantage. Mayweather holds close, has one hand over his face and backs up. Hatton doesn't want to be too close, because the ref will interfere and his work will be clumsy and he wont have the room for combinations. Just out of distance, under MAYWEATHER's lead and in to land 2 or 3 shots to anything he can hit. Then out the side door.

If he just bowls in throwing one lunging shot and then crowds, hugs, tries to rough Mayweather up, it wont work, Mayweather will be gone and clip him as he leaves. I think he needs to try and force Mayweather to lead more than you might suspect would be best.

Sometimes I think of Barrera Hamed. It's totally different, Mayweather is far more cute than Hamed but Barrera stood him on his head by drawing the lead rather than burrowing in, as we all expected him to.

It's a subtle difference and there are better analysts and students of the science here than me who may disagree.

I just don't see Ricky winning by basically throwing himself at Mayweather in the way he did versus KT. They wont let Mayweather lose a street fight, he'll get more protection. Hatton needs to be cute. I think they will be, Graham, is a good student of opponents.

On the other hand if he loses and he hasn't gone ALL OUT with everything for every second, he may well kick himself for ever, what if?

I hope that helps the fella who started the thread.

Myweather 117-111 is a possible. But Hatton Split is my feeling.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:38**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote:
DIRT SUGAR wrote:DLH's terrible condition? Geez. He must have been in some kind of shape to fight 12 rounds. Two very skillful, thinking fighters trying to work each other out, makes for a tiring fight.

Don't care what anyone says, just see Hatton getting outboxed that's all. And remember how long it took him to subdue a 35-year-old Tszyu.
Yes it was pretty terrible conditiong for 2 of the 3 biggest fighters in the past 20 years.

Hatton will work at twice a pace of DLH, and that's a fact.. out boxed or not.
Delahoya was throwing 60punches a round early and 40-50 late, since when does Hatton throw more than that? Delahoya is also 5inches taller and has 5inches more reach than Hatton. Delahoya also has faster hands and has more powerful power shots. Delahoya also has a better jab than Hatton that he used more

And Delahoya only won 3 rounds anyway. Watch the fight again without scoring Delahoyas missed punches

And DLH was standing off of him, I said outwork.

That's all I said so don't know why you trying to give me a boxing lesson about god knows what else

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:43**

HairyBoxe24 wrote:
DG. wrote:
overhand_right wrote:DLH was never hurt against Mayweather, thats wishful thinking.

Hatton certainly wont be. Hattons gonna chew this boy up!!
????

Sorry mate, DLH was staggered 'badly' by PBF!

Staggered badly?

He was slightly caught by surprise a few times because of Flyds speed, he wasn't over 1% of danger of going down.

Actually Delahoya was staggered and hurt by a single Myaweather right at 1 stage. A follow up combo and Delahoya would have been down.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:44**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote:
DG. wrote: ????

Sorry mate, DLH was staggered 'badly' by PBF!

Staggered badly?

He was slightly caught by surprise a few times because of Flyds speed, he wasn't over 1% of danger of going down.
Actually Delahoya was staggered and hurt by a single Myaweather right at 1 stage. A follow up combo and Delahoya would have been down.

'Would of been down if'?

Argument over.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:54**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote:
DIRT SUGAR wrote:DLH's terrible condition? Geez. He must have been in some kind of shape to fight 12 rounds. Two very skillful, thinking fighters trying to work each other out, makes for a tiring fight.

Don't care what anyone says, just see Hatton getting outboxed that's all. And remember how long it took him to subdue a 35-year-old Tszyu.
Yes it was pretty terrible conditiong for 2 of the 3 biggest fighters in the past 20 years.

Hatton will work at twice a pace of DLH, and that's a fact.. out boxed or not.
Delahoya was throwing 60punches a round early and 40-50 late, since when does Hatton throw more than that? Delahoya is also 5inches taller and has 5inches more reach than Hatton. Delahoya also has faster hands and has more powerful power shots. Delahoya also has a better jab than Hatton that he used more

And Delahoya only won 3 rounds anyway. Watch the fight again without scoring Delahoyas missed punches

I actually scored the end result of the fight the same at the arena and on DVD. My scorecard was the same as Ian Darke's except for one round, I had it a draw.

Soz

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 11:58**

Okay David, you mention Mosley, Freitas, Tszyu, Hatton (happening), Forrest, and Winky.

And then you condem - Mayweather for fighting worn fighters? There is only "Fresh" one on your list... and he is fighting him.

Mayweather was a Light Middle for one fight and one fight alone - and he gets condemmed that he didn't fight Winky who was everybit as worn as Oscar (when's the last time he won a fight again) and also campaigning at Middleweight.

Forrest has hardly been fit these past few years and didn't he get beaten TWICE by Mayorga?

Its only these last 6 months or so Mosley has looked back to world class and in that period - Floyd is going to fight Hatton and Oscar.... must be because he is scared of him.

Baldomir was coming off a career best win, Judah is still in his 20's and showed he has something left vs Cotto. Mitchell, Gatti and DLH might have been worn - but the latter two didn't look it in their fight before. Thats why so many argue that Tszyu wasn't worn.

Freitas hasn't been the same fighter since hooking up with Oscar Suarez in 2000.

You could pick a few better examples than that - e.g. Cotto, Witter, Spinks, the wonderful Margarito.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:24**

So I missed off Cotto, Spinks, Margarito....the fighters I mentioned weren't old or shot at the times Floyd moved through the divisions.

Was it only money that prevented Floyd moving to 154 when Oscar was up there rather than pursue Wright?

Why didn't Mayweather move to 135 pounds when Mosley was there. Or 140 and fight Cotto, Hatton or Tszyu?
Why did he fight Judah, Mitchell and Gatti at 147, because they were all either old, shot, or small at the weight?

Mayweather is a great fighter, but this five weight tag is a bit of misnomer. How come DLH can now make 147 but couldn't for a Mayweather fight?

Mayweather like Jones is a fabulously gifted fighter, athlete and marketeer. And he's secured belts higher than his optimum weight.

But he's picked his challenges very astutely.

I'm just trying to make a case for Hatton. I think you can find holes in Mayweather's resume. There are big one's in Hatton's too. But the purpose was to make a case for a Hatton win. I am, on the grounds, Mayweather hasn't fought as LIVE a threat as Hatton for a long time, arguably, ever.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:31**

stujones wrote:Okay David, you mention Mosley, Freitas, Tszyu, Hatton (happening), Forrest, and Winky.

And then you condem - Mayweather for fighting worn fighters? There is only "Fresh" one on your list... and he is fighting him.

Mayweather was a Light Middle for one fight and one fight alone - and he gets condemmed that he didn't fight Winky who was everybit as worn as Oscar (when's the last time he won a fight again) and also campaigning at Middleweight.

Forrest has hardly been fit these past few years and didn't he get beaten TWICE by Mayorga?

Its only these last 6 months or so Mosley has looked back to world class and in that period - Floyd is going to fight Hatton and Oscar.... must be because he is scared of him.

Baldomir was coming off a career best win, Judah is still in his 20's and showed he has something left vs Cotto. Mitchell, Gatti and DLH might have been worn - but the latter two didn't look it in their fight before. Thats why so many argue that Tszyu wasn't worn.

Freitas hasn't been the same fighter since hooking up with Oscar Suarez in 2000.

You could pick a few better examples than that - e.g. Cotto, Witter, Spinks, the wonderful Margarito.

Forrest looks back to his best now, and his losses to Mayorga were attributed to shoulder issues which are now rectified. However, you're spot on. The winner of this should fight Cotto without a doubt to find out who the best Welter is.

Margarito I'm not convinced (he lost to Santos after all). Maybe Williams but Spinks would be a boring fight.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:31**

DIRT SUGAR wrote:DLH's terrible condition? Geez. He must have been in some kind of shape to fight 12 rounds. Two very skillful, thinking fighters trying to work each other out, makes for a tiring fight.

Don't care what anyone says, just see Hatton getting outboxed that's all. And remember how long it took him to subdue a 35-year-old Tszyu.

Oscar gassed after round 6. You are SUPPOSED to be able to fight 12 rounds, it's not a fekking accolade.

Floyd landed about 10 shots a round maximum in that fight, and didn't throw more than 15-20 shots a round at a guess.

Hatton uses the angles a lot better than Castillo, or for that matter Oscar does. He is very good at turning opponents and getting the angle for the body shots, and has very quick hands in close.

Maybe Hatton will get outboxed, but I am favouring Hatton more and more as the fight gets closer.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:42**

DavidPayne wrote:So I missed off Cotto, Spinks, Margarito....the fighters I mentioned weren't old or shot at the times Floyd moved through the divisions.

Was it only money that prevented Floyd moving to 154 when Oscar was up there rather than pursue Wright?

Why didn't Mayweather move to 135 pounds when Mosley was there. Or 140 and fight Cotto, Hatton or Tszyu?
Why did he fight Judah, Mitchell and Gatti at 147, because they were all either old, shot, or small at the weight?

Mayweather is a great fighter, but this five weight tag is a bit of misnomer. How come DLH can now make 147 but couldn't for a Mayweather fight?

Mayweather like Jones is a fabulously gifted fighter, athlete and marketeer. And he's secured belts higher than his optimum weight.

But he's picked his challenges very astutely.

I'm just trying to make a case for Hatton. I think you can find holes in Mayweather's resume. There are big one's in Hatton's too. But the purpose was to make a case for a Hatton win. I am, on the grounds, Mayweather hasn't fought as LIVE a threat as Hatton for a long time, arguably, ever.

Floyd was a Super Feather when Tszyu was on the sidelines.... Did he know that Tszyu was going to get injured? Tszyu came back for two forced matches and lost one of them.

Why didn't Floyd fight Shane when was at 135 - well 1) He was just a 3 year pro when Shane had moved up to 147. 2) Floyd was Super Featherweight not a lightweight at the brief period they were both champions. 3) Shane moved up to two devisions to go for the money option itself - it takes two to tango.

Wright was a Middleweight when Floyd had moved up to Welterweight and why should he face Winky when there was a much more maketable fight with DLH - a guy everybit as worn as Wright. Wright is getting up there in years too.

He fought Gatti at 140 lbs - for Gatti's WBC title. Yep, he could have fought Hatton and could have fought Cotto - thats really the only two big names who were live he hasn't fought... He is fighting one in December - can we just wait and see a little bit before righting him off not fighting Cotto.

Anyway, what happens if he would have beaten up Cotto at Light Welter- just beating up a Weight drained fighter I suppose?

No he hasn't - Hatton is argueably top 5 P4P material himself, you don't get much more live than that - Castillo, Corrales, Jesus Chavez were pretty much at the top of their game and like it or not, DLH's performance over Mayorga is probably among his top 3 best ones... and its only Tszyu's performance over Mitchell in the rematch is how we are basing how "unshot" he was.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:45**

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
stujones wrote:Okay David, you mention Mosley, Freitas, Tszyu, Hatton (happening), Forrest, and Winky.

And then you condem - Mayweather for fighting worn fighters? There is only "Fresh" one on your list... and he is fighting him.

Mayweather was a Light Middle for one fight and one fight alone - and he gets condemmed that he didn't fight Winky who was everybit as worn as Oscar (when's the last time he won a fight again) and also campaigning at Middleweight.

Forrest has hardly been fit these past few years and didn't he get beaten TWICE by Mayorga?

Its only these last 6 months or so Mosley has looked back to world class and in that period - Floyd is going to fight Hatton and Oscar.... must be because he is scared of him.

Baldomir was coming off a career best win, Judah is still in his 20's and showed he has something left vs Cotto. Mitchell, Gatti and DLH might have been worn - but the latter two didn't look it in their fight before. Thats why so many argue that Tszyu wasn't worn.

Freitas hasn't been the same fighter since hooking up with Oscar Suarez in 2000.

You could pick a few better examples than that - e.g. Cotto, Witter, Spinks, the wonderful Margarito.
Forrest looks back to his best now, and his losses to Mayorga were attributed to shoulder issues which are now rectified. However, you're spot on. The winner of this should fight Cotto without a doubt to find out who the best Welter is.

Margarito I'm not convinced (he lost to Santos after all). Maybe Williams but Spinks would be a boring fight.

I was actually being sarcastic about Margarito - just so fed up with people rating that two dimension puncher based on.... what I am still not sure. People calling him a more dangerous ask than DLH, a more dangerous ask than Judah - based on what... The ability to get outboxed?

Forrest didn't look very good getting a GIFT vs Quartey did he. Lets see him with a geniune Light Middleweight contender before judging quite how back to his best he is. Baldomir was "the man" at Welterweight, but he was never going to be that for long - and he's done nowt at Light Middle and is what... 36?

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:54**

stujones wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
stujones wrote:Okay David, you mention Mosley, Freitas, Tszyu, Hatton (happening), Forrest, and Winky.

And then you condem - Mayweather for fighting worn fighters? There is only "Fresh" one on your list... and he is fighting him.

Mayweather was a Light Middle for one fight and one fight alone - and he gets condemmed that he didn't fight Winky who was everybit as worn as Oscar (when's the last time he won a fight again) and also campaigning at Middleweight.

Forrest has hardly been fit these past few years and didn't he get beaten TWICE by Mayorga?

Its only these last 6 months or so Mosley has looked back to world class and in that period - Floyd is going to fight Hatton and Oscar.... must be because he is scared of him.

Baldomir was coming off a career best win, Judah is still in his 20's and showed he has something left vs Cotto. Mitchell, Gatti and DLH might have been worn - but the latter two didn't look it in their fight before. Thats why so many argue that Tszyu wasn't worn.

Freitas hasn't been the same fighter since hooking up with Oscar Suarez in 2000.

You could pick a few better examples than that - e.g. Cotto, Witter, Spinks, the wonderful Margarito.
Forrest looks back to his best now, and his losses to Mayorga were attributed to shoulder issues which are now rectified. However, you're spot on. The winner of this should fight Cotto without a doubt to find out who the best Welter is.

Margarito I'm not convinced (he lost to Santos after all). Maybe Williams but Spinks would be a boring fight.
I was actually being sarcastic about Margarito - just so fed up with people rating that two dimension puncher based on.... what I am still not sure. People calling him a more dangerous ask than DLH, a more dangerous ask than Judah - based on what... The ability to get outboxed?

Forrest didn't look very good getting a GIFT vs Quartey did he. Lets see him with a geniune Light Middleweight contender before judging quite how back to his best he is. Baldomir was "the man" at Welterweight, but he was never going to be that for long - and he's done nowt at Light Middle and is what... 36?

LMW is a barron landscape at the moment. That's why I'm suprised Floyd didn't try and unify at that weight against a nobody and then take another tough fight, but he does love his WBC belts. Props to him for taking on Hatton, but as mentioned above, the closer the fight gets the more I fancy Haton for this.

Floyd hasn't fought a pressure fighter as good as Hatton (both DLH and Castillo considered when making that statement) and Ricky loves being the under dog.

After all, not many thought Tarver would beat Jones in the second fight and look what happened.

As long as the winner fights Cotto, I'll be happy.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 12:55**

Terry D wrote:Forrest beat Ike closely but clearly, that is another matter though, and looked awesome against Baldomir. Floyd may have out-boxed but did so like a thief in the night at times.

Forrest gave him just a soupcon of movement then garnished him with highlight reel shots.

Fair enough, but lets give Floyd a chance - he cannot fight them all at the same time. Forrest has hardly been mister active for Floyd to fight him - neither has Floyd.... But I don't really begrudge Floyd for not fighting Forrest if it meant him fighting DLH and Hatton... and really, its only this last year that Forrest and Floyd have been both injury free and within touching distance weight wise.

I blooming said prior to the DLH vs Mayweather fight, that no matter what he does - he will face some criticism from some quarter. No Terry, I know you at this moment are not condeming him for not facing Forrest - but some are. And now Winky "last fight at Light Heavyweight" Wright.

The man started off as a Super Feather and now getting condemmed for not fighting more Light Middles, jesus.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 13:02**

Hatton doesn't exactly pressure a fighter behind a solid jab like De La Hoya did. Hatton's diving In with chin In the air will be figured out pressure.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 13:05**

Max Molyneux wrote:Hatton doesn't exactly pressure a fighter behind a solid jab like De La Hoya did. Hatton's diving In with chin In the air will be figured out pressure.

Oscar's feints and jabs were the key to any success he had. When he lost the jab (tiredness and/or change of tatics) Floyd pretty much dominated.

Ricky has got to be back to the old Ricky Hatton, a SLICK come foreward fighter - he hasn't fought like that since the Ben Tackie fight. In and out, which was beautifully performed BTW, vs Urango will not be the key... just coming in recklessly (as he was vs Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo, Castillo) and he is just going to get a kicking.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 13:13**

stujones wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Hatton doesn't exactly pressure a fighter behind a solid jab like De La Hoya did. Hatton's diving In with chin In the air will be figured out pressure.
Oscar's feints and jabs were the key to any success he had. When he lost the jab (tiredness and/or change of tatics) Floyd pretty much dominated.

Ricky has got to be back to the old Ricky Hatton, a SLICK come foreward fighter - he hasn't fought like that since the Ben Tackie fight. In and out, which was beautifully performed BTW, vs Urango will not be the key... just coming in recklessly (as he was vs Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo, Castillo) and he is just going to get a kicking.

The Tackie fight is by far my favourite Hatton performane. Arguably the best he's boxed/fought.

I just hope his elbow is fine now, and he can utilise his jab as a set up, cos he didn't really against Castillo. But that could be because he wanted it to be all action.

What is Hatton's reach like compared to Floyd's?

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 13:28**

stujones wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Hatton doesn't exactly pressure a fighter behind a solid jab like De La Hoya did. Hatton's diving In with chin In the air will be figured out pressure.
Oscar's feints and jabs were the key to any success he had. When he lost the jab (tiredness and/or change of tatics) Floyd pretty much dominated.

Ricky has got to be back to the old Ricky Hatton, a SLICK come foreward fighter - he hasn't fought like that since the Ben Tackie fight. In and out, which was beautifully performed BTW, vs Urango will not be the key... just coming in recklessly (as he was vs Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo, Castillo) and he is just going to get a kicking.

Hatton and slick does not exist together. He has skills but he'll turn out like Gatti did If he tries to box slick.

He has a chance If he can keep Floyd from slipping away from the ropes, Gatti should of kept Floyd there.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 13:38**

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
stujones wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Hatton doesn't exactly pressure a fighter behind a solid jab like De La Hoya did. Hatton's diving In with chin In the air will be figured out pressure.
Oscar's feints and jabs were the key to any success he had. When he lost the jab (tiredness and/or change of tatics) Floyd pretty much dominated.

Ricky has got to be back to the old Ricky Hatton, a SLICK come foreward fighter - he hasn't fought like that since the Ben Tackie fight. In and out, which was beautifully performed BTW, vs Urango will not be the key... just coming in recklessly (as he was vs Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo, Castillo) and he is just going to get a kicking.
The Tackie fight is by far my favourite Hatton performane. Arguably the best he's boxed/fought.

I just hope his elbow is fine now, and he can utilise his jab as a set up, cos he didn't really against Castillo. But that could be because he wanted it to be all action.

What is Hatton's reach like compared to Floyd's?

Floyd - 72? (between 70 and 72) Ricky - 66

Castillo - 70ish
Delahoya - 72-73

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 13:43**

HairyBoxe24 wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote: Yes it was pretty terrible conditiong for 2 of the 3 biggest fighters in the past 20 years.

Hatton will work at twice a pace of DLH, and that's a fact.. out boxed or not.
Delahoya was throwing 60punches a round early and 40-50 late, since when does Hatton throw more than that? Delahoya is also 5inches taller and has 5inches more reach than Hatton. Delahoya also has faster hands and has more powerful power shots. Delahoya also has a better jab than Hatton that he used more

And Delahoya only won 3 rounds anyway. Watch the fight again without scoring Delahoyas missed punches
And DLH was standing off of him, I said outwork.

That's all I said so don't know why you trying to give me a boxing lesson about god knows what else

Because Hatton doesn't outwork to a much higher degree than Oscar did anyway. Especially on his Collazo/Urango form although I expect him to have a higher workrate and not fade as much as Oscar did it isnt as big a factor as is made out

On the flip side he'll be much easier to hit than Oscar, will have a harder time getting in punching range, not have the jab Oscar does, or the speed or the power.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 14:00**

DIRT SUGAR wrote:Just watched the second Mayweather v Castillo fight and it's just brought me down to earth a bit after I've been getting a bit too carried away thinking what a great chance Hatton has got of beating Mayweather.

I can just see a really frustrating night for Ricky as he gets picked off with counter after counter. PBF gave a peak Castillo (taller, longer reach than Ricky) the runaround and I just see him doing the same to Hatton.

I just don't think PBF will allow Ricky any real chance to get to him and will just tie him up the whole night and pick him off and I just don't see Ricky being able to establish a jab that will compete with Mayweather's, where-in lies the sole chance (IMHO) Hatton has of working his way close enough to do any damage.

All one can hope is that Mayweather's legs aren't what they once were and even if they're not, he moves so efficiently that I don't think it'll be a factor.

Got three to five-point on the cards decision in favour of PBF written all over it for me now:-(

I'd be welcome if anyone can cheer me up and make me feel any differently with their opinion.

maybe not. Castillo is very well schooled but you can see how slow on his feet he is vs Mayweather 2nd time. JLC also had a bad ankle, which made it take even longer to close the range. Still, I had him ahead after 6 rds (JLC).

Don't think he ate loads of counters at all. Floyd's shots were a bit pathetic, just little pecks really. Floyd didn't even sit down on a shot until about round 9. I don't think his confidence was high in that fight.

Mayweather fighters are hard to fight. Floyd, Guzman etc have a way of turning their shoulder out of the trajectory of their opponents' shots. They are also fast, and can hit-and-move before spinning off to the side into a short circle.

This of course could all lead to Floyd winning a negative decision. But Hatton will be right on top of him and I don't think Floyd has a real appetite for combat. Ricky's fast enough on his feet to do a lot better than Castillo. And Castillo did pretty damn well over two fights with Mayweather.

Posted: **27 Nov 2007, 14:02**

Problem for Hatton is, he might have a great game plan at the moment, but when he's actually in there, will the sheer speed, accuracy and elusiveness of Floyd render his game plan near to useless?
There's a good chance he might find himself trying to hit someone who seems to be in another time zone.

He's never been in there with anyone remotely like PBF, in fact, he's been odds on favorite in all but one of his fight to date. This is a test on another level completely. And Floyd has been in with fighters like Hatton before - maybe not as good, but near enough.

I still give Hatton a chance here, but I'm not sure if that's mainly because I WANT to give him a chance.

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