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NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:To be fair Matty Cortez had done his job by the second half of the fight by completely, if nothing else, distracting Ricky every two seconds, and that sickening familiarity of Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky.......bollox.
I swear at times the Rickster was taking shots to the ribs on either side simultaneously.....Mayweather on one side and that fr***ing Kojak lookalike on the other. There was more than a sense that Ricky was fighting two blokes in that ring.

Good post. The referee was behaving like an idiot, distracting Hatton and breaking his concentration. And that unfair point deduction was the turning point in the fight.

But Hatton should have known what he was getting into fighting Mayweather in Las Vegas (remember Mayweather Castillo I?) and so he should have insisted the fight be in Britain, or not fight him at all.

Hatton should retire.

Though I thought he was very badly treated.

Excuses, excuses.

Hatton lost because he wasn't good enough. Stop crying.

Funny how the tide turns....very little grief with Parris' work against Tszyu, but when the shoe is on the other foot it's non-stop bitching.

It was just a night when everything went wrong. The opponent, the ref, but he would have lost anyway for certain.

I actually wanted Tszyu to beat Hatton...

werewolf wrote:The ref was on the payroll and wouldn't let him fight inside. That's teh bottom line. Hatton was manhandling Mayweather on the inside. I don't care what their crooked don king record books say, the fight was No Contest - and if things were really fair, the fight should be awarded to Hatton because he was in there fighting against two men, and the ref wasn't even putting on an act of being fair, at one point getting so anxious to earn his pay check that he deducted a point from Hatton for no apparent reason.






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Everyone, I know this piece of shyt from another site. He's a racist as@hole, nothing more or less. This jackoff tried to tell me that Corrie Sanders was a better HW than Evander Holyfield. If this is the same guy, which I'm 99.2% positive that he is, get ready to just ban him soon.....

Tunney wrote:

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:To be fair Matty Cortez had done his job by the second half of the fight by completely, if nothing else, distracting Ricky every two seconds, and that sickening familiarity of Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky.......bollox.
I swear at times the Rickster was taking shots to the ribs on either side simultaneously.....Mayweather on one side and that fr***ing Kojak lookalike on the other. There was more than a sense that Ricky was fighting two blokes in that ring.

Good post. The referee was behaving like an idiot, distracting Hatton and breaking his concentration. And that unfair point deduction was the turning point in the fight.

But Hatton should have known what he was getting into fighting Mayweather in Las Vegas (remember Mayweather Castillo I?) and so he should have insisted the fight be in Britain, or not fight him at all.

floyd didn't wanna come to britain.

hatton had no choice than to go over there for it.

no excuses from me about what happened.

mayweather was the better man.

werewolf wrote:The ref was on the payroll and wouldn't let him fight inside. That's teh bottom line. Hatton was manhandling Mayweather on the inside. I don't care what their crooked don king record books say, the fight was No Contest - and if things were really fair, the fight should be awarded to Hatton because he was in there fighting against two men, and the ref wasn't even putting on an act of being fair, at one point getting so anxious to earn his pay check that he deducted a point from Hatton for no apparent reason.






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Hatton did lose I am afraid, however we have to respect hatton for conceding all the advantages to Mayweather because of his will to fight the best. His ref, his size of ring, his home town etc all incodently advantages that he had when fighting Kosta thats not to say it would have been any different in manchester but you have to respect hattons bollox for taking those risks against such a great boxer.

Ref was piss poor, got too involved, broke them up too much, clearly had no intention of disciplining Mayweather, let him elbow Hatton in the face and neck on many occasions...

but at the end of the day this stuff happens, Hatton lost, u cud say he didn't lose 'fair and square' but he certainly didnt win either.

armageto wrote: Everyone, I know this piece of shyt from another site. He's a racist as@hole, nothing more or less. This jackoff tried to tell me that Corrie Sanders was a better HW than Evander Holyfield. If this is the same guy, which I'm 99.2% positive that he is, get ready to just ban him soon.....

Armageto, you've been criticising me for posting that someone might be a racist, now you're doing the same yourself! If the poster thinks Sanders was better than Holyfield, maybe it's because Sanders is his favorite fighter - it doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist!

Perhaps they should consider banning YOU for calling someone a "piece of shyt".

Cortez has always been crap. Mayweather should have been penalised for throwing back-handers, but I think Floyd would have won anyway.

This is a nuts subject.

I agree Cortez was crap but Floyd took charge in the 2nd half of the fight. Ricky did well and forced Floyd to up his game and dig deep. A good fight and the better man won.

Understand the emotion behind this but Hatton wasn;t robbed.

the whole topic is incorrect. Hatton DID lose.

He sure didn't lose.

Tunney wrote:

armageto wrote: Everyone, I know this piece of shyt from another site. He's a racist as@hole, nothing more or less. This jackoff tried to tell me that Corrie Sanders was a better HW than Evander Holyfield. If this is the same guy, which I'm 99.2% positive that he is, get ready to just ban him soon.....

Armageto, you've been criticising me for posting that someone might be a racist, now you're doing the same yourself! If the poster thinks Sanders was better than Holyfield, maybe it's because Sanders is his favorite fighter - it doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist!

Perhaps they should consider banning YOU for calling someone a "piece of shyt".

Perhaps you shouldn't bring up race in just about everyone of your posts. Just because I don't like Juan Urango (even though I used to, until I found out how bad he really was), doesn't mean I don't like Spanish fighters or non-US fighters. When somebody says that "white fighters are smarter than black fighters" and other things to that effect, perhaps that is being racial, no? I know this guy IS A RACIST from being on another site with him, that he got thrown off from. This guy has came up with such classics as "Wlad would beat Ali" or "Sanders is better then Holyfield" and such other BS. As the same with you, his logic is either race/country related. When people bring up valid points, he fires back with race or just runs off the thread. I like Abraham more than Pavlik, since A.A. is one of my fav. fighters out there. However, I think Pavlik is better than him and will beat him. Anybody that thinks Wlad will blow the doors off from Ali or Sanders is better than Holyfield isn't rooting for the fav. fighter. They are an idiot and when you through in the fact that they ALWAYS root for the white fighter and make racial statements, then yes, they would be a racist.

Just give him some time and he will show his true colors and get banned. He's already started with his fairy land idea of what happened in the Hatton/PBF fight.

As for you, please learn how to debate. This site used to be a great place. Debates people didn't favor "the white fighter" just for the fact they were white. People could debate without morons like you claiming them to be a racist or telling them "You just love black people" or "black lover" or other classic lines you offer up. You bring down this site, with plenty of other scum, and one day they will clean this place up.

I've posted here for years and really never had a problem with anybody. I can, however, tell people this. Werewolf's boxing knowledge isn't good and he's a proven, banned racist one at least one site. As for you, you're not to far behind him.........

armageto wrote:

Tunney wrote:

armageto wrote: Everyone, I know this piece of shyt from another site. He's a racist as@hole, nothing more or less. This jackoff tried to tell me that Corrie Sanders was a better HW than Evander Holyfield. If this is the same guy, which I'm 99.2% positive that he is, get ready to just ban him soon.....

Armageto, you've been criticising me for posting that someone might be a racist, now you're doing the same yourself! If the poster thinks Sanders was better than Holyfield, maybe it's because Sanders is his favorite fighter - it doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist!

Perhaps they should consider banning YOU for calling someone a "piece of shyt".

Perhaps you shouldn't bring up race in just about everyone of your posts. Just because I don't like Juan Urango (even though I used to, until I found out how bad he really was), doesn't mean I don't like Spanish fighters or non-US fighters. When somebody says that "white fighters are smarter than black fighters" and other things to that effect, perhaps that is being racial, no? I know this guy IS A RACIST from being on another site with him, that he got thrown off from. This guy has came up with such classics as "Wlad would beat Ali" or "Sanders is better then Holyfield" and such other BS. As the same with you, his logic is either race/country related. When people bring up valid points, he fires back with race or just runs off the thread. I like Abraham more than Pavlik, since A.A. is one of my fav. fighters out there. However, I think Pavlik is better than him and will beat him. Anybody that thinks Wlad will blow the doors off from Ali or Sanders is better than Holyfield isn't rooting for the fav. fighter. They are an idiot and when you through in the fact that they ALWAYS root for the white fighter and make racial statements, then yes, they would be a racist.

Just give him some time and he will show his true colors and get banned. He's already started with his fairy land idea of what happened in the Hatton/PBF fight.

As for you, please learn how to debate. This site used to be a great place. Debates people didn't favor "the white fighter" just for the fact they were white. People could debate without morons like you claiming them to be a racist or telling them "You just love black people" or "black lover" or other classic lines you offer up. You bring down this site, with plenty of other scum, and one day they will clean this place up.

I've posted here for years and really never had a problem with anybody. I can, however, tell people this. Werewolf's boxing knowledge isn't good and he's a proven, banned racist one at least one site. As for you, you're not to far behind him.........

Wow, paranoid and a race fixation. OCD?

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armageto wrote:

Tunney wrote: Armageto, you've been criticising me for posting that someone might be a racist, now you're doing the same yourself! If the poster thinks Sanders was better than Holyfield, maybe it's because Sanders is his favorite fighter - it doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist!

Perhaps they should consider banning YOU for calling someone a "piece of shyt".

Perhaps you shouldn't bring up race in just about everyone of your posts. Just because I don't like Juan Urango (even though I used to, until I found out how bad he really was), doesn't mean I don't like Spanish fighters or non-US fighters. When somebody says that "white fighters are smarter than black fighters" and other things to that effect, perhaps that is being racial, no? I know this guy IS A RACIST from being on another site with him, that he got thrown off from. This guy has came up with such classics as "Wlad would beat Ali" or "Sanders is better then Holyfield" and such other BS. As the same with you, his logic is either race/country related. When people bring up valid points, he fires back with race or just runs off the thread. I like Abraham more than Pavlik, since A.A. is one of my fav. fighters out there. However, I think Pavlik is better than him and will beat him. Anybody that thinks Wlad will blow the doors off from Ali or Sanders is better than Holyfield isn't rooting for the fav. fighter. They are an idiot and when you through in the fact that they ALWAYS root for the white fighter and make racial statements, then yes, they would be a racist.

Just give him some time and he will show his true colors and get banned. He's already started with his fairy land idea of what happened in the Hatton/PBF fight.

As for you, please learn how to debate. This site used to be a great place. Debates people didn't favor "the white fighter" just for the fact they were white. People could debate without morons like you claiming them to be a racist or telling them "You just love black people" or "black lover" or other classic lines you offer up. You bring down this site, with plenty of other scum, and one day they will clean this place up.

I've posted here for years and really never had a problem with anybody. I can, however, tell people this. Werewolf's boxing knowledge isn't good and he's a proven, banned racist one at least one site. As for you, you're not to far behind him.........

Wow, paranoid and a race fixation. OCD?

My whole point is, this site used to be great. I'd come here, have a good debate, and learn something new. Now, oh ,far from it my friend. Now, we get childish debates or people pulling the race card every other second. Oh, you don't like Hatton, well you must be pro-American and hate all UK/Euro fighters. Oh, you like so and so, well you just love black people. Hatton lost, OH, well that's just because the deck was stacked against him. Let him fight in the UK, in an 6 foot ring, with a no ref, and an AR-15, I bet you he takes Floyd out in one round!!! I mean, give me a break already....

This site has gone down the toilet as of late. This guy has already come in, in his fantasy land, and it will only get worse. I'm just letting you know that right now. If you love a site for pointless talk, well buckle up, because Boxrec is doing 175 miles an hour headed for that destination....

Just one comment, Armegeto, and if you're at all a reasonable person you'll understand this:

People who always root for black fighters and people who always root for white fighters are not really racist. Personally, I root for exciting fighters of all nationalities and races. My favorites include Pavlik and Holyfield from the US, Calzaghe and Haye from Britain, JM Marquez from Mexico, etc., so I don't care where a fighter's from or what color his skin is. But if someone does always root for fighters of a certain race or nationality, I don't consider him a racist.

What is racist, and what really brings down the quality of discussion in this and other boxing forums, is people hating on fighters because of their race! If someone hates Mayweather simply because he's black, that is racism. If someone is always trashing Hatton and Calzaghe because they're Brits, that's racism. If someone tries to prove every east European fighter isn't really any good because he doesn't like where they're from, that's racist. Being racist isn't about who you like, it's about who you hate.

I've never accused you of being racist, Armageto. I've read your posts on the Klitschko website and elsewhere many months ago, and I thought at that time you were a knowledgable fan and a good poster. But you're taking me way too seriously - most people that know me personally and in other boxing forums actually find me funny after awhile. Much of what I post is tongue-in-cheek and half-serious.

Tunney wrote:Just one comment, Armegeto, and if you're at all a reasonable person you'll understand this:

People who always root for black fighters and people who always root for white fighters are not really racist. Personally, I root for exciting fighters of all nationalities and races. My favorites include Pavlik and Holyfield from the US, Calzaghe and Haye from Britain, JM Marquez from Mexico, etc., so I don't care where a fighter's from or what color his skin is. But if someone does always root for fighters of a certain race or nationality, I don't consider him a racist.

What is racist, and what really brings down the quality of discussion in this and other boxing forums, is people hating on fighters because of their race! If someone hates Mayweather simply because he's black, that is racism. If someone is always trashing Hatton and Calzaghe because they're Brits, that's racism. If someone tries to prove every east European fighter isn't really any good because he doesn't like where they're from, that's racist. Being racist isn't about who you like, it's about who you hate.

I've never accused you of being racist, Armageto. I've read your posts on the Klitschko website and elsewhere many months ago, and I thought at that time you were a knowledgable fan and a good poster. But you're taking me way too seriously - most people that know me personally and in other boxing forums actually find me funny after awhile. Much of what I post is tongue-in-cheek and half-serious.

I agree with a lot of what you posted, but trust me, this guy is a racist. That whole 2nd paragraph is this guy to the tee. When you make comments about "white fighters being smarter", where in God's name did you get that one from? In all, he was just trying to say white people are smarter in general, but didn't have the balls to say it. When you say sometihng like "their kind", it can only be taken one way. He's grouping a whole mass of people together, just for the actions of one person. Long and behold, it would be the African-American race, or just plan African decent in general. Just give this guy WW time and he will show his complete lack of boxing knowledge and his racist ways...

Perhaps I have jumped the gun on you to a point. I've just seen this site go downhill ever so slowly and now it's about to crash at the bottom. I don't want this site to turn into ESB. So, sorry if you felt I was attacking you.

Also, I do think however, if you say "I want the black guy to win" or "I want the white guy to win", it does hold a small amount of racism in it. I myself just like to see good boxing. It doesn't matter if it's a white fighter from France or Idaho, a black fighter from the UK or a red fighter from Mars. I just wish more people had my thinking and just enjoyed good boxing for what it was worth, no matter where the person was from or what color they were.....

Max Molyneux wrote:

He sure didn't lose.

he pushed him on the corner and ricky knocked himself out by headbutting the corner pads....

Something calling itself "Armageto" wrote: "Trust me, this guy is a racist bla bla bla.

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Like Hatton told the bent ref, kiss my ass, motherfucker! Nobody said a single f'ng thing about race here except you.

Bullshitters trying to obfuscate the issues with their politically correct bullshit, as usual.

Reiterate: The fight should be declared No Contest because Cortez was bent and did not let Hatton fight.





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Not only was Cortez bent, but, as expected, so were the judges, and they even prepared a special extra-large ring for Mayweather. There should be a rematch in the UK with a specially made extra small ring, and special judges who are Hatton's mates, and a referee equivalent to Joe Cortez. Perhaps they could find one like that in their prison system and let him out on parole to referee the fight.





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And I know exactly who I want to ref the rematch in the UK, one of Britain's most famous prisoners, Charles Bronson!








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I think the referee and the judges were almost certainly under orders, but it doesn't make any difference because Ricky would have lost anyway.

My take was that Cortez was breaking them up too quickly but it was a messy, scrappy fight anyway with a constant pattern of holding and hitting. Hatton did the same as he did in the Tszyu fight, rushed in with little method and tried to work his man over. Against Kostya is worked because he was older and could not take the intensity but against Mayweather, Floyd was in prime shape and at his peak and was able to weather the bullrushes and then pick off the static head.

It was unintelligent rushing and it made for a stinker of a fight. Not that i am chastising Hatton at all, he gave his all but paid for a lack of head movement and the ultimate sin, coming in with his hands down and head high with little regards for defence.