this is bullsh*t. Very disappointed in haye. If he loses, not only his career derailed, but then enzo is undisputed champ and the titles are held hostage with sports network.
I actually think Haye's shell will lose. well done david for flushing your career down the pan and depriving british boxing fans of the chance to see you take heavyweight by storm.
So much for a 'fight for the fans'. I thought haye was more intelligent than this.
Macca V Haye is on - in March!!
WOW maybe boxing is changing, MAYBE...
it's funny how boxing today get's us 'programmed' into a certain state of acceptance, fights like this don't happen often and although we want it I'm feeling scared for the losser. I mean if Haye losses then potentially a big question mark hangs over his credibility... on the other hand he can always 'play' the people's Champion card (which would be more accurate than not), "I gave boxing fan's the fight they wanted, the fight they deserved and as I'm moving up into the HW division it was only right in proving or trying to prove I was the best at my current weight..!"
and we the fan's would except that, because that's Sport - the Best should be meeting the Best!
It's strange though, and we shouldn't feel bad, scared or worried for any of them, because at one time in boxing this WAS THE NORM (more often than not), is this, along with much of 2007 the sign of things to come, are Champion's going to fight each other & Top Contenders likewise, could this be a rebirth to Boxing, is Warren going to do his part to clean up boxing and is DelaHoya & Golden Boy Promotions going to 'really' clean up boxing, Whew I hope so, or I'm I just getting way to far of myself here?
None-the-less, Great and my money's on Enzo, whom I believe will be the next British sensation!
Jim.
it's funny how boxing today get's us 'programmed' into a certain state of acceptance, fights like this don't happen often and although we want it I'm feeling scared for the losser. I mean if Haye losses then potentially a big question mark hangs over his credibility... on the other hand he can always 'play' the people's Champion card (which would be more accurate than not), "I gave boxing fan's the fight they wanted, the fight they deserved and as I'm moving up into the HW division it was only right in proving or trying to prove I was the best at my current weight..!"
and we the fan's would except that, because that's Sport - the Best should be meeting the Best!
It's strange though, and we shouldn't feel bad, scared or worried for any of them, because at one time in boxing this WAS THE NORM (more often than not), is this, along with much of 2007 the sign of things to come, are Champion's going to fight each other & Top Contenders likewise, could this be a rebirth to Boxing, is Warren going to do his part to clean up boxing and is DelaHoya & Golden Boy Promotions going to 'really' clean up boxing, Whew I hope so, or I'm I just getting way to far of myself here?
None-the-less, Great and my money's on Enzo, whom I believe will be the next British sensation!
Jim.
only when it suits them, i.e. when every factors weighs out in their favour.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Surely that's what promoters are SUPPOSED to do, put on fights the public want to see.
I'm really cynical about this one. I hope somehow that Enzo gets blasted out.
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Might be that Haye doesn't struggle to make weight as much as he says, you never know what to believe in boxing. Could be he just wants to go where the money is, just like Hide did years back.
No health risk i think, as its the durable ones who get in trouble that way. And DH is not exactly the type to ship a lot of punishment and keep standing.
Impossible to pick a winner with any certainty, but i get the feeling Enzo might come good.
No health risk i think, as its the durable ones who get in trouble that way. And DH is not exactly the type to ship a lot of punishment and keep standing.
Impossible to pick a winner with any certainty, but i get the feeling Enzo might come good.
it's parasitic. wait for someone to win the main belts, tell certain newspapers to write bollox about said person, discredit them through TV lackeys and bitchy columns, then probably beat the guy who's done all the legit work when he's living off fumes.Terry D wrote:I like Enzo but feel that his attitude in the immediate aftermath of Haye-Mormeck was mealey-mouthed. Constant digs at Haye for not fighting him when Haye went out and conquered Europe and the World in a more traditional fashion. He didn't get a retired title then defend it against a mismatch of challengers whilst all while sitting in the wings doing a 'Whatever happened to Baby Haye' as Haye took hold of the division.Wales wrote:not disputing why Haye hasnt fought, I can imagine the options etc... were a joke. All Im saying is the comment by Enzo is in relation to him having signed a couple of times and haye / his managment not wanting to. I genuinley believe both fighters have wanted the fight to happen.Terry D wrote: There is refusing to do something and having the rug pulled out from under you by the demands of the other party.
Do you think Haye bottled it from Enzo by going the traditional route, working the WBC rankings and then getting the real titles abroad? All while Enzo has been in Wales whinging until the titles are delivered to him?
Enzo has been a right divvy in regards to this clash. Haye's heart and desire have made this clash bigger than it once was.
Haye has been a bit unlucky in general. Prior to his title fight people on here talked up Mormeck as King Kong, despite him looking jaded in his most recent fights, then talked him down the moment Haye won.
A jaded Mormeck is far ahead of Enzo's opposition and Haye did things the right way. He could have jibbed off to America as their next heavyweight hope but instead stayed fit in order to give Enzo this fight.
In my perspective it has been all leg-work from Haye and complaining from Enzo.
Imagine if Haye had moved up. I wonder if we'd see Enzo go out of his way to fight Huck, Cunningham, and company. Only if they were depleted, shot, ruined, or weight weakened (take your pick).
Far as I'm concerned this is masterful matchmaking from Warren, and the kind of risk taking that we've come to expect from Haye. i just hope it doesn't all go as planned for SN.
Apart from the money, which the much-maligned Mr Warren is providing. Let's not feel too sorry for the weight-drained shell of Haye here. He obviously feels he can win, and he's going to get well paid for the fight. I can't believe people are so cynical about a fight we've all been wanting to see for years finally getting made. Maybe Haye won't be at his best down at Cruiserweight, but he didn't have to take the fight if things were that bad.knockout wrote:I think its Haye who has everything to lose here....
He has the better record, the better belts, the better following, the better name in Europe, the better name in the US.
HE brings everything to the table..
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Re: Macca V Haye is on - in March!!
What's up with F rank Warren, putting Maccarinelli in with someone that will hit him back?Wales wrote:Woo-Hoo, COME ON ENZO!
An all-British title fight between Enzo Maccarinelli and David Haye has been confirmed for 8 March.
Swansea's Maccarinelli last fought on the Joe Calzaghe-Mikkel Kessler undercard in November, stopping Mohamed Azzaoui in the fourth round.
Londoner Haye had to get up from the canvas to sensationally stop Jean Marc Mormeck in the seventh round and claim the WBC and WBA titles in November.
Maccarinelli said: "I'm delighted that Haye has finally put pen to paper."
Is Bobby Gunn not available in March?
:PYou could be right there Rob.
I reckon he has been exagerrating the weight making as a negotiating tool to get his purse up. Remember he was making 13st 8lb not long ago, so the jump to 14st 4lbs (a jump of 10lbs would have helped him no end).
Its a real tossup this one, but I think and hope that Haye wins by KO.
Come on Haye - Up the Londoner
I reckon he has been exagerrating the weight making as a negotiating tool to get his purse up. Remember he was making 13st 8lb not long ago, so the jump to 14st 4lbs (a jump of 10lbs would have helped him no end).
Its a real tossup this one, but I think and hope that Haye wins by KO.
Come on Haye - Up the Londoner
no shit Enzo will come good. Unless he's a pile of shit, he'll eat up what's left of Haye, who IMO is losing strength, snap and reflexes making cruiser.MightyWarrior wrote:Might be that Haye doesn't struggle to make weight as much as he says, you never know what to believe in boxing. Could be he just wants to go where the money is, just like Hide did years back.
No health risk i think, as its the durable ones who get in trouble that way. And DH is not exactly the type to ship a lot of punishment and keep standing.
Impossible to pick a winner with any certainty, but i get the feeling Enzo might come good.
Enzo will then live off 1 win until retirement.
Claude Abrams said he wasn't convinced by Haye, when Haye said making the sacrifices for the JMM fight he'd known it was his time to win the belts.
it's so obvious why the fight was made and how it's going to go. be realistic, eh?states wrote:FFS, Haye was good enough at 200lb's to beat the undisputed champion less than 2 months ago, and now he's a shell of a fighter that can barely stand up? Give over. I'll say it again: Haye has taken the fight, he obviously believes he can win. Stop whinging.
Mormeck was an ageing fighter. Mac is in his prime. Mac can't win at the top level properly - who do they aim so low fighting the likes of Gunn, Heinechen, and Sellers (called off, thank fvck) - so they have to do brilliant handicapping.
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YEs I did enjoy this Allegedly quote:Mario wrote:Warren is a prick, he's the only person who stopped this fight happening months ago and now hes going on about how he delivers the big fights. This fight is only happening because warren believes Haye will struggle with the weight.
""I'm in the business of delivering big fights "
Yes of course you are.....every 500 or so shows....
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Hang on there Autobarn.... you say that Mac cannot win at the top level properly - okay.... but then Haye only beat an aging fighter.... can he win at the top level properly?Autobarn wrote:it's so obvious why the fight was made and how it's going to go. be realistic, eh?states wrote:FFS, Haye was good enough at 200lb's to beat the undisputed champion less than 2 months ago, and now he's a shell of a fighter that can barely stand up? Give over. I'll say it again: Haye has taken the fight, he obviously believes he can win. Stop whinging.
Mormeck was an ageing fighter. Mac is in his prime. Mac can't win at the top level properly - who do they aim so low fighting the likes of Gunn, Heinechen, and Sellers (called off, thank fvck) - so they have to do brilliant handicapping.
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Exactly, I said this the other day Frank is now giving us the fights we want - Boxing is having another heyday (and this is certainly a HayedayThe Blade wrote:Perhaps this news silences the tedious bleatings of the stuck record brigade on this site who suggest allegedly allegedly overly protects his fighters. This proves, with the greatest of respect, on the back of Calzaghe-Kessler that these critics are spouting arrant nonsense (nice words for bollocks). Now we have a fight that everybody has been calling for, so why not give FW a little credit for having the balls to put it on.
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