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Collins and bjermaine get all their "news" straight from Thomas Hauser and Larry Merchant.

Not to mention Norman Mailer and Bert Sugar.

All the news that fit to swallow and regurgitate back out.

F--- the documentary, this is a full-fledged feature film.

A rivalry forged against the backdrop of a universe in chaos --- two masterclass bullshitters, one Sith, the other Jedi, one evil, the other, errr, slightly less evil. This summer...get ready...to choose your side.

Granberry vs Don King in...

Star Wars - Episode VII: Edge Of Reality

granberry wrote:
who are not competent to see what is going without "guidance" of the Thomas Hausers, Larry Merchants, and Bert Sugars who are your mentors and guides to what you are supposed to swallow and then regurgitate back out about "boxing."

.

Actually matey, I don't listen in rapture to sozzled old wind bags like Merchant, Mailer & Sugar anymore than I'd listen to a sozzled old wind bag like yourself.
Ok, so it's heavily slanted in Ali's favour - but from a fight fan's POV, like myself and others, who have actually seen the fight in full, and Foreman & Ali's fights that proceeded it, you can make of it what you will, and take some of it with a pinch of salt, and still enjoy possibly the best main stream boxing movie ever put together.
It's a brilliant snap shot of the time and place, set around a fight that shows you just how big the sport could be - one of the greatest heavyweight events ever seen. How many people actually thought Ali was going to win? Not many, that's for sure.

Don't worry, Warrior. Granberry is a Philly trainspotter who loves the likes of Jerry "The Bull" Martin" (Jesus, those feet!) and Kevin "Greedy Clubfighter" Howard (two punches away from getting flattened by Leonard, yet demanding millions for his next fight).
Granberry was actually banned here a while ago (under another name).

MightyWarrior wrote:

granberry wrote:
I turn the SOUND OFF when I watch boxing.

I need NO COMMENTARY.

Wow HOW IMPRESSIVE!!

hahaha

i think when we were kings has a great speech for underdogs all around when ali says whats everyone afraid of there aint nothing to be afraid... when he gives that speech it makes me wanna get into the ring

Terry D wrote:On the old video release of Frazier-Ali I there was a documentary about the bout. It was very good. Showed Frazier in church and with his dogs. Ali messing around the town. It was pro-Frazier in many ways but interesting. Especially watching Archie Moore showing Burt Lancaster how to throw a jab.

Think that was just called "The Fight" and had no commentary at all, even over the full 15 rounds.

bennie wrote:Don't worry, Warrior. Granberry is a Philly trainspotter who loves the likes of Jerry "The Bull" Martin" (Jesus, those feet!) and Kevin "Greedy Clubfighter" Howard (two punches away from getting flattened by Leonard, yet demanding millions for his next fight).
Granberry was actually banned here a while ago (under another name).

Yeah, I looked at some of his other posts and he's obviously a slightly unbalanced loner type, and a twat of the highest order.

Just in case anyone thinks I'm hyping this film because I'm some sort of die hard Ali fan, that's not the case as my fav fighters tend to be from the lighter weights, Arguello, Nelson, Sanchez et all.

Speaking of which, there's a v good doc out of Puerto Rico called Bazooka - the Wilfredo Gomez story.

MightyWarrior wrote:

granberry wrote:
who are not competent to see what is going without "guidance" of the Thomas Hausers, Larry Merchants, and Bert Sugars who are your mentors and guides to what you are supposed to swallow and then regurgitate back out about "boxing."

.

Actually matey, I don't listen in rapture to sozzled old wind bags like Merchant, Mailer & Sugar anymore than I'd listen to a sozzled old wind bag like yourself.
Ok, so it's heavily slanted in Ali's favour - but from a fight fan's POV, like myself and others, who have actually seen the fight in full, and Foreman & Ali's fights that proceeded it, you can make of it what you will, and take some of it with a pinch of salt, and still enjoy possibly the best main stream boxing movie ever put together.
It's a brilliant snap shot of the time and place, set around a fight that shows you just how big the sport could be - one of the greatest heavyweight events ever seen. How many people actually thought Ali was going to win? Not many, that's for sure.

I agree. Yes the film is heavily biased and has its own agenda, but that doesn't make the footage not fascinating or well-shot. Not sure it's the best boxing doc ever though, unfortunately I can't think of many great ones. Ring of Fire was fascinating and very good.

'Latin Legends' is a good one, with some interesting fight and interview footage of, amongst others, Chavez, Gomez, Sanchez, Gavilan, Duran, Arguello.

p4p1 wrote:i think when we were kings has a great speech for underdogs all around when ali says whats everyone afraid of there aint nothing to be afraid... when he gives that speech it makes me wanna get into the ring

AS I SAID,

It was a propaganda piece aimed at retards.

It obviously hit the mark with you.

granberry wrote:

p4p1 wrote:i think when we were kings has a great speech for underdogs all around when ali says whats everyone afraid of there aint nothing to be afraid... when he gives that speech it makes me wanna get into the ring

AS I SAID,

It was a propaganda piece aimed at retards.

It obviously hit the mark with you.

"In an age of spin, granberry offers feeling and authenticity. His message is consistent -- unshakeable, in fact, no matter the evidence -- but he commands daily attention by his on-the-spot, invective-rich variations on the theme. His lunatic counterfactual art is more appealing than the banal awfulness of the co-called Reliable Sources. "

granberry wrote:Collins and bjermaine get all their "news" straight from Thomas Hauser and Larry Merchant.

Not to mention Norman Mailer and Bert Sugar.

All the news that fit to swallow and regurgitate back out.

What's the difference between Bert Sugar and granberry?

One is a boring old drunk with a only very limited knowldge of boxing and a gigantic ego. The other one wears a hat.

I am more interested in what Granberry says thank Bert Sugar.

Even if he is essentially a screen name on a boxing forum, with his own opinions.

When We Were Kings is the best boxing documentary ever made.

granberry wrote:bjer--You can kiss my *ss.

Brilliant mind.

collins - that picture was a great idea brilliantly executed.

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"They are not in Baghdad. They are not in control of any airport. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a hollywood movie. You do not believe them." - Collins

The Religion of Ali says, "This NEVER HAPPENED."

The Religion of Ali says, "This NEVER HAPPENED."

The Religion of Ali says, "This NEVER HAPPENED."

Its not that people say it never happened. Its just that its often used as either a defining point as to how resilient and well he could recover against such a hard shot/s (in the context of the fight) or it can be justified away as luck on Joe's part or he slipped.

In regards to knock downs, and I say this in regards to all great champs and contenders. There is no shame in getting knocked down. Getting up is where ones mettle is tested. Whether that be an Ali, or a Frazier...or guys who Yo Yo'd like Patterson, it is in getting up and showing that will and spirit that defines them as heroes to us.

Then there are those hard jawed sons of guns who never seem to get put on there asses. They are just tough SOBs with a great chin and an ability to absorb punishment.

Is say a Cobb or Chuvalo better than a Patterson or Ali because they were never dropped or KO'd ?

Those that are so up a fighter, that can not see his faults are as deluded as one who can not admit a fighters merits.

Kym

NONE of those photos will ever appear in a big media publication.

WHY?

Because they go against the Agenda.
.

Sadly most boxing photos wont appear in any big media these days asides from a Tyson doing something retarded.

Why....

because Boxing is slowly losing its relevance :(

Since Ali was unable to score a knockdown against Frazier in 3 fights,

the media repeatedly posts a picture of Ali throwing a punch at Frazier,

since that is the best they can come up with.

They would never DARE post the defining photo of Ali's career--

that of Frazier knocking Ali flat on his back--

because that goes against the Agenda.

I do agree there. Most pics of Ali that i can think of are of him as a triumphant boxing demi God.

A pop culure icon. A T-shirt super star.

For better or worse I have seen plenty of non boxing fans wearing
shirts of Ali with things like

"Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee" and a picture of him standing
triumphantly over Liston.

Or

"insert poem here" and him hands raised over Williams etc.

So that is true.

Here is something of interest that fits into a lot of what you have mentioned. My GF is studying Dentistry and at the Uni she goes to they have all these associations.... like the Nerds for Love, the Over eaters awareness group, Man love basket weaving association and the likes.

Any how this year a new one has sprung up

"Venezulean Allegiance League" it has all of the usual left wing dip shit socialist uni student stuff like shirts of Che' Guevara, Castro, Hugo Chavez off course and even a few Lenin ones.

Guess who else was on a heap of shirts they were selling...

Muhammad Ali.

Lots of them. One even had Ali in a 'Castro' like pose.
With a caption reading "Champion of the People"

Take that as you will, but there is no denying that Ali's ability to transcend boxing has seen him, whether by choice or not, the champion of some messed up causes and agendas.

sad really, meanwhile Ill go back to work, while these punks dream up a moronic utopia and study there arts degree while preaching nihilism so long as my tax dollars pay there days chores.


Forgive the rant.

Kym