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Woller wrote:No Granberry

Don´t tell lies about me. I do not want facts of any kind banned, but I would love to se you go. You turn any topic into rubbish. This topic was a question of the Ali v Williams fight, was filmed from different camera angels.

Woller

he turns everything into a why ali is shit thread

Woller wrote:No Granberry

Don´t tell lies about me. I do not want facts of any kind banned, but I would love to se you go. You turn any topic into rubbish. This topic was a question of the Ali v Williams fight, was filmed from different camera angels.

Woller

Woller,

You DO want facts banned,

as you have just stated above.

You want the fact that Cleveland Williams was missing one kidney, ten feet of his small intestine, and had a shriveled left left leg from nerve damage from the bullet he was shot with at point blank range by a Texas policeman a year and a half before he "fought" Ali

to be banned from being posted

even on a thread titled

Muhammad Ali vrs Cleveland Williams (Nov.14.1966)

I do not know if Williams deserved to be shot, but all I can say is that he showed so much in getting back into the ring and staying up there with all that affecting him.

How was his life after boxing ?

BoxBuzz wrote:granberry Williams previous fights to the Ali fight (post his recovery period) does not paint a picture of a completely washed up fighter.....or was their a fix of sorts going on?

gran....please speak to this "fact". It seems to conflict with your "washed up" assertion.

Granberry

Stop lying about me.

Woller

Here a few facts:
Cleveland Williams had 4 fights after his operation and before he fought for the title. He won all 4.
After losing in his title shot by a 3rd round ko, he won his next 5. One was a first round ko against Mike Bruce.*
Williams was 33 when he fought for the title. That is younger than the guy he lost to was when 10 years later he later he was fighting Norton the 3rd time, Young,Holmes,Shavers, and Spinks.

*Opinion- Going by the logical "knockdown means everything maxim" (See Sonny Banks or Henry Cooper) Bruce must be great because he once knocked down Joe Frazier early in Frazier's career. That Frazier came back to win the fight is obviously irrelevant as is the case with Banks and Cooper. It's not who wins that is important, it's who scores the first knockdown that means the most.
(In fact, maybe there should be a rule change. Fights should just be stopped after the first knockdown and the fighter who got knocked down automatically loses. Perhaps it should be retroactive. Joe Louis is no longer a world champion because he got knocked down Jim Braddock. The result should be changed to a first round ko win for Braddock.)

Therefore Williams knockout of a great fighter like Bruce is very impressive. Of course knocking out Williams in only 3 rounds in 1966 really must be impressive.

This all makes sense....in a granberrian sort of way.

Sometimes strange things happen. Memphis Al Jones knocked Jerry Quarry down twice in one round. Quarry had a near cast iron chin and Jones record is terrible.

Woller

Woller wrote:Sometimes strange things happen. Memphis Al Jones knocked Jerry Quarry down twice in one round. Quarry had a near cast iron chin and Jones record is terrible.

Woller

This actually DOES make sense.....Patriots....lost there last game of the season.....strange things do happen. Good champions have bad days. Well except for Rocky I guess. It's too late for him to go back and have a bad day at this point I suppose.

Poor Granberry rarely backs up her 'facts' with evidence.

If she would care to read the despicable Thomas Hauser's auto/biography of Mohammad Ali, she would see an entire section telling the story of Cleve's injuries after the shooting, including a lengthy quote from a conversation between Ali and Jerry Izenberg in which Ali reveals that he knows Cleve's body was a mess and that it would be an easy night's work.

But of course, in Granberry's little mind, this somehow counts as Ali shills not telling the full story.

LOL.

Ali fought a physicallly crippled Cleveland Williams.

Ali's "fight" against this physically crippled opponent is touted by the media

(and those whose existence consists of regurgitating the media)

as Ali's greatest performance.

If you have to dredge up a performance against a physically crippled opponent your sales campaign is in SAD shape.

Woller wrote:Granberry

Stop lying about me.

Woller

Woller,

stop asking that posters be banned because they post basic facts

about the physical condition of a fighter in a certain fight.

granberry wrote:

Woller wrote:Granberry

Stop lying about me.

Woller

Woller,

stop asking that posters be banned because they post basic facts

about the physical condition of a fighter in a certain fight.

If the Cooney fight was a fix then why would Jimmy Young stand still and allow Cooney to rip half his face off?

I'm still waiting on an answer for this

granberry wrote:Ali fought a physicallly crippled Cleveland Williams.

Ali's "fight" against this physically crippled opponent is touted by the media

(and those whose existence consists of regurgitating the media)

as Ali's greatest performance.

If you have to dredge up a performance against a physically crippled opponent your sales campaign is in SAD shape.

Yet he managed a few wins along the way even after that...pretty tough hombre overall. I wouldn't want to be the one getting his angst even after his rehab. And a good word for Cleveland Williams is probably overdue in this thread. You call him crippled....when what you mean is "compromised". In other words he wasn't as good as he once was but he was no walk in the park for at least a few other opponents.

Your granberry character probably aint as good as your terap glory days....but you're still pretty grizzled.

Stop lying about me Granberry.

I want you out of here because you turn any topic into rubbish. You are killing good boxing discussions on this site.

Woller

Woller wrote:Stop lying about me Granberry.

I want you out of here because you turn any topic into rubbish. You are killing good boxing discussions on this site.

Woller

I posted facts on Cleveland Williams' physical condition at the time he fought Ali.

On this Ali vrs Cleveland Williams thread.

You, woller, wanted me banned for that.

Now you have reiterated that.

Stop lying about me.

You wrote that crap in a topic where a serious boxing fan asked if the fight was filmed from more than one angle.

That is turning good boxing talk into rubbish.

Woller

Woller wrote:Stop lying about me.

You wrote that crap in a topic where a serious boxing fan asked if the fight was filmed from more than one angle.

That is turning good boxing talk into rubbish.

Woller

Woller has a point granberry, bad form at the very least.

granberry wrote:

Woller wrote:Stop lying about me Granberry.

I want you out of here because you turn any topic into rubbish. You are killing good boxing discussions on this site.

Woller

I posted facts on Cleveland Williams' physical condition at the time he fought Ali.

On this Ali vrs Cleveland Williams thread.

You, woller, wanted me banned for that.

Now you have reiterated that.

I want you banned too.... your a slimeball and youre bringing this forum down... the humour you provide with your boring 'insights' now fails to amuse me. Go away. At least save what dignity you have left.
Which isnt much.

Just love ok guys.

love

True, but...many we should just hug instead of hate.

:)

Yeah, I cant understand why the guy aint banned from this forum. He even tried to mess up the Westcoast thread till those guys simply ignored him. Now we have clowns like Elmser who used to be a serious poster actually licking Grans backside!.... whats the world coming to!???

Robinson wrote:True, but...many we should just hug instead of hate.

:)

I'll hug him when he's gone!...

Robinson wrote:True, but...many we should just hug instead of hate.

:)

Can you show us how it is done, Kym?

Ill email it