Witter-Timothy Bradley May 10

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 26 Mar 2008, 07:20

Yes Cap'n Hook - Maussa, Lazcano, Urango, Collazo, Magee and a faded Castillo are SO superior to:

Bradley, Morua, Harris, Corley (would he have dropped/hurt Hatton like Magee/Collazo did, hmm?), Kotelnik, Bergman, Lynes, Ndou.

I actually like the comparison. Just look at the Euro level opposition. Lynes would win a EBU belt; Magee didn't, did he? At world class, Witter scraped by vs Kotelnik; Hatton appeared lucky in some quarters vs Collazo, etc

Hatton has overachieved, Witter has been allowed to wither. Yet still Witter looks the more cmfortably "world class" of the 2 fighters.

Of course, you can say "you can't compare the two" because Hatton fought Tszyu and Mayweather. However, if Hatton would fight Witter, then Witter would have a big name on his ledger, no?

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 07:36

I strongly disagree with some of the points made on opponents. Tszyu was arguably past his prime, but still a top 5 p4p fighter when he fought Ricky. Maussa was the third best LW when Hatton fought him. Maussa lost to Morua 2 years later at 147. And remember Maussa KTFO Harris in the same distance as Witter did two years later.

Corley was a gate keeper at 140 when Witter fought him. Castillo was past his best by about 2 years. Magee, when Hatton fought him, was about the same as when Kotelnik fought Witter (and the latter decision was closer).

I'm all for Hatton fighting Witter, and I'm disappointed at the fact that he hasn't and looks like he won't, but no way in a month of Sunday's has Junior fought better cumulative opposition, yet.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 26 Mar 2008, 07:47

Autobarn wrote:
ALI wrote:Witter's been fighting sh*t oponents his whole career, for a guy with so much talent its a crying bloody shame. Dont give me any of that "nobody wants to fight him" bollocks and only Timothy 'who the fcuk is he' Bradley is the best willing....... "ooo but he's a yank and its in America"....... piss off, he's an unkown and Witter is 30 fcuking 5 years old fighting, at best, twice a year!

Instead of chasing Hatton, he should consider following his lead!
Witter has simply not been able to get opponents. Gianluca Branco pulled out of a WBC elim in America. That is what it has been like consistently for Witter. That is also why he struggled with Ndou and Kotelnik because he's simply not had the nice gradual learning curve,

However, Jr has beaten Jan Bergman (Tszyu challenger), Kotelnik (debatable), Ndou (struggle, but JW scored knockdowns), Corley, Harris. Even Lynes is an opponent that looks better. Bradley looks like a decent opponent for a guy who can't get anyone to face him.

He's faced about the same # of good fighters as Hatton. When you think Hatton has always had the pick of everything, that reflects badly on Ricky IMO. When Hatton was relatively wasting his career on the WBU, Witter was being ducked despite holding Commonwealth & Euro belts.

It looks like agood night for boxing. Hennessy is putting on a great domestic card and a good fight in America.

Witter is being ducked blah blah blah, then he gets Bradley and that's ok?

Timothy fornicating Bradley?

And how can you compare?

Suddely Tszyu is over the hill and Castillo is a faded champ? Suddenly Morua, Lynes and Corley are world beaters? I like Lynes but give me a break, he's not world class.

When will Hatton get his props for beating Kostya Tszyu, rather than this constant stream of bile - "He was faded/over the hill/past it"

Bullshit.

What is your obsession with Magee? He was a strong fighter, Hatton beat him pretty convincingly after being knocked down in the first.

Mayweather on his bloody own is a class above all of Witter's last five opponents put together for goodness sake.

Hatton lost to him, but he did face him, so why is he getting slated - AGAIN

Too much Hatton bashing on here - AGAIN.

Just keep it to Witter and Bradley.....and Bradley is a B or C level opponent at best. You think Bradley is a "decent opponent" ??

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 26 Mar 2008, 07:49

PS Like Emerson says, a Hatton v Witter match-up would be great, but it's not happening now is it.

We'd all love to see it, of course we would.

But is Hatton going to get slated for fightin Lazcano while Witter fights Bradley, and then every opponent until he retires, unless it's Junior?

Ridiculous

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 Mar 2008, 07:54

Bradley is Witter's mandatory, some of you just can't seem to grasp that concept....

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 26 Mar 2008, 07:57

Captain Hook wrote:PS Like Emerson says, a Hatton v Witter match-up would be great, but it's not happening now is it.

We'd all love to see it, of course we would.

But is Hatton going to get slated for fightin Lazcano while Witter fights Bradley, and then every opponent until he retires, unless it's Junior?

Ridiculous

Does Hatton have the drawing power to choose who he fights and when he fights them?

Does Junior have to take what opportunities are afforded to him?

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:05

Chambers2 wrote:
Captain Hook wrote:PS Like Emerson says, a Hatton v Witter match-up would be great, but it's not happening now is it.

We'd all love to see it, of course we would.

But is Hatton going to get slated for fightin Lazcano while Witter fights Bradley, and then every opponent until he retires, unless it's Junior?

Ridiculous
Does Hatton have the drawing power to choose who he fights and when he fights them?

Does Junior have to take what opportunities are afforded to him?

To be fair, Junior's hardly been innocent when it comes to the public. His Emmanuel Augustus impression against Zab Judah was his own fault and his public calling out of Hatton (whilst Junior was fighting domestic level opposition) didn't do him any favours.

Maybe that could be levelled at his Promoter(s) instead. Either way, it sure as sht ain't Ricky's fault bud.

To be a big fish, Junior needs another belt IMO to garner some real respect from the US. Frankly, Timothy Bradley isn't even in Junior's class, but a mandatory is a mandatory.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:10

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:
Captain Hook wrote:PS Like Emerson says, a Hatton v Witter match-up would be great, but it's not happening now is it.

We'd all love to see it, of course we would.

But is Hatton going to get slated for fightin Lazcano while Witter fights Bradley, and then every opponent until he retires, unless it's Junior?

Ridiculous
Does Hatton have the drawing power to choose who he fights and when he fights them?

Does Junior have to take what opportunities are afforded to him?
To be fair, Junior's hardly been innocent when it comes to the public. His Emmanuel Augustus impression against Zab Judah was his own fault and his public calling out of Hatton (whilst Junior was fighting domestic level opposition) didn't do him any favours.

Maybe that could be levelled at his Promoter(s) instead. Either way, it sure as sht ain't Ricky's fault bud.

To be a big fish, Junior needs another belt IMO to garner some real respect from the US. Frankly, Timothy Bradley isn't even in Junior's class, but a mandatory is a mandatory.

tbh I don't mind Hatton fighting Lazcano in his comeback fight (although PPV is taking the Michael), what grips my shit is the fact that he won't fight Junior Witter in his next 3 fights

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:13

Chambers2 wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Chambers2 wrote: Does Hatton have the drawing power to choose who he fights and when he fights them?

Does Junior have to take what opportunities are afforded to him?
To be fair, Junior's hardly been innocent when it comes to the public. His Emmanuel Augustus impression against Zab Judah was his own fault and his public calling out of Hatton (whilst Junior was fighting domestic level opposition) didn't do him any favours.

Maybe that could be levelled at his Promoter(s) instead. Either way, it sure as sht ain't Ricky's fault bud.

To be a big fish, Junior needs another belt IMO to garner some real respect from the US. Frankly, Timothy Bradley isn't even in Junior's class, but a mandatory is a mandatory.
tbh I don't mind Hatton fighting Lazcano in his comeback fight (although PPV is taking the Michael), what grips my shit is the fact that he won't fight Junior Witter in his next 3 fights

I have a feeling he might fight Junior after Malinaggi. Pacman v Marquez 3 will keep Manny busy now.

Wait until the undercard is announced and you might change your mind about whether it's value for money.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:13

nickd wrote:Bradley is Witter's mandatory, some of you just can't seem to grasp that concept....

We can grasp the concept pal, we're not thick....Mandatory or not, nobody has heard of him.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:15

Hatton was name-checking Tszyu and Judah in 2000-2001.

Witter had already fought one of them by then.

And it took Hatton 4-5 years to step up from Oliveria, Tackie and Phillips to that level.

Witter took it on short notice, its all about circumstances, Hatton has been well promoted.

Witter hasn't. He's been well managed in securing WBC belt but they've failed to make people interested in him.

And Junior has his role to play in that, he stank at just the wrong times.

Judah, the BelgianDutch fella, Lynes....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:38

Hatton has stank a few times as well...

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:47

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote: . Maussa was the third best LW when Hatton fought him. Maussa lost to Morua 2 years later at 147. And .

Actually Emerson, Morua beat Maussa 11months prior to Ricky Hatton fighting him at 140. Therefore Maussa was never top3 at the weight and Morua is clearly better than him. And Maussa is now a big scalp where as Morua is a bum? Thats the general concensus but its clearly wrong. maussa would lose his next 2 fights after Hatton to journeymen.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:50

Captain Hook wrote:
nickd wrote:Bradley is Witter's mandatory, some of you just can't seem to grasp that concept....
We can grasp the concept pal, we're not thick....Mandatory or not, nobody has heard of him.

Witter didnt choose him he has to fight him or lose his belt, simple as Witter cant avoid mandos

dbf · Post by **dbf** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:52

Autobarn wrote:Hatton has stank a few times as well...

And this is what irks me about the whole thing. Junior is labelled as boring etc yet Hatton's hit and hold dross since fighting Tszyu seems to go relatively unpunished?

He was still calling himself 'Mr Excitement' after the joke that was the Urango fight.

Well done to whoever said that Hatton was an overachiever, he has done extremely well to beat Tyszu and Castillo and even better fooling everyone that he is a pound for pound figther.

No disrespect to Hatton as he is a nice fella and has done the sport well.

dbf · Post by **dbf** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:58

search wrote:maussa struck the lottery against Harris who weighted in at 134 pounds

Absoulutely. And I wouldn't agree Harris got KTFO. It appeared to be exhaustion more than a brutal knockout which KTFO would imply.

If Harris would have destroyed Maussa I very much doubt Ricky would have unifed the titles with him.

Urango got a gift against Rabbah and was a relative novice, yet he was more than suitable for Ricky? What has he done since?

How many times must Ricky Win and vacate the IBF 140 belt?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:59

DavidPayne wrote:Hatton was name-checking Tszyu and Judah in 2000-2001.

Witter had already fought one of them by then.

And it took Hatton 4-5 years to step up from Oliveria, Tackie and Phillips to that level.

Witter took it on short notice, its all about circumstances, Hatton has been well promoted.

Witter hasn't. He's been well managed in securing WBC belt but they've failed to make people interested in him.

And Junior has his role to play in that, he stank at just the wrong times.

Judah, the BelgianDutch fella, Lynes....

to be fair Dave, promoters can only do so much. If it was all down to promoters, then Warren would have had countless Hamed's and Hatton's. Benn's and Eubanks on his books. Such fighters that capture the public imagination are rare, and Witter has never been one of them.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 08:59

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote: . Maussa was the third best LW when Hatton fought him. Maussa lost to Morua 2 years later at 147. And .
Actually Emerson, Morua beat Maussa 11months prior to Ricky Hatton fighting him at 140. Therefore Maussa was never top3 at the weight and Morua is clearly better than him. And Maussa is now a big scalp where as Morua is a bum? Thats the general concensus but its clearly wrong. maussa would lose his next 2 fights after Hatton to journeymen.

Apologies, I thought Maussa lost to Morua on the Mosley v Cotto undercard at 147.

Either way, Maussa is better than Harris.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:01

dbf wrote:
search wrote:maussa struck the lottery against Harris who weighted in at 134 pounds
Absoulutely. And I wouldn't agree Harris got KTFO. It appeared to be exhaustion more than a brutal knockout which KTFO would imply.

If Harris would have destroyed Maussa I very much doubt Ricky would have unifed the titles with him.

Urango got a gift against Rabbah and was a relative novice, yet he was more than suitable for Ricky? What has he done since?

How many times must Ricky Win and vacate the IBF 140 belt?

I have the fight on DVD if you'd like to watch it again. He got KTFO.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:02

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote: . Maussa was the third best LW when Hatton fought him. Maussa lost to Morua 2 years later at 147. And .
Actually Emerson, Morua beat Maussa 11months prior to Ricky Hatton fighting him at 140. Therefore Maussa was never top3 at the weight and Morua is clearly better than him. And Maussa is now a big scalp where as Morua is a bum? Thats the general concensus but its clearly wrong. maussa would lose his next 2 fights after Hatton to journeymen.
Apologies, I thought Maussa lost to Morua on the Mosley v Cotto undercard at 147.

Either way, Maussa is better than Harris.

No chance Maussa got lucky, if you watch the fight Harris floored Maussa with the first shot he threw and proceeded to punch himself out. Harris at his best has the potential to beat the best in the division and beat some good names Maussa does not and got lucky against a Harris who was at his worst

Hatton has only 1 scalp better than Harris in Tyszu.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:04

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Actually Emerson, Morua beat Maussa 11months prior to Ricky Hatton fighting him at 140. Therefore Maussa was never top3 at the weight and Morua is clearly better than him. And Maussa is now a big scalp where as Morua is a bum? Thats the general concensus but its clearly wrong. maussa would lose his next 2 fights after Hatton to journeymen.
Apologies, I thought Maussa lost to Morua on the Mosley v Cotto undercard at 147.

Either way, Maussa is better than Harris.
No chance Maussa got lucky, if you watch the fight Harris floored Maussa with the first shot he threw and proceeded to punch himself out. Harris at his best has the potential to beat the best in the division and beat some good names Maussa does not and got lucky against a Harris who was at his worst

Hatton has only 1 scalp better than Harris in Tyszu.

Yes, Harris clearly punched himself out. Maussa was just a one hit wonder. Even so, he was able to land cleanly on Hatton enough to suggest that Ricky was making hard work of it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:05

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Actually Emerson, Morua beat Maussa 11months prior to Ricky Hatton fighting him at 140. Therefore Maussa was never top3 at the weight and Morua is clearly better than him. And Maussa is now a big scalp where as Morua is a bum? Thats the general concensus but its clearly wrong. maussa would lose his next 2 fights after Hatton to journeymen.
Apologies, I thought Maussa lost to Morua on the Mosley v Cotto undercard at 147.

Either way, Maussa is better than Harris.
No chance Maussa got lucky, if you watch the fight Harris floored Maussa with the first shot he threw and proceeded to punch himself out. Harris at his best has the potential to beat the best in the division and beat some good names Maussa does not and got lucky against a Harris who was at his worst

Hatton has only 1 scalp better than Harris in Tyszu.

Yes, Harris clearly punched himself out. Maussa was just a one hit wonder. Even so, he was able to land cleanly on Hatton enough to suggest that Ricky was making hard work of it.

The Blade · Post by **The Blade** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:05

In amongst all this tedious Witter/Hatton stuff is an underlying fact. Junior v Bradley is to be screened live on ITV 1 along with Froch-Inkin. It is on the Nottingham bill and will give Junior fantastic profile. Irrespective of what Ricky is doing, that is great news for Witter.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:06

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Actually Emerson, Morua beat Maussa 11months prior to Ricky Hatton fighting him at 140. Therefore Maussa was never top3 at the weight and Morua is clearly better than him. And Maussa is now a big scalp where as Morua is a bum? Thats the general concensus but its clearly wrong. maussa would lose his next 2 fights after Hatton to journeymen.
Apologies, I thought Maussa lost to Morua on the Mosley v Cotto undercard at 147.

Either way, Maussa is better than Harris.
No chance Maussa got lucky, if you watch the fight Harris floored Maussa with the first shot he threw and proceeded to punch himself out. Harris at his best has the potential to beat the best in the division and beat some good names Maussa does not and got lucky against a Harris who was at his worst

Hatton has only 1 scalp better than Harris in Tyszu.

Here's the fight. Maussa was battering Harris in round 1, Andy, so he wasn't punched out. I still think Maussa should've been DQ'd though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pwj_7Ulyco

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Mar 2008, 09:07

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote: Apologies, I thought Maussa lost to Morua on the Mosley v Cotto undercard at 147.

Either way, Maussa is better than Harris.
No chance Maussa got lucky, if you watch the fight Harris floored Maussa with the first shot he threw and proceeded to punch himself out. Harris at his best has the potential to beat the best in the division and beat some good names Maussa does not and got lucky against a Harris who was at his worst

Hatton has only 1 scalp better than Harris in Tyszu.
Yes, Harris clearly punched himself out. Maussa was just a one hit wonder. Even so, he was able to land cleanly on Hatton enough to suggest that Ricky was making hard work of it.

I've just posted the link James. Suggest you all look at it, as Muassa was clearly swinging away from round 1.