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Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 03:43
by HomicideHenry
Take LaStarza's word for it, he said the biggest difference between Marciano of the first fight and the second was that he was far more harder to hit; LaStarza urinated blood after the fight from the brutal body blows and said "He (Rocky) really busted me up," and was also quoted as saying "I could make ten rounds against him, but I couldn't fifteen."
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 05:27
by granberry
HomicideHenry wrote:Take LaStarza's word for it, he said the biggest difference between Marciano of the first fight and the second was that he was far more harder to hit; LaStarza urinated blood after the fight from the brutal body blows and said "He (Rocky) really busted me up," and was also quoted as saying "I could make ten rounds against him, but I couldn't fifteen."
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 10:13
by Ambling Alp
Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat. Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 13:37
by granberry
[b]Ambling Alp[/b] wrote:Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat.
Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.
Mental giant Alp doesn't know that Marciano fought LaStarza?
Twice?
Alp, you have SO MUCH to offer.
Keep the
DEEP THOUGHTS coming.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 13:53
by ebeneezer
granberry wrote:[b]Ambling Alp[/b] wrote:Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat.
Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.
Mental giant Alp doesn't know that Marciano fought LaStarza?
Twice?
Alp, you have SO MUCH to offer.
Keep the
DEEP THOUGHTS coming.
You still haven't gotten back to us on how the Cooney vs Young fight was a fix
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 14:34
by dempseyfire
He wasn't Chris Byrd but Marciano had a very solid defense and was not easy to hit. He was vulnerable to counter-shots as virtually all fighters are (and in Walcott, Moore, and Charles he fought 3 expert counterers) but beyond that he was very difficult to pinpoint shots on . . he developed a perfect defense for his frame and style.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:23
by granberry
ebeneezer wrote:granberry wrote:[b]Ambling Alp[/b] wrote:Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat.
Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.
Mental giant Alp doesn't know that Marciano fought LaStarza?
Twice?
Alp, you have SO MUCH to offer.
Keep the
DEEP THOUGHTS coming.
You still haven't gotten back to us on how the Cooney vs Young fight was a fix
Ebeneezer will never know.
LOL
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:28
by Ambling Alp
I'm sorry, is this whole thing some kind of joke?
We are now to the point of saying that Marciano had a very solid defense? Rocky Marciano?Wow.
I'm sure there is a video of Chris Bryd actually knocking someone out. Does this means that he was a brutal puncher?
Marciano often led with head, inviting it to be hit.
Yes, he was vulnerable to counter punching, especially since some of his wild punches missed by a lot much which left himself so wide open.
Being vulnerable to counter punching isn't an excuse for getting hit a lot.
Outside of the 2nd Marciano-Walcott "fight", how many fights has anyone seen of Marciano that he got hit very little?
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
In their first fight, which unfortunately isn't available on film, LaStarza allegedly hit Marciano quite a bit and many people who attended the fight thought that LaStarza should have gotten the decision.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:30
by Controversial
HomicideHenry wrote:Take LaStarza's word for it, he said the biggest difference between Marciano of the first fight and the second was that he was far more harder to hit; LaStarza urinated blood after the fight from the brutal body blows and said "He (Rocky) really busted me up," and was also quoted as saying "I could make ten rounds against him, but I couldn't fifteen."
Theres no doubt Marciano could punch but LaStarza wasn't a truely great heavyweight IMO, fairly decent, but he wouldn't be in anyones greatest heavyweights list. He had a lot of wins but against average opponents and normally had to take them the distance to do so.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:35
by granberry
Ambling Alp wrote:
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
I have a little tip for you here, alp.
Marciano
WON all of those fights.
LOL
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:38
by pundit
granberry wrote:Ambling Alp wrote:
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
I have a little tip for you here, alp.
Marciano
WON all of those fights.
LOL
Which hardly implies his outstanding defense won him the fights.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:42
by granberry
pundit wrote:granberry wrote:Ambling Alp wrote:
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
I have a little tip for you here, alp.
Marciano
WON all of those fights.
LOL
Which hardly implies his outstanding defense won him the fights.
What kind of "defense" did Walcott, Charles, Louis, LaStarza show
as Marciano
KNOCKED THEM OUT?
.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 15:46
by pundit
granberry wrote:pundit wrote:granberry wrote:
I have a little tip for you here, alp.
Marciano WON all of those fights.
LOL
Which hardly implies his outstanding defense won him the fights.
What kind of "defense" did Walcott, Charles, Louis, LaStarza show
as Marciano
KNOCKED THEM OUT?
.
You're confused about the topic. It's about
Marciano's defense, not Walcott's, Charles', Louis', or LaStarza's.
Noone disputes that these fellas were old, small, or both by the time Marciano fought them.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:13
by granberry
.
The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.
But we already know that, punkit.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:18
by pundit
granberry wrote:.
The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.
But we already know that, punkit.
You're confused about the topic
again, buddy. No Ken Burns here, no media operations.
You need to focus better if you want to be perceived as writing intelligible posts.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:32
by granberry
pundit wrote:granberry wrote:.
The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.
But we already know that, punkit.
You're confused about the topic
again, buddy. No Ken Burns here, no media operations.
You need to focus better if you want to be perceived as writing intelligible posts.
Do you
HATE Marciano, punkit?
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:34
by DaveV17
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Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:37
by pundit
granberry wrote:pundit wrote:granberry wrote:.
The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.
But we already know that, punkit.
You're confused about the topic
again, buddy. No Ken Burns here, no media operations.
You need to focus better if you want to be perceived as writing intelligible posts.
Do you
HATE Marciano, punkit?
Hell no. Actually it seems that he was a pretty nice man.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:39
by BigJuicyHog
Is Gran drunk in this thread?
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:44
by granberry
BigJuicyHog wrote:Is Gran drunk in this thread?
Bigjuicyhog slurps his slop while he watches his Ken Burns 'documentaries.'
As far as hog knows, Ken Burns and Bert Sugar are "experts" on boxing. Not to mention Thomas Hauser and Norman Mailer.
The Ken Burns agenda rules for the clueless like hog.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:55
by dempseyfire
Ambling Alp wrote:I'm sorry, is this whole thing some kind of joke?
We are now to the point of saying that Marciano had a very solid defense? Rocky Marciano?Wow.
I'm sure there is a video of Chris Bryd actually knocking someone out. Does this means that he was a brutal puncher?
Marciano often led with head, inviting it to be hit.
Yes, he was vulnerable to counter punching, especially since some of his wild punches missed by a lot much which left himself so wide open.
Being vulnerable to counter punching isn't an excuse for getting hit a lot.
Outside of the 2nd Marciano-Walcott "fight", how many fights has anyone seen of Marciano that he got hit very little?
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
In their first fight, which unfortunately isn't available on film, LaStarza allegedly hit Marciano quite a bit and many people who attended the fight thought that LaStarza should have gotten the decision.
If by your definition Rocky had a poor defense, Evander Holyfield's defense plain sucked.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 16:58
by pundit
BigJuicyHog wrote:Is Gran drunk in this thread?
No, he is always like that.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 17:17
by granberry
pundit wrote:BigJuicyHog wrote:Is Gran drunk in this thread?
No, he is always like that.
punkit belongs to the Ken Burns (agenda-driven) school of boxing 'expertise.'
Marciano did not have the politically correct skin pigmentation, so he can't be any good.
.
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 17:42
by BigJuicyHog
There is no room for half-wits
All the Ali shills with spout their propaganda
Ken Burns and his robots control the world
How much wood would
a wood chuck chuck if Chuck Norris
could chuck wood
Jimmy Ellis, Joe Frazier, masturbation, jizz trough..mmmmmmm
Posted: 04 Mar 2008, 17:47
by Ambling Alp
dempseyfire wrote:Ambling Alp wrote:I'm sorry, is this whole thing some kind of joke?
We are now to the point of saying that Marciano had a very solid defense? Rocky Marciano?Wow.
I'm sure there is a video of Chris Bryd actually knocking someone out. Does this means that he was a brutal puncher?
Marciano often led with head, inviting it to be hit.
Yes, he was vulnerable to counter punching, especially since some of his wild punches missed by a lot much which left himself so wide open.
Being vulnerable to counter punching isn't an excuse for getting hit a lot.
Outside of the 2nd Marciano-Walcott "fight", how many fights has anyone seen of Marciano that he got hit very little?
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
In their first fight, which unfortunately isn't available on film, LaStarza allegedly hit Marciano quite a bit and many people who attended the fight thought that LaStarza should have gotten the decision.
If by your definition Rocky had a poor defense, Evander Holyfield's defense plain sucked.
Holyfield wasn't a great defensive fighter; I don't know anyone that thinks that he was. (Though lately I have heard crazier things on this forum.)
However, when Holyfield was close to his prime, he got hit less often than Marciano did by generally better competition than Marciano faced.
If you get hit a lot, (which Marciano did) then you don't have that good of a defense. This isn't exactly brain surgery here.