Entrie for Guatemala

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 25 Apr 2008, 17:08

Are the brackets up? I am on my blackberry so I cannot check.

If it really is Hunter vs. Bence right off the draw that sucks. I was hoping Bence and Rivas would be on the opposite side, because that would be a good fight for the last spot. Hunter has improved ten fold over the last few months after gaining some expirence.I don't see Bence defeating Hunter.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 25 Apr 2008, 23:08

Downs is out!!!!! He lost unexpectedly to Julio Castillo of Ecuador 5-3 thus misses the Olympics. Shawn Estrada won 11-3 over Andrew Fermin of Trinidad & Tobago and face colombian veteran Alexander Brand next.

emile · Post by **emile** » 25 Apr 2008, 23:53

That's too bad about Downs, especially since he likely has no pro career to look forward to. He had some strange results over the last year - very inconsistent. I wonder how he beat Sillakh so easily at Chicago, but then lost to lesser fighters.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Apr 2008, 00:38

Upset!! Colombian Eleider Alvarez beats Cuban Julio Cesar De La Cruz on a countback decision (controversial according to the cubans) +8-8!!!!
De La Cruz had beaten Alvarez 7-0 in the Trinidad qualifier, however it ain't the first time hardhitting Alvarez beats a cuban. He knocked out Yusiel Napoles in the final of the Pan Am Games last year.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Apr 2008, 00:42

One win and one loss for Mexico on the first day:

64 kg Jessie Vargas (MEX)-Daniel Sanchez (ECU) 9-6
75 kg Yamaguchi Falcao (BRA)-Rodrigo Garcia (MEX) 25-5

Tomorrows mexicans:

60 kg Francisco Vargas vs Franz Mamani (BOL)
69 kg Oscar Molina vs Eliezer González (PUR)
+91 kg Andrés Ruiz vs German Sandi (CRC)
64 kg Jessie Vargas vs Jonhatan González (PUR)

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Apr 2008, 00:46

Guatemalas boxers in action the first day:

75 kg Luis Felipe Rueda vs Ezequiel Maderna (ARG)
81 kg Salguero vs Steve Franjic (CAN)
51 kg Eddie Valenzuela vs Juan Carlos Vega (ECU)
winner fights winner of Colombia and El Salvador.
57 kg Giovanni Pantaleón vs Humberto Mamani (BOL)

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Apr 2008, 07:39

Finally I found the first day results:

(51kg):

Robenilson Viera (BRA) a Henry Maldonado (NCA) 18-7
Eddie Valenzuela (GUA) a Juan C.Vega (ECU) 21-4
William Urina (COL)a William Rodríguez (ESA) 9-3

(57 kg)

Giovanny Pantaleón (GUA) a Humberto Mamani (BOL) RSC 4/12-6 ???
Pablo Figuls (CRC) a Christian Fernández (URU) 9-2
Bradley Henderrson (BAR) a Edgar Sánchez (HON) 19-1
Roberto Navarro (DOM) a Elizer Lanzas (NCA) 15-8
Arash Usmanee (CAN) a Antonio Opazo (CHI) 12-2
Robson Conceicao (BRA) a Angel Rodríguez (VEN) 14-9
Miguel Marriaga (COL) a Nicholas Walters (JAM) 14-9
Abner Cotto (PUR) a Jesús Cuellar (ARG) 9-8

(60 kg):

Ricardo García (DOM) a Ramón Mescarena (CHI) 24-7
Everton Lopes (BRA) a Carlos Sánchez (CRC) 26-8

(64 kg):

Jessie Vargas (MEX) a Carlos Daniel Sánchez (ECU) 9-6
Jonathan Gonzalez (PUR) a Kevin Bizier (CAN) 24-8

(69 kg):

Eliécer González (PUR) a Aaron Prince (TRI) 30-10

(75 kg):

Doel Rivera (PUR) a Osmán Bravo (NCA) 16-2
Ezequiel Maderna (ARG) a Luis F.Rueda (GUA) 17-10
Francy Ntetu (CAN) a Wilky Campfort (HAI) 14-10
Yamaguchi Florentino (BRA) a Rodrigo García (MEX) 25-5
Shawn Estrada (USA) a Andrew Fermín (TRI) 11-3
Alexander Brand (COL) a Fabián Carvajal (CRC) 12-6

(81 kg):

Azea Austinama (HAI) a Mauricio Barragán (URU) RSC-2
Steve Franjic (CAN) a Eduardo Salguero (GUA) 13-1
Eleyder Alvarez (COL) a Julio La Cruz (CUB) 3-2 (8-8 y 17-17)
De La Cruz was winning 8-6 with 35 seconds remaining. 3 of the five judges gave Alvarez their vote though.

Julio C. Castillo (ECU) Christopher Downs (USA) 5-3

(91 kg):

Alexander Vellón (PUR) a Eduardo Vallejo (NCA) 6-5

lap · Post by **lap** » 26 Apr 2008, 10:12

Thanks locoxelbox.

Weird day for Canada.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 26 Apr 2008, 15:57

emile wrote:Is Peru coming? Has anyone seen Broncano around?

Two of the three guys who made it to Chicago (Carlos Zambrano and Pedro Calla) stayed in the U.S. and turned pro.

I doubt they even had plans to send anyone. :(

emile · Post by **emile** » 26 Apr 2008, 17:03

I hadn't seen that Zambrano had gone pro. That seems like a shame - I guess you can't give up the good life in Paterson, New Jersey for a few months for a shot at going to the Olympic Games.

Canada · Post by **Canada** » 26 Apr 2008, 23:06

lap wrote:Thanks locoxelbox.

Weird day for Canada.

It was wierd because Canada actully did ok for a change. I think Franjic has a good shot to qualify now with Downs and the Cuban out

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Apr 2008, 23:14

60 kg:

Juan Alberto Cuellar (ARG) a Juan Yoc (GUA) 30-8
José Pedraza (PUR) a Omar Oneate (BAR) RSC-2
Prince Lee (TRI) a Emilio Flores (HON) RSC-3
Alexis Folleco (ECU) a Levar Stewart (BAH) 27-7
Ibrahim Kamai (CAN) a Gilberto Guzmán (ESA) 15-0
Francisco Vargas (MEX) a Franz Mamani (BOL) RSCH-2
Jesús Cuadro (VEN) a Orlando Rizo (NIC) RSCO-3
Everton Lopes (BRA) a Ricardo García (DOM) 14-3

64 kg:

Frayser Araya (CRC) a Misael Menjivar (ESA) RSC-4
Myke Carvalho (BRA) a Anthony Robinson (BAR) RSC-2
Félix Díaz Guzman (DOM) a Nicolas Silva (URU) KO-1
Leonardo Carrillo (COL) a Valentino Knpwles (BAH) 16-8
LivingstoneJoseph (ISV) a Víctor Hugo Torres (BOL) RSC-2
Gumersindo Carrasco (ARG) a Eduardo Mendoza (NCA) 23-13
José Virula (GUA) a Aaron Hassete (TRI) 12-5
Jonathan González (PUR) a Jessie Vargas (MEX) 15-7

+91 kg:

Gleison Silva (BRA) a Gerardo Bisbal (PUR) 8-4
Damián Romel (BAR) a Juan Sandoval (NIC) RSC-3
Andrés Ruiz (MEX) a Germán Sandi (CRC) RSC-1
Oscar Rivas (COL) a Marlon Mendoza (HON) RSCH-1

PRKO · Post by **PRKO** » 27 Apr 2008, 01:52

Great job locoxelbox, I've been searching in the Guatemalan newspapers and just read few things.

JohnDoe · Post by **JohnDoe** » 27 Apr 2008, 02:06

Where are you getting the scores from?

I heard that there was this organization called AIBA that is suppose to post these scores in a timely manner...but maybe I'm thinking of ABBA....

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 27 Apr 2008, 05:33

More results from day 2:

48 kg
Jhon Corona (ESA) a Juan Manuel Socop (GUA) 17-10
Paulo Carvalho (BRA) a Junior Zárate (ARG) 18-7

69 kg
Gilbert Lenin Castillo (DOM) a Juan Souto (URU) 8-3
Walter Castillo (NCA) a Kelvin Canales (ESA) 16-6
Alex Teherán (COL) a Gustavo Castillo (GUA) 16-11
Gilbert Víctor Castillo (ECU) a Ricardo Smith (JAM) 14-6
Taureano Jonson (BAH) a Diego Cháves (ARG) 10-6
Pedro Lima (BRA) a Gustavo Benandez (HON) 17-2
Omar Moreno (VEN) a Gustavo Caicedo (PAN) 14-5
Oscar Molina (MEX) a Eliecer González (PUR) 14-5

JohnDoe wrote:Where are you getting the scores from?

The only page I found with full scores is http://www.terra.com
Fortunately they have them quickly.

I heard that there was this organization called AIBA that is suppose to post these scores in a timely manner...but maybe I'm thinking of ABBA....

Yes, we keep hearing that things are getting better now that Chowdry is gone but it's seems there is more of the same....

lap · Post by **lap** » 27 Apr 2008, 09:26

At last, results and draw sheets on Aiba.org

lap · Post by **lap** » 27 Apr 2008, 10:11

What an awful draw at 81. The last quarter of the draw might contain the three best fighters of the tourney at the weight (Castillo, Alvarez and Downs). Only one can qualify, while Downs is already out. The 6th Americas' qualifier at light heavy might just be a very ordinary boxer.

That being said, where's the Cuban?

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Apr 2008, 11:07

lap wrote:What an awful draw at 81. The last quarter of the draw might contain the three best fighters of the tourney at the weight (Castillo, Alvarez and Downs). Only one can qualify, while Downs is already out. The 6th Americas' qualifier at light heavy might just be a very ordinary boxer.

That being said, where's the Cuban?

The Cuban lost to Alvarez, so the four most notable fighters left at the weight were all put into the same quarter of the draw. So with three slots, that means two of the three might be surprising names.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 27 Apr 2008, 11:11

lap wrote:What an awful draw at 81. The last quarter of the draw might contain the three best fighters of the tourney at the weight (Castillo, Alvarez and Downs). Only one can qualify, while Downs is already out. The 6th Americas' qualifier at light heavy might just be a very ordinary boxer.

That being said, where's the Cuban?

The Cuban is out as well. So that means Russia and China will be sending full teams, i believe China gets some automatic bids as host nation.

at 91+ Rivas pretty much has a free walk to the finals. Hunter, Bence, Payares and the Ecuadorian are all on the top half of the bracket.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 27 Apr 2008, 12:32

F. Host Nation (China )Situation:

1. According to the results in the Chicago World
Championships, there were 7 Chinese boxers who directly
qualified for the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games by finishing
within the top 8 (light fly, bantam, feather, welter, middle) or
top 4 (heavy, super heavy).

2. As places are attributed to individual boxers, the athletes
named in the attached sheet have qualified for the Games -
the NOC cannot attribute the place to another boxer.

3. China therefore loses its 6 guaranteed places concept,
which were created to ensure host nation presence in the
competition should Chinese athletes fail to qualify; as
stated in the AIBA Qualification System, 'for each place
gained by a boxer from the host nation at the AIBA World
Boxing Championships, the host nation will lose a
guaranteed place'. China has the same right as other NOCs
to have 1 athlete per weight category, Therefore, the 7
qualified athletes have the right to participate in Beijing up to
now.

4. In addition, China can still send athletes to the Asian
Continental Qualifiers to try and qualify in the remaining
events for which they have no qualified athletes (fly, light,
light welter, light heavy), as long as the overall quota for Asia
has not already been exceeded in a particular weight
category.

lap · Post by **lap** » 27 Apr 2008, 12:56

emile wrote:
lap wrote:What an awful draw at 81. The last quarter of the draw might contain the three best fighters of the tourney at the weight (Castillo, Alvarez and Downs). Only one can qualify, while Downs is already out. The 6th Americas' qualifier at light heavy might just be a very ordinary boxer.

That being said, where's the Cuban?
The Cuban lost to Alvarez, so the four most notable fighters left at the weight were all put into the same quarter of the draw. So with three slots, that means two of the three might be surprising names.

God, I hadn't even seen the Cuban. The draw is just ridiculous then. Maybe boxing would benefit form a seeding system. Nothing complex like in tennis. But let's seed 2 or 4 guys depending on the size of the field, maybe 8 guys for the World championships.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 27 Apr 2008, 16:21

lap wrote:
emile wrote:
lap wrote:What an awful draw at 81. The last quarter of the draw might contain the three best fighters of the tourney at the weight (Castillo, Alvarez and Downs). Only one can qualify, while Downs is already out. The 6th Americas' qualifier at light heavy might just be a very ordinary boxer.

That being said, where's the Cuban?
The Cuban lost to Alvarez, so the four most notable fighters left at the weight were all put into the same quarter of the draw. So with three slots, that means two of the three might be surprising names.
God, I hadn't even seen the Cuban. The draw is just ridiculous then. Maybe boxing would benefit form a seeding system. Nothing complex like in tennis. But let's seed 2 or 4 guys depending on the size of the field, maybe 8 guys for the World championships.

exactly.. Even if Downs and De La Cruz hadnt been upset, they would have had to fight each other in the second round AGAIN eliminating one of the two. Unbelieveable, maybe both of them were looking ahead to their matchup

lap · Post by **lap** » 27 Apr 2008, 18:45

jtyson wrote:
lap wrote:
emile wrote: The Cuban lost to Alvarez, so the four most notable fighters left at the weight were all put into the same quarter of the draw. So with three slots, that means two of the three might be surprising names.
God, I hadn't even seen the Cuban. The draw is just ridiculous then. Maybe boxing would benefit form a seeding system. Nothing complex like in tennis. But let's seed 2 or 4 guys depending on the size of the field, maybe 8 guys for the World championships.
exactly.. Even if Downs and De La Cruz hadnt been upset, they would have had to fight each other in the second round AGAIN eliminating one of the two. Unbelieveable, maybe both of them were looking ahead to their matchup

Exactly. It doesn't matter when all that really matters is first place, like in national championships and especially in boxoffs, but in tournaments like continental qualifiers, where bronze is as good as gold, a seeding system is imperative.

Yes, it would open the door to more corruption and influence trafficking, but it might be better than ending in situations where the draw is more important that what actually happens in the ring. And what are we gonna do? Say: "There is corruption in the sport, so we are not going to try to fix what's wrong"?

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 27 Apr 2008, 20:12

lap wrote:Maybe boxing would benefit form a seeding system. Nothing complex like in tennis. But let's seed 2 or 4 guys depending on the size of the field

That wouldn't prevent the Alvarez-De La Cruz bout to take place early. The cuban had no international merits so why should he be seeded, because he's cuban? There are three qualifiers so the ones who don't qualify can't complain on the draw.
I've heard on many olympic fights where the commentators complain saying -This bout should have been the final and we aren't even in the medal rounds! Then it turns out that the winning boxer don't even reach the medals himself.

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Apr 2008, 20:20

I'm not too worked up about it. Downs and De La Cruz have had other opportunities to qualify, and they haven't been able to get it done. I think trying to seed is fraught with problems - seeding the US Championships didn't solve all the problems of tough draws.

What I DO have a problem with is the way they portion the byes in all of the competitions. If you seed the byes all in one bracket, you are much more likely to have an unbalanced draw. Take the 81kg in Guatemala - the top half has four fighters and the bottom half has eight. It would seem far more logical to have six on each side (and three in each quarter), but I have to assume that they reason they do this is to increase the chance of smaller countries making it to the Olympics or getting medals when they do.