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Nonsense. The wreslter would have the advantage, once he got hold of the boxer it would be over. Boxing is a very restricted martial art, with very few useful moves. Unless the fighter lands a blow early which ends the contest, they are likely to lose.

Froch and Calzaghe.

Austin was 6'2 252, with a neck wider than his head and tree trunks for legs, Tyson wouldn't knock him down if Austin gave him a free shot IMHO, unless the point of the middle knuckle connected with the point of the temple. Once Austin got hold of him, he'd rip Mike's arms and legs off. And remember, Mike was always intimidated by big guys.

Terry D wrote:How good a wrestler is Austin though? Kurt Angle was a proper wrestler but I imagine the WWE guys lose a lot of the wrestling training when they switch.

Put it this way the usual wrestling trick is to lean into the other guy and whisper instructions into his ear for the next move. If he did that to Tyson Mike would whip his neck around and bite Austin's ear off.

Austin was schooled, his old trainer Chris Adams was a former amateur wrestler who taught him the basics, and he used to wrestle in Japan in 1992 where it's not amateur but all about holds. Plus he's just a big, strong fornicator.

STP wrote:Austin was 6'2 252, with a neck wider than his head and tree trunks for legs, Tyson wouldn't knock him down if Austin gave him a free shot IMHO, unless the point of the middle knuckle connected with the point of the temple. Once Austin got hold of him, he'd rip Mike's arms and legs off. And remember, Mike was always intimidated by big guys.

Size is irrelevant. Tyson knocked down guys who were not only bigger than Austin, but professional fighters to boot, and who were not giving him a 'free shot.'

You also don't punch with the middle knuckle, you hit with the 'back' two knuckles, as the first two are more prone to breaking.

What stops people getting knocked out is anticipating the punch. It takes years of training to set yourself and ride the effect of a punch out.

Tyson could no doubt have knocked Austin spark out. The problem is, if Austin got hold of him, Mike would have no clue what to do.

I've no doubt that Austin could wrestle properly, just because professional wrestling is pantomime on steroids, doesn't mean they don't need to know the fundamentals.

Bret Hart actually had true amateur wrestling background and was picked for commonwealth games for canada in 82 but chose pro wrestling.. he was also picked for olympic trials in 84 but chose to go to wwf..

Austin had none.. and was quite clumsy in the ring, which means he wouldn't hav ebeen good anyway..

Austin had been around for donkeys. He used to be part of a duo whose name I forget now. He was wrestling since the early nineties.

Basically, pro wrestling is about making it look real, which means it's about not hurting or injuring your opponent. To not hurt or injure other wrestlers, you have to know how others would be hurt and injured!

Austin was taught all the basics by his first trainer Chris Adams in about 1989, he went to Japan often in 1992 as 'Stunning' Steve Austin when he was in WCW, they sent him over, and over there the crowd appreciates submission holds more. Austin came up with a lot of his own submission holds that he'd try in house shows in Japan to master them, then use them on TV tapings. Hold's that hadn't been done before.

Austin could wrestle, and if he wanted to, he could paralyse a man on the mat with ease. His legs were immensely strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUYl02U8FjY

;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKBwNezHovM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mESSUGOSo8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLA4lREEeGE

WWWE? It's a fornicating pantomime, they bloody rehearse before they get in the ring...

Even the British used to do it :)

Me and my mate once caught Kid McCoy and this other guy (can't remember his name) rehearsing moves on each other hours before a show at the Coliseum Theatre in Rhyl!

Tyson would have torn this Austin fella a new arsehole.

Unless Austin ran about for 10 minutes, left Tyson to run out of steam and then beat him that way.

WWWE?!

WANK WORLD WRESTLING ETC ETC :)

STP wrote:Basically, pro wrestling is about making it look real, which means it's about not hurting or injuring your opponent. To not hurt or injure other wrestlers, you have to know how others would be hurt and injured!

Austin was taught all the basics by his first trainer Chris Adams in about 1989, he went to Japan often in 1992 as 'Stunning' Steve Austin when he was in WCW, they sent him over, and over there the crowd appreciates submission holds more. Austin came up with a lot of his own submission holds that he'd try in house shows in Japan to master them, then use them on TV tapings. Hold's that hadn't been done before.

Austin could wrestle, and if he wanted to, he could paralyse a man on the mat with ease. His legs were immensely strong.

WAS HE AS GOOD AS THE tEXAS TORNADO?

The two best active wrestlers on the planet IMO are Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar.

Both have the best amateur wrestling background for their weight class/style. Angle won an Olympic medal FFS and Lesnar decided to go pro with OVW (I believe run by Jim Cornette) with over a hundred wins and only 5 losses.

Steve Austin's amateur background was none existent as he was a college football player.

Most Wrestlers that I've seen interviewed have said that Kurt Angle is the best Wrestler they have ever seen. However, talking in pro terms it's contentious as it's hard to find out who's the best pro wrestler, as you don't really "win" matches.

You put any boxer in with a half decent Wrestler and the boxer would lose. Ali fought a contentious draw with Inoki in the seventies. Ali was then taken to hospital with severe brusing to his legs and could hardly fecking walk.

Do you honestly believe that WWE shit is not staged?

And most of them are on steroids...

The best wrestler ever was Kendo Nagasaki, that's not even an argument :)

Bret Hart's problem was that he thought it was real. If it was real, Ken Shamrock and Kurt Angle would have beaten him all day long.

Steve Austin had VERY good ring psychology, around 18 months after first attending wrestling school he was WCW Television champion. He progressed very, very, very quickly.

Captain Hook wrote:Do you honestly believe that WWE shit is not staged?

And most of them are on steroids...

The best wrestler ever was Kendo Nagasaki, that's not even an argument :)

I heard a rumour that's it's staged, but I'm still unsure.

You forgot Shirley Crabtree.

You are kidding?

Please tell me you're kidding!

PS That was meant for Emerson!

Wrestling is as staged as feckin Starlight Express..

Austin was also a truly tough bastard. Against Bret Hart in 1997, he sprinted into the metal rails, head-first, purposefully, to actually bust his own head open on the metal rails, because blading had been banned. His knee had been fused a few months earlier and he stayed in the sharpshooter hold for around a minute despite this, with his head busted and in concussion. The pain on his face was genuine pain, and he didn't genuinely pass out, as that was scripted, but he very nearly did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxknZJYurH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM2yM_yymoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6fxp4Lw ... re=related


When he had his neck (accidently) broken against Owen Hart in 1997, that was genuine. He couldn't move his arms or legs for around a minute, yet somehow got to his feet and finished the match! He passed out from the pain when he got to the ambulance, and his neck and spine have never been the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBj9JOc7K3M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ymhV0t2Ag


A man that tough, that big, that strong, with that wrestling knowledge, against Mike in a scrap, would be fornicating cool in my eyes.

How did this thread get around to talking about bloody Stone Cold Steve Austins,?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

fist wrote:I think Eubank talks a lot of sense at times. Moreover, I find it interesting to hear the opinions of an ex-world champ on the likes of other champs and contenders. Like it or not, he has more insight and knowledge than any of the armchair pundits on this site.

Some of the people are more than armchair pundits, they are also well respected journalists in their own right, and unlike Eubank, they are not clouded by his own massive ego.

Sorry mate, Id take Eubank over a journalist any time. He's the guy who was world champion, he's the guy that knows what it takes to beat the likes of Benn and Watson. Thats my opinion anyway.

Captain Hook wrote:You are kidding?

Please tell me you're kidding!

Nah, I'm not kidding mate. All wrestling is real. For instance, stomping your foot on the floor really does increase the force of your punch.

I just don't understand why boxers don't do it.

fist wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

fist wrote:I think Eubank talks a lot of sense at times. Moreover, I find it interesting to hear the opinions of an ex-world champ on the likes of other champs and contenders. Like it or not, he has more insight and knowledge than any of the armchair pundits on this site.

Some of the people are more than armchair pundits, they are also well respected journalists in their own right, and unlike Eubank, they are not clouded by his own massive ego.

Sorry mate, Id take Eubank over a journalist any time. He's the guy who was world champion, he's the guy that knows what it takes to beat the likes of Benn and Watson. Thats my opinion anyway.