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what about 'growth Hormone" any fighters ever admitted to that ?
I was thinking of some middleweights/light heavyweights
who wanted to be a heavyweight.
what are the effects of taking growth hormone if the bones in your body have already
( or just about to fuse) which is sometime around the early 20's I think.
does your cranium became bigger ?
remember the changes of the one pro baseball player during those
"Home run" chases ?

90% of top guys from 70s to this day are PED users. Golden era of boxing was also golder era of steroids.

yeah, i remember there was a thread on which boxer's had the best physiques.
( i.e "Rip-chord physiques)
and you didnt see too many HW with "Rip-chord" physiques
prior to the mid 1970's.i
Cleveland Williams comes to mind.
dude was more "sinewy' .

In which years were some well known athletes in Football, Baseball, Basketball, Track & Field
first caight doin' "The Juice" ?
cuz it would have been around that time that some Boxers would have followed suite no doubt.

Caractacus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2022, 17:41 In which years were some well known athletes in Football, Baseball, Basketball, Track & Field
first caight doin' "The Juice" ?
cuz it would have been around that time that some Boxers would have followed suite no doubt.

Dianabol hit the market in the US around 1958, after John Ziegler learned about doping from the Russians at the 54 Olympics. It's pretty safe to assume many athletes started using it shortly thereafter. The first banned "supplement" list wasn't until the late 60's and they didn't become illegal in the US until 1991.

Basically you have about a decade of time where use would have not been considered much of an issue, followed by about three more decades of it being banned in sports but not illegal.

In short, close to a majority, if not the majority of athletes have probably been using PED's since 1960.

And to answer your previous question, HGH does make the skull grow.

fourreal wrote: ↑28 Mar 2008, 21:45 SRL when he became an overnight LHW

Hearns made a comment before his rematch with Leonard, regarding Leonard's size and muscle structure

He weighed 158 when he fought Hagler. He then put on 7 pounds in the next 19 months when he fought LaLonde. Back down to 160 when he fought Hearns. Not sure what is so strange about this.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Sep 2022, 19:15

Caractacus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2022, 17:41 In which years were some well known athletes in Football, Baseball, Basketball, Track & Field
first caight doin' "The Juice" ?
cuz it would have been around that time that some Boxers would have followed suite no doubt.

Dianabol hit the market in the US around 1958, after John Ziegler learned about doping from the Russians at the 54 Olympics. It's pretty safe to assume many athletes started using it shortly thereafter. The first banned "supplement" list wasn't until the late 60's and they didn't become illegal in the US until 1991.

Basically you have about a decade of time where use would have not been considered much of an issue, followed by about three more decades of it being banned in sports but not illegal.

In short, close to a majority, if not the majority of athletes have probably been using PED's since 1960.

And to answer your previous question, HGH does make the skull grow.

1960? No way.

Can’t be far off that surely, apparently bodybuilders were using steroids and testosterone in the 50s

anyone know were the boxing term "Second Wind" got started.
I have always been suspicious when a boxing commentator says
a fighter has 'gotten their second wind".
because a lot of times a round before the boxer looked like they were on the verge of collapse.

https://sites.smu.edu/shulermuseum/publ ... r1934b.pdf

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 10:43

punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Sep 2022, 19:15

Caractacus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2022, 17:41 In which years were some well known athletes in Football, Baseball, Basketball, Track & Field
first caight doin' "The Juice" ?
cuz it would have been around that time that some Boxers would have followed suite no doubt.

Dianabol hit the market in the US around 1958, after John Ziegler learned about doping from the Russians at the 54 Olympics. It's pretty safe to assume many athletes started using it shortly thereafter. The first banned "supplement" list wasn't until the late 60's and they didn't become illegal in the US until 1991.

Basically you have about a decade of time where use would have not been considered much of an issue, followed by about three more decades of it being banned in sports but not illegal.

In short, close to a majority, if not the majority of athletes have probably been using PED's since 1960.

And to answer your previous question, HGH does make the skull grow.

1960? No way.

Absolutely. Why wouldn’t an athlete use a legal substance acquired from a doctor that at that time had no negative stigma attached to it?

Controversial wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 12:46 Can’t be far off that surely, apparently bodybuilders were using steroids and testosterone in the 50s

There were some bodybuilders that admitted using testosterone as early as the late 30s/early 40s.

When looking at the reported measurements of the early Mr. America winners the changes in arms/chest sizes from the 40s-60s were pretty striking. Some is due to improved equipment and access, but mostly it was due to supplements.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 13:50

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 10:43

punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Sep 2022, 19:15

Dianabol hit the market in the US around 1958, after John Ziegler learned about doping from the Russians at the 54 Olympics. It's pretty safe to assume many athletes started using it shortly thereafter. The first banned "supplement" list wasn't until the late 60's and they didn't become illegal in the US until 1991.

Basically you have about a decade of time where use would have not been considered much of an issue, followed by about three more decades of it being banned in sports but not illegal.

In short, close to a majority, if not the majority of athletes have probably been using PED's since 1960.

And to answer your previous question, HGH does make the skull grow.

1960? No way.

Absolutely. Why wouldn’t an athlete use a legal substance acquired from a doctor that at that time had no negative stigma attached to it?

First of all, we don't know how many people are using this stuff at anyone one time. Even a given athlete doesn't know what everyone else is doing.
We really don't know how many are taking it right now. All we have is wild guesses.

In some sports some athletes wouldn't have even been aware that this existed. It certainly wasn't as readily available as it would later become.
In some sports (such as baseball and basketball) getting bigger was discouraged.

We can only make rough guesses even now for current athletes.
Saying that as majority of athletes were using it in 1960 is simply a wild statement.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 15:49

punchoutsb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 13:50

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 10:43
1960? No way.

Absolutely. Why wouldn’t an athlete use a legal substance acquired from a doctor that at that time had no negative stigma attached to it?

First of all, we don't know how many people are using this stuff at anyone one time. Even a given athlete doesn't know what everyone else is doing.
We really don't know how many are taking it right now. All we have is wild guesses.

In some sports some athletes wouldn't have even been aware that this existed. It certainly wasn't as readily available as it would later become.
In some sports (such as baseball and basketball) getting bigger was discouraged.

We can only make rough guesses even now for current athletes.
Saying that as majority of athletes were using it in 1960 is simply a wild statement.

I should quickly clarify I made a mistake in the post you quoted and meant to say 1960’s, not specifically the year 1960.

Of course it’s all guess work, since athletes now cannot be upfront about it and athletes then saw what became of it…it will always be very hush hush.

Sports started to change in the 60’s. Bodies changed, athletes starting getting bigger, faster and stronger. Steroids absolutely were readily available, long term effects were unknown, and there wasn’t much of a stigma.

I'm sure it was more prevalent in 1969 than 1960, but still.
Maybe a majority in football, and that is pushing it.
No way the majority of baseball players and basketball players were back then, if ever.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 16:18 I'm sure it was more prevalent in 1969 than 1960, but still.
Maybe a majority in football, and that is pushing it.
No way the majority of baseball players and basketball players were back then, if ever.

The most basic explanation of PED's is that they help you recover faster and more effectively from intense training, the perfect off-season "vitamin". When literally hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake and tests are easy to beat (or no tests at all for decades...), you don't think that temptation may be too much? Sid Gillman had his entire team on them in 1963...when they transformed from a 4-10 team to winning the championship in a single year. It wasn't much of a secret what they did or how effective it was.

There is a reason why the IOC banned steroids and it's not because athletes weren't using them. If amateur athletes were, why wouldn't professionals? I think there was an article in Sports Illustrated in 61 or 62 that referred to "drug happy athletes" in reference to sports in the US at that time.

the boxers of the past surely had too much integrity

yeah, people before 1990 usually did.

I think Cal Boulder was as big as a person could get, sans steroids.

We'll never know for sure because drug-testing back in the 70's and 80's in boxing was far less stringent than now. Tyson admitted getting others to piss for him, i'm sure he wasn't the only one cute enough to pull that type of move.

The Eastern bloc countries began to dominate Athletics from the 70's onwards, it's difficult to believe those drugs weren't finding their way into western sports. Certainly by the time of Ben Johnson, American sport was rife with steroid usage. I suspect a lot of top boxers after 84/88 Olympics would have been able to get hold of the juice because those games were absolutely rife with steroid users.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 16:39 the boxers of the past surely had too much integrity

punchoutsb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 16:07

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 15:49

punchoutsb wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 13:50

Absolutely. Why wouldn’t an athlete use a legal substance acquired from a doctor that at that time had no negative stigma attached to it?

First of all, we don't know how many people are using this stuff at anyone one time. Even a given athlete doesn't know what everyone else is doing.
We really don't know how many are taking it right now. All we have is wild guesses.

In some sports some athletes wouldn't have even been aware that this existed. It certainly wasn't as readily available as it would later become.
In some sports (such as baseball and basketball) getting bigger was discouraged.

We can only make rough guesses even now for current athletes.
Saying that as majority of athletes were using it in 1960 is simply a wild statement.

I should quickly clarify I made a mistake in the post you quoted and meant to say 1960’s, not specifically the year 1960.

Of course it’s all guess work, since athletes now cannot be upfront about it and athletes then saw what became of it…it will always be very hush hush.

Sports started to change in the 60’s. Bodies changed, athletes starting getting bigger, faster and stronger. Steroids absolutely were readily available, long term effects were unknown, and there wasn’t much of a stigma.

It’s only people who have not competed in anything that think athletes (I.e. their heroes) wouldn’t take performance enhancers.

The question of PEDS has been asked to fighters on podcasts I’ve listened to and they’ve said it’s rife in the sport so even with all the testing now it doesn’t deter some. So when testing wasn’t a thing it stands to reason it would’ve been even more rife.

Anyone that fails a PED test should not be allowed in the IBHOF.

Robinson wrote: ↑26 Mar 2008, 00:42 As this is a topic that pops up in most sports more and more, I am interested to know what boxers of the past and present who have admitted to using, tested positive to or have been linked to with good suspicion steroids and performance enhancing drugs.

Thanks guys

i honestly think over 85 percent were taking some sort of ped just like today, i wouldnt be surprised if the boxer or even the trainer didnt even know they were remember peds have been around since ww2, i mean rocky 4 was getting at it , the ones who werent were not heard off i cant think of a champ who werent maybe floyd ?