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A few MMA guys have hoped into the ring with little or limited success...
most of them have a collegiate wrestling backround

Belfort, Fulton, Lytle, Telligman, Frye (?) to name a few.


Pug, Me coaching atm, however come July-ish may be fighting. So in training...walking around at 220 atm, so just have to cut to 205, enjoying my food way to much at the moment.

I bet in real life, Collins and Granberry get on real well.

Davey

those suplexes were nasty.

Greco Roman normally has the best amount of suplex action.

Like any sport, a good match has broader appeal...but a stalling,
slow paced one is often less than exciting.

DaveV17 wrote:Ex Pug,
wasn't Mike Evans, the Chicago Hvywt. an accomplished wrestler? I think I heard that somewhere...

Kym,
I saw some Freestyle wrestling a few years back and it was a good spectator sport. A lot of throws and a lot of action. I believe there were even some suplexes (sp?). That might be one of the most lethal moves in any sport. As a self defense move on pavement...Anyone remember Severn suplexing the Muai Thai guy (twice in succession) in one of the early UFCs?

Dave,
I remember hearing something about that , but Im not sure exactly
the details.
Its funny, I worked out in the same gym with Evans at the same time day after day for about a year or so in around 89,but I dont think I ever really had a conversation with the guy at all.
It was the Fuller Park Gym at 45th and Princeton.
Maybe a hello here and there that was it.
He was a quiet guy.
He worked hard in the gym though and man that guy was enormous.
Not real tall but huge.

granberry wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

granberry wrote: The glibness and superficiality displayed in your posts here concerning wrestling speak for themselves.

You NAILED yourself in revealing your relience on what the media tells you to think and your smirking contempt for what you have no knowledge of.

I was discussing it with Kym.

I made no claim to be an expert.

When he corrected me on something I accepted it and thanked him.

You would do well to read those posts and learn how adults interact successfully for a mutually beneficial experience.

If you could grasp that you wouldn't get treated like a boring ignorant old bitch every time you try to elbow your way in on "the greatest thread ever".

I exposed the ignorance of the subject you eagerly paraded.

I called attention to the fact that you proudly stated that you get your information from the US big media.

I posted information on the topic for those here who want information that is correct on the topic of wrestling.

You continued to offer further ignorance of the subject and pride that you know nothing about it.

You circulate around boxrec posting attacks on other posters, working in tandem with your irene, p4, etc, and now kikibalt and raylac.

You have never made a post on the subject of boxing

and you never will.

And you can't stand it when your attempt to spit at another sport, wrestling, is exposed for what it is.

Stop talking shit, you daft old pillock. Go and have a tug over your poster of The Big Show.

Wrestlers use close to their full strength for nine minutes.

In comparison, boxers, for example Archie Moore, are able to relax because of the nature of their sport.

The best do not go all out continuously.

Of course as soon as I say that, what about Henry Armstrong, Harry Greb, Bat Nelson.

What a nightmare they would be to face.

I find wrestling is sapping, explosive and takes ages to recover.

Grappling you can rest more and stall.

Boxing, tires you but you can recover quicker...different energy systems.


I wonder if the sport will ever produce a man as intense as Armstrong again

DaveV17 wrote:Ex Pug,
wasn't Mike Evans, the Chicago Hvywt. an accomplished wrestler? I think I heard that somewhere...

I believe Mike was on the 1984 Olympic Greco-Roman team as an alternate. Thus, he really was on the Olympic wrestling team.

According to amiannoying.com, the following boxers also wrestled at some point:

Sugar Ray Leonard
Evander Holyfield
George Foreman


http://www.amiannoying.com/(S(tlg1w1rabue42l21jbu53uep))/Collection.aspx?collection=2931

Tony Halme, a so-so Finnish heavyweight from the 90s and early 00s (one of several lesser guys to beat Iran Barkley at the tail end of The Blade's career) was also a a WCW wrestler for a time (under the alias Ludwig Borga) and has competed in early UFC too.

He was Randy Coutures first MMA victim :)

Halme is one intensely bulky man. Apparently he is a singer-musician
too....Norse metal..

granberry wrote: A fighters like Jerry Quarry and Bonavena, who were less schooled than Young, let Ali get away with his wrestling tactics to an appalling level.

--- What were you watching?

First Quarry fight 99% ring center with may 10 sec of clinches. Second fight early on Jerry picks up Ali on his shoulder and almost Gorilla Monsoons him onto the ring apron. Quarry was no fool and gave as good as he got in those fights, he just could beat his cuts which were a bit premature stoppages.

Bonavena threw Ali around the ring like a rag doll. Quarry and Oscar were Ali's two comeback fights and he looked frail and off in his timing and tactics in those fights.

Back to topic, Brock Lesner MMA's new poster boy is a 'rassler. Grappling in boxing quite a bit different than wrestling moves though, since it's assumed your opponent won't take you down which happened when Brewster was about to be KDed the 2nd time against Wlad.

oliverfennell wrote:Tony Halme, a so-so Finnish heavyweight from the 90s and early 00s (one of several lesser guys to beat Iran Barkley at the tail end of The Blade's career) was also a a WCW wrestler for a time (under the alias Ludwig Borga) and has competed in early UFC too.

Oh Wow.Cool.I remember that "Ludwig Borga" wrestler.He was Freakin Huge Man!

I'm gonna go look up the boxer name of "Tony Halme" now. 8)

Robinson wrote:He was Randy Coutures first MMA victim :)

Halme is one intensely bulky man. Apparently he is a singer-musician
too....Norse metal..

Didin't he have a run at politics too?

I actually think he did too...

I recall on a comedy channel him doing something in politics.

I suppose in a way he is a renaissance man...

Many boxers went into wrestling. Primo Carnera and Joe Louis are thew two best known, but there were many others. Danny Hodge was a good amateur who had a pro wrestling career. Bearcat Wright junior had a boxing career but switched to wrestling because it was more profitable. Bobby Dade, a Florida wrestler in the eighties, would ocassionally make a buck as an opponent in boxing.