Enzo Calzaghe & Hopkins face off

states · Post by **states** » 08 Feb 2008, 21:41

Max, it's not a case of other people judging upon reputation. It's a case of you not taking history into consideration. And anyone who disagrees with you is dismissed.

" but not many here go off anything else as well and considering alot have been fans of the sport for at least over 5 or so years"

Is a prime example. A lot of people here have, I'm sure, been boxing fans for more than 5 years*. And they take far more than a boxer's reputation into consideration when they consider said boxer's standing. I'm not sure you take more than your own opinion on how good a fighter is.

*I'm no Historian, but I've followed boxing for far more than 5 years, so I have no doubt that there are people on here who know far, far more than me. I have no idea why you think your opinion counts for more than anyone else. And please don't say 'You've misunderstood me, loads of people do'. Your idea that everyone apart from you has a total misunderstanding of how boxers should be ranked is insulting.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 09 Feb 2008, 07:36

jameswilson wrote:Does anyone else think of this bloke when they hear Enzo Calzaghe talk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPiGJBHVadA

No he reminded me more of this barber... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY6UngkXdjg ...when he isn't sounding so Welsh.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 10 Feb 2008, 22:07

Enzo absolutely defined quiet dignity at the sports personality of the year doo

actually, no he didnt....

prime · Post by **prime** » 12 Feb 2008, 18:25

The quiet man 2004 wrote:Ya reckon Enzo is just a little scared this fight could be a step too far for Joe.
Ive never seen him that involved at a press conference.

Come on Hopkins

i hope your not white

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Feb 2008, 21:35

Terry D wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
Terry D wrote: That is nonsense. Wright was not effective at the weight but a regional fighter? What the fook are you on?
I think I shall hold restraint when you overreacted saying what the fook I'm I on.

Wright at LHW Isn't better than Kessler or most of Joe's best names though. Wright a good name at middle but not Light Heavy or Super Middle.
Overreacted? The comment was so poor it defies reaction.

Wright is a good name, out of his weight sure but what regional title do you propose that Wright would not win? Central area beyond him is it?

The NABF title?

Calzaghe would always stop Winky, Hops looked bad against a tellytubby.

My comment would be spot on If Winky continued at LHW but thankfully he Is going down to middle despite weighing 170 on fight night so he shouldn't of been a fat 170 against Hop.

Pavlik would love Winky's tight flat footed style.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Feb 2008, 21:37

Ya reckon Enzo is just a little scared this fight could be a step too far for Joe.
Ive never seen him that involved at a press conference.

Come on Hopkins

Enzo said In boxing monthly that he wouldn't put his fighters In with someone too good for them though too.

states · Post by **states** » 13 Feb 2008, 21:38

In his opinion. I think Khan would be too good for Rees, but I'm sure Enzo would disagree.

That's another matter though. No chance does Enzo think Hopkins is better than Joe. Enzo believes in Joe more than Joe does. And Joe is going to be too good for Hopkins. It'll no doubt be messy, and probably close. But there's only one winner for me.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Feb 2008, 21:44

states wrote:Max, it's not a case of other people judging upon reputation. It's a case of you not taking history into consideration. And anyone who disagrees with you is dismissed.

" but not many here go off anything else as well and considering alot have been fans of the sport for at least over 5 or so years"

Is a prime example. A lot of people here have, I'm sure, been boxing fans for more than 5 years*. And they take far more than a boxer's reputation into consideration when they consider said boxer's standing. I'm not sure you take more than your own opinion on how good a fighter is.

*I'm no Historian, but I've followed boxing for far more than 5 years, so I have no doubt that there are people on here who know far, far more than me. I have no idea why you think your opinion counts for more than anyone else. And please don't say 'You've misunderstood me, loads of people do'. Your idea that everyone apart from you has a total misunderstanding of how boxers should be ranked is insulting.

I don't dismiss people because they disagree. I state why I disagree and we debate.

My take on how good a fighter Is, Is when I watch them fight on Tv. I look at their styles more and see how they fare against someone else's.

I didn't say my opinion counts far more than others and I don't think that. Is this because I said that some people who have followed the sport for at least more than 5 years have terrible judging?

Your just making accusations up over one little sentence. It doesn't mean I think my opinion Is better and It doesn't mean I think people have a total misunderstanding of how boxers should be ranked.

I'll say you misunderstand because you did clearly.

states · Post by **states** » 13 Feb 2008, 21:56

If anyone needs me, I'll be banging my head against the nearest brick wall.....

I'm not making accusations here, I'm not saying you're some sort of egomaniac who feels everyone else knows shit. I'm just saying that your criteria for rating fighters differs from how I, and many other people rate fighters. Yet you always claim that people factor in results and achievement too highly. Which implies that you think it's wrong to do such a thing. Ergo, you feel your way of rating fighters is better.

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 14 Feb 2008, 15:01

Going back a bit: the two Enzos are fully aware of Haye's power, they're just hoping to lure him into a repeat of the Thompson fight.

David has faster hands and footwork, so he'll want to take control from the bell, not letting Mac find any rhythm. He just has to remember to watch out for the rope-a-dope. I expect Enzo to start very cautiously, which might surprise a few.