Longshots who had the champ down....

[BigJuicyHog]

Tzyu had Zab down, but couldn't keep him there according to plan. And even though Zab was dancing up a storm to prove to the ref he was fine, the corrupt ref called the fight. Zab warned the ref that he wasn't going to get away with it but in this case the corrupt ref got away with it.

EVERYONE saw Zab get up...EVERYONE knew he was breakdancing to make the point that he was just fine. EVERYONE on the east coast knew what was happening.

Get your fact straight Boxbuzz! This was during Judah's African culture phase and he was actually doing the "Newborn Baby Giraffe Dance". Where were you when it swept the nation?

[Ambling Alp]

Tony Galento, shorter than James Toney and just as overweight, not only knocked the great Joe Louis down but also had him hurt in the first round. In a post fight interview he called for a rematch, saying he would knock that "bum" out. That rematch never came.

I Feel Fine - You should know better than this. This isn't is supposed to be talked about. Neither is Louis getting knocked down by Buddy Baer or twice against Walcott, who was a longshot as well. (Don't even consider mentioning that Louis was hurt against Tami Mauriello). Only Louis' positives can talked about, not his negatives.

Likewise Ali's prime years of 1964-1967 are not to be discussed either. However, decisions that he won when he was past his prime should be talked about constantly.

[I Feel Fine]

While he is grasping like this perhaps ifeelfine could include the near knockdown of Ali by overweight lightheavyweight Doug Jones 15 seconds into their bout where Ali outweighed Jones by 25 pounds even though Jones came in at a fat 188 pounds.

A 35 year old Ali took right hands from Earnie Shavers that would have knocked a 35 year old Louis out forty five times over. Dingleberry is yet another shill for the Brown Bomber. Tell us how Louis with a 34 lbs weight advantage was schooled by former Middleweight Ezzard Charles, who almost knocked Louis out in the later rounds with a right hand, turning Louis' legs into jelly. I think Charles took pity on Louis, he could have knocked him out if he had pressed after him. Tell us how the Louis shills lied about Louis and Conn's weights, listing Louis as lighter than he had actually weighed in and listing Conn as heavier than he had weighed in to try to make the absurd weight differential look a little better, though even with the distorted weights given Louis still had 25 lbs on Conn. And tell us how, despite this, Louis got blasted by the weak punching Light Heavyweight Conn and almost went down, his legs again turning to jelly. Imagine if Frazier had hit Louis with that kind of left hook, he wouldn't have gotten up in four seconds like Ali did, he would have spent more like four minutes on the canvas.

Now stick your thumb up your ass and drink the Brown Bomber kool aid. Without this ritual you cannot be a true boxing expert, like Bert Sugar and all of Louis' other propaganda ministers.

[disclaimer: yes, this post is solely meant to piss off granberry. Though the stuff about Charles and Conn is true.]

[granberry]

While he is grasping like this perhaps ifeelfine could include the near knockdown of Ali by overweight lightheavyweight Doug Jones 15 seconds into their bout where Ali outweighed Jones by 25 pounds even though Jones came in at a fat 188 pounds.

A 35 year old Ali took right hands from Earnie Shavers that would have knocked a 35 year old Louis out forty five times over. Dingleberry is yet another shill for the Brown Bomber. Tell us how Louis with a 34 lbs weight advantage was schooled by former Middleweight Ezzard Charles, who almost knocked Louis out in the later rounds with a right hand, turning Louis' legs into jelly. I think Charles took pity on Louis, he could have knocked him out if he had pressed after him. Tell us how the Louis shills lied about Louis and Conn's weights, listing Louis as lighter than he had actually weighed in and listing Conn as heavier than he had weighed in to try to make the absurd weight differential look a little better, though even with the distorted weights given Louis still had 25 lbs on Conn. And tell us how, despite this, Louis got blasted by the weak punching Light Heavyweight Conn and almost went down, his legs again turning to jelly. Imagine if Frazier had hit Louis with that kind of left hook, he wouldn't have gotten up in four seconds like Ali did, he would have spent more like four minutes on the canvas.

Now stick your thumb up your ass and drink the Brown Bomber kool aid. Without this ritual you cannot be a true boxing expert, like Bert Sugar and all of Louis' other propaganda ministers.

[disclaimer: yes, this post is solely meant to piss off granberry. Though the stuff about Charles and Conn is true.]

Ali shill ifeelfine is a Joe Louis HATER.

[p4p1]

augie sanchez had hamed down even though it was ruled a slip but was a knock down


granberry doesnt like people disagreeing with him and the evidence against joe louis is there for not having a good chin but he was still a great fighter but please ali had one of the best chins boxing has ever seen

[BoxBuzz]

While he is grasping like this perhaps ifeelfine could include the near knockdown of Ali by overweight lightheavyweight Doug Jones 15 seconds into their bout where Ali outweighed Jones by 25 pounds even though Jones came in at a fat 188 pounds.

A 35 year old Ali took right hands from Earnie Shavers that would have knocked a 35 year old Louis out forty five times over. Dingleberry is yet another shill for the Brown Bomber. Tell us how Louis with a 34 lbs weight advantage was schooled by former Middleweight Ezzard Charles, who almost knocked Louis out in the later rounds with a right hand, turning Louis' legs into jelly. I think Charles took pity on Louis, he could have knocked him out if he had pressed after him. Tell us how the Louis shills lied about Louis and Conn's weights, listing Louis as lighter than he had actually weighed in and listing Conn as heavier than he had weighed in to try to make the absurd weight differential look a little better, though even with the distorted weights given Louis still had 25 lbs on Conn. And tell us how, despite this, Louis got blasted by the weak punching Light Heavyweight Conn and almost went down, his legs again turning to jelly. Imagine if Frazier had hit Louis with that kind of left hook, he wouldn't have gotten up in four seconds like Ali did, he would have spent more like four minutes on the canvas.

Now stick your thumb up your ass and drink the Brown Bomber kool aid. Without this ritual you cannot be a true boxing expert, like Bert Sugar and all of Louis' other propaganda ministers.

[disclaimer: yes, this post is solely meant to piss off granberry. Though the stuff about Charles and Conn is true.]

Ali shill ifeelfine is a Joe Louis HATER.

Is he? It sounds more like he's just mimicking your anti Ali schtick to get a laugh.

Here's one for you granberry. Explain Joe Louis's ringside remarks that were so neutral and objective in the first Liston fight.. The fight that you are so sure was fixed.

Apparently Joe could not see the fix and actually commented on both fighters strength's and weaknesses FROM AN EARTH BASED perspective. From what Joe was saying one could come away thinking that young kid really had something going. Anyone could see that Liston sure wanted to end that fight. The fact that Ali ran in that round probably show's he was no good I suppose. But he did come back the next round....which is a good thing in boxing right? And of course they had no choice but to give the fight to Ali since Liston could not return to his post. Which one is more deserving of crticism...the guy who runs when he's blinded....or the guy who quits in his stool because he got a boo boo?

The sixties really weren't good to you....were they?

[granberry]

augie sanchez had hamed down even though it was ruled a slip but was a knock down


granberry doesnt like people disagreeing with him and the evidence against joe louis is there for not having a good chin but he was still a great fighter but please ali had one of the best chins boxing has ever seen

185 pound Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a single left hook.

TWO ROUNDS before Ali was supposedly able to beat Liston.

WHICH FIGHT was on the level--

the Cooper fight

or the Liston fights??????????????

I wonder.

[p4p1]

augie sanchez had hamed down even though it was ruled a slip but was a knock down


granberry doesnt like people disagreeing with him and the evidence against joe louis is there for not having a good chin but he was still a great fighter but please ali had one of the best chins boxing has ever seen

185 pound Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a single left hook.

TWO ROUNDS before Ali was supposedly able to beat Liston.

WHICH FIGHT was on the level--

the Cooper fight

or the Liston fights??????????????

I wonder.

cooper landed the best punch of his life ali was giving cooper a lesson one of ali's ealier downfalls was when he used to predict the round and refused to finish someone off until the predicted round

[granberry]

augie sanchez had hamed down even though it was ruled a slip but was a knock down


granberry doesnt like people disagreeing with him and the evidence against joe louis is there for not having a good chin but he was still a great fighter but please ali had one of the best chins boxing has ever seen

185 pound Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a single left hook.

TWO ROUNDS before Ali was supposedly able to beat Liston.

WHICH FIGHT was on the level--

the Cooper fight

or the Liston fights??????????????

I wonder.

cooper landed the best punch of his life ali was giving cooper a lesson one of ali's ealier downfalls was when he used to predict the round and refused to finish someone off until the predicted round

Raw Religion of Ali crap from pp.

Cooper bloodied Ali's nose 15 seconds into the fight.

Ali couldn't get out of the way of Cooper's left hook. Cooper landed it repeatedly and Ali had no defense for it.

But then in his very next fight against Liston Ali has a perfect defense?

No thank you.

The Cooper fight was for real. As was the Doug Jones fight.

Were the Liston fight(s) for real?

Don't make me laugh.

[I Feel Fine]

Joe Louis went 15 rounds with Tommy Farr and yet was able to knock out Schmeling in one round, after Schmeling had knocked him out only two years earlier? You can smell that one a mile away. The Louis shills will swallow anything the Louis industry sells them.

[disclaimer: again, just to piss of granberry.]

[p4p1]

185 pound Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a single left hook.

TWO ROUNDS before Ali was supposedly able to beat Liston.

WHICH FIGHT was on the level--

the Cooper fight

or the Liston fights??????????????

I wonder.

cooper landed the best punch of his life ali was giving cooper a lesson one of ali's ealier downfalls was when he used to predict the round and refused to finish someone off until the predicted round

Raw Religion of Ali crap from pp.

Cooper bloodied Ali's nose 15 seconds into the fight.

Ali couldn't get out of the way of Cooper's left hook. Cooper landed it repeatedly and Ali had no defense for it.

But then in his very next fight against Liston Ali has a perfect defense?

No thank you.

The Cooper fight was for real. As was the Doug Jones fight.

Were the Liston fight(s) for real?

Don't make me laugh.

[observer1]

Ali couldn't get out of the way of Cooper's left hook. Cooper landed it repeatedly and Ali had no defense for it.

no defense for it?

didn't Ali Smash Cooper with Combos and big hits and win in a TKO in round 5?

yep no defense for it, Poor Ali never had a chance.

Granberry, who you working for?

[dagosd2000]

Maybe not a big underdog,but Charley White knocked down the great Benny Leonard with his big left hook only to have Benny get up to knock out White in the 9th round.

Ritchie Mitchell also knocked Leonard down in a title fight.

So did Rocky Kansas.

Charlie White knocked Leonard down and through the ropes.

The ref was Leonard's ref and the stoppage of the fight some rounds later in Leonard's favor was disputed.

Charley White's left hook traveled about an inch, 2 inches at most..

He came close to beating three champions---Abe Atell, Freddie Welsh, and Leonard.

"Life is the greatest left hooker there is,but some say it is Charley White"
E. Hemingway