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vagabundo55 wrote:

plopeater wrote:Again opinions appreciated. I'm still learning

01.Sugar Ray Robinson
02.Nigel Benn
03.Mike McCallum
04.Kelly Pavlik
05.Herol Graham
06.Arthur Abraham
07.Marvin Hagler
08.John Duddy
09.Jake Lamotta
10.Gary Lockett

It's a solid list for a fan who is a bit new to the sport or for one who follows British boxing rather than international boxing. Solid names who easily make an argument for anyone's top 10 list include Robinson, Hagler, and LaMotta. Benn, McCallum, and Lockett are all solid fighters, but there are a few names I could think off the top of my head who would be a nightmare for them. Greb, Monzon, Burley, and even Hopkins in my humble opinion are missing from this list. (To be honest though I only know Burley and Greb from what i've read, but i've read enough to believe it.) Another tip, generally when making a list it is either, an all-time list or an active fighters list. On your list there are two fighters who may or may not end up being in the top 20 middleweights of all time, Pavlik and Abraham. Overall, it's a fan's list not quite an accurate one, but we all start somewhere.

cheers for your input mate

really appreciated

plopeater wrote:

vagabundo55 wrote:

plopeater wrote:Again opinions appreciated. I'm still learning

01.Sugar Ray Robinson
02.Nigel Benn
03.Mike McCallum
04.Kelly Pavlik
05.Herol Graham
06.Arthur Abraham
07.Marvin Hagler
08.John Duddy
09.Jake Lamotta
10.Gary Lockett

It's a solid list for a fan who is a bit new to the sport or for one who follows British boxing rather than international boxing. Solid names who easily make an argument for anyone's top 10 list include Robinson, Hagler, and LaMotta. Benn, McCallum, and Lockett are all solid fighters, but there are a few names I could think off the top of my head who would be a nightmare for them. Greb, Monzon, Burley, and even Hopkins in my humble opinion are missing from this list. (To be honest though I only know Burley and Greb from what i've read, but i've read enough to believe it.) Another tip, generally when making a list it is either, an all-time list or an active fighters list. On your list there are two fighters who may or may not end up being in the top 20 middleweights of all time, Pavlik and Abraham. Overall, it's a fan's list not quite an accurate one, but we all start somewhere.

cheers for your input mate

really appreciated

No problem, never a wasted breath when there's a listening ear. My advice is if you find boxing really interests you, investing in buying a few tapes wouldn't be a bad idea.

Not sure where to go with this. If you are truly wanting to learn the history, you'll need to do some reading, about the champs, their eras/top contenders, depth of divisions at a particular time etc. From the reading, you can go to the films (I would read first so you know exactly what you're looking at) The Middleweights have a DEEP history, it may take awhile.

Until then, it'd be best to refrain from making top 10 "all-time" lists if you really lack in-depth knowledge of the history. I know some basic baseball history for example, but I would be out of my league making a top 10 list of the best catchers ever. Not trying to sound condescending, just learn all you can

vagabundo55 wrote:

plopeater wrote:

vagabundo55 wrote: It's a solid list for a fan who is a bit new to the sport or for one who follows British boxing rather than international boxing. Solid names who easily make an argument for anyone's top 10 list include Robinson, Hagler, and LaMotta. Benn, McCallum, and Lockett are all solid fighters, but there are a few names I could think off the top of my head who would be a nightmare for them. Greb, Monzon, Burley, and even Hopkins in my humble opinion are missing from this list. (To be honest though I only know Burley and Greb from what i've read, but i've read enough to believe it.) Another tip, generally when making a list it is either, an all-time list or an active fighters list. On your list there are two fighters who may or may not end up being in the top 20 middleweights of all time, Pavlik and Abraham. Overall, it's a fan's list not quite an accurate one, but we all start somewhere.

cheers for your input mate

really appreciated

No problem, never a wasted breath when there's a listening ear. My advice is if you find boxing really interests you, investing in buying a few tapes wouldn't be a bad idea.

where would i get these from

1. Hagler
2. Monzon
3. Greb
4. Robinson
5. Ketchel
6. Jones
7. Fitzsimmons
8. La Motta
9. Hopkins
10. McCallum

dr_devious wrote:1. Hagler
2. Monzon
3. Greb
4. Robinson
5. Ketchel
6. Jones
7. Fitzsimmons
8. La Motta
9. Hopkins
10. McCallum

cheers doctor

1) Harry Greb

2) Ray Robinson

3) Marvin Hagler

4) Carlos Monzon

5) Mickey Walker

6) Stanley Ketchel

7) Tony Zale

8) Mike Gibbons

9) Joey Giardello

10) Emile Griffith

I would recommend this site which has a wealth of historical information, as well as boxrec itself http://www.cyberboxingzone.com

dempseyfire wrote:1) Harry Greb

2) Ray Robinson

3) Marvin Hagler

4) Carlos Monzon

5) Mickey Walker

6) Stanley Ketchel

7) Tony Zale

8) Mike Gibbons

9) Joey Giardello

10) Emile Griffith

I would recommend this site which has a wealth of historical information, as well as boxrec itself http://www.cyberboxingzone.com

cheers dempsey , i will look at cyber tomorrow

plopeater wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:1) Harry Greb

2) Ray Robinson

3) Marvin Hagler

4) Carlos Monzon

5) Mickey Walker

6) Stanley Ketchel

7) Tony Zale

8) Mike Gibbons

9) Joey Giardello

10) Emile Griffith

I would recommend this site which has a wealth of historical information, as well as boxrec itself http://www.cyberboxingzone.com

cheers dempsey , i will look at cyber tomorrow

its not a very good site,, I have been there. there are many trolls there who attack newbies in their groups of three and the moderator is a cowardly son of a bitch who isnt worth a shit because he doesnt so much as warn them. He also allies himself with them since they go way back. There are some good posters there I will be honest but with the trolling that goes on there it just isnt worth all the aggravation.

Also, there are many older posters who dont have open minds-they dont acknowledge Roy Jones as a great and openly have said that he is inferior to the likes of BIlly Conn. in my opinion, the younger posters here or at Eastside are more knowlegable than what you see at Cyberboxingzone.

Trust me, you arent missing anything.

By the way, everyone here likes your top ten list of middleweights. It is impressive.

Elton John wrote:

plopeater wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:1) Harry Greb

2) Ray Robinson

3) Marvin Hagler

4) Carlos Monzon

5) Mickey Walker

6) Stanley Ketchel

7) Tony Zale

8) Mike Gibbons

9) Joey Giardello

10) Emile Griffith

I would recommend this site which has a wealth of historical information, as well as boxrec itself http://www.cyberboxingzone.com

cheers dempsey , i will look at cyber tomorrow

its not a very good site,, I have been there. there are many trolls there who attack newbies in their groups of three and the moderator is a cowardly son of a bitch who isnt worth a shit because he doesnt so much as warn them. He also allies himself with them since they go way back. There are some good posters there I will be honest but with the trolling that goes on there it just isnt worth all the aggravation.

Also, there are many older posters who dont have open minds-they dont acknowledge Roy Jones as a great and openly have said that he is inferior to the likes of BIlly Conn. in my opinion, the younger posters here or at Eastside are more knowlegable than what you see at Cyberboxingzone.

Trust me, you arent missing anything.

By the way, everyone here likes your top ten list of middleweights. It is impressive.

cheers elton, i will look but keep an eye out, and yes my list was hard to come up with and as my knowledge increases it may change

plopeater wrote:

Elton John wrote:

plopeater wrote: cheers dempsey , i will look at cyber tomorrow

its not a very good site,, I have been there. there are many trolls there who attack newbies in their groups of three and the moderator is a cowardly son of a bitch who isnt worth a shit because he doesnt so much as warn them. He also allies himself with them since they go way back. There are some good posters there I will be honest but with the trolling that goes on there it just isnt worth all the aggravation.

Also, there are many older posters who dont have open minds-they dont acknowledge Roy Jones as a great and openly have said that he is inferior to the likes of BIlly Conn. in my opinion, the younger posters here or at Eastside are more knowlegable than what you see at Cyberboxingzone.

Trust me, you arent missing anything.

By the way, everyone here likes your top ten list of middleweights. It is impressive.

cheers elton, i will look but keep an eye out, and yes my list was hard to come up with and as my knowledge increases it may change

i would say it defiantly would change as mine did and many others peoples have since being on here and learing quite alot of info about the sport

p4p1 wrote:

plopeater wrote:

Elton John wrote: its not a very good site,, I have been there. there are many trolls there who attack newbies in their groups of three and the moderator is a cowardly son of a bitch who isnt worth a shit because he doesnt so much as warn them. He also allies himself with them since they go way back. There are some good posters there I will be honest but with the trolling that goes on there it just isnt worth all the aggravation.

Also, there are many older posters who dont have open minds-they dont acknowledge Roy Jones as a great and openly have said that he is inferior to the likes of BIlly Conn. in my opinion, the younger posters here or at Eastside are more knowlegable than what you see at Cyberboxingzone.

Trust me, you arent missing anything.

By the way, everyone here likes your top ten list of middleweights. It is impressive.

cheers elton, i will look but keep an eye out, and yes my list was hard to come up with and as my knowledge increases it may change

i would say it defiantly would change as mine did and many others peoples have since being on here and learing quite alot of info about the sport

That's fine. He can go there to see what other people have to say but I'm just telling him ahead of time that there are definite trouble makers there who go out of their way to give the newbies a hard time and if they dont agree with what you have to say then this person will start making inuendos, snide remarks which sparks the entry of his friend, every bit as obnoxious and arrogant.

These two were at another site I won't mention which but were eventually kicked off. I remember when one of these two jerkoffs brazenly told another poster to "kiss his ass" to which I saw the rebuttal "I dont want to kiss your ass. It's smelly and full of chunks of shit"

But these two numbskulls never learn and why? Because not only are they evil, but stupid. They enjoy cyber bullying and DON'T expect the worthless moderator to do anything about it. He doesnt care that these two are destroying the threads. He will just turn his head and pretend nothing amiss. He dont give a damn.

1) Harry Greb
2) Carlos Monzon
3) Marvin Hagler
4) Ray Robinson
5) Mickey Walker
5) Marcel Cerdan
6) Dick Tiger
7) Tiger Flowers
8) Charley Burley
9) Lloyd Marshall
10) Stanley Ketchel

1. Harry Greb
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Charley Burley
6. Mickey Walker
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Holman Williams
9. Dick Tiger
10. Jake LaMotta/ Tiger Flowers

HomicideHenry wrote:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Harry Greb
5. Bob Fitzimmons
6. Roy Jones Jr
7.Bernard Hopkins
8. Jake La Motta
9. Mickey Walker
10. 'The Nonpareil' Jack Dempsey

Decent enough of a list, but here's mine:

1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
5. Tiger Flowers
6. Jake LaMotta
7. Stanley Ketchell
8. Mickey Walker
9. Marcel Cerdan
10. Bob Fitzsimmons

Finally Someone Mentioned Stanley Ketchel and Marcel Cerdan.
Top 10 is just Too hard to narrow down and Just Too Many Greats Are Left Out.Top 15 or Top 20 Would Be More Appropriate.

Here's My Top 10 For Now...I May Change My Mind Next Week Though. 8)


1.Carlos Monzon
2.Sugar Ray Robinson
3.Harry Greb
4.Stanley Ketchel
5.Marcel Cerdan
6.Tony Zale
7.Bob Fitzimmons
8.Tiger Flowers
9.Dick Tiger
10.Gene Fullmer

Honorable Mentions.....

Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Mike McCallum
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr
Nino Benvenuti
Rodrigo Valdes
Carmen Basilio
Jake LaMotta
Rocky Graziano
Nigel Benn
Kelly Pavlik

The ATG Middleweight of Nat Fleischer

--1 Stanley Ketchel
--2 Tommy Ryan
--3 Harry Greb
--4 Mickey Walker
--5 Ray Robinson
--6 Frank Klaus
--7 Billy Papke
--8 Les Darcy
--9 Mike Gibbons
-10 Jeff Smith



ATG of The Ring Magazine (1978)

--1 Stanley Ketchel
--2 Ray Robinson
--3 Harry Greb
--4 Mickey Walker
--5 Carlos Monzón
--6 Billy Papke
--7 Tony Zale
--8 Dick Tiger
--9 Tommy Ryan
-10 Emile Griffith


In the two lists

- Stanley Ketchel
- Tommy Ryan
- Harry Greb
- Mickey Walker
- Ray Robinson
- Billy Papke

It's incredible. Mr. Plopeater, is an 11 years old boy who never read more than one or two boxing magazines in this months? If he looks another serious Topics, he can't said any opinion: he only may to ask, to see the other Topics and the Forum Rules*
( http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4428 ); how many books of boxing does you knows Mr. Plopeater? It's the same good sense and knowledge of a person who confoundes a comic strip with a literary work, it isn't the complete ignorance?

Mr. John Duddy is the nº 8 of the Middleweight Greatest ever (!?) Never was a fighter named Stanley Ketchel, or Harry Greb, or Mickey Walker... Boxing history born --when?-- 1950? 1970? 2000?

I'm astonished, but in this days there are "new" Topics on the greatest of all times between Middleweights, Heavyweights..., why? In Boxing of the Past there are 6756 Topics and 104.340 posts, but the guest Plopeater, don't knows anyone of all?

The Heavyweights! ( http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 54&start=0 ) Never exists Jim Jeffries, Jack Johnson, Joe Louis!, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney... (!!!???)



(*) Please, see the number 6!


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From my name you can expect Hagler to be high up, probably higher than most would put him

1. SR Robinson
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Harry Grebb
4. Carlosd Monzon
5.Carl Olson
6.Gene fuller
7. Rocky Graziano
8. Jake La motta
9. Thomas Hearns
10. Nigel Benn