Calzaghe vacates WBC

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Its a shame the fight wont happen and it is the same as Calazage-Collins for the main part BUT Calazage has got much bigger money fights lined up, next against RJJ, I dont think any in his position would do anything different

BTW Max Calazage wasnt landing shit against BHOPs and got his ass whooped against a 43yo

[nickd]

Froch is not a big fight for HBO. End of story.

Neither is Witter but people cried for it. Why are the same people not crying out for Froch?

Jones it the way for him to go. At this point he needs names on his record, no matter how faded.

If Joe retires undefeated Hopkins and Jones on his ledger will give fuel to the odd idiot who will no doubt try to argue for him as the greatest fighter ever, or British fighter certainly.

I think it is going to be hard for him when retired. Muhammed Ali, Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, Ray Leonard, throw in your own names. They are all considered great but what do they have in common? People can pull apart their records to prove they are not greater than other fighters.

If a record with names such as Moore, Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Norton and Foreman can be pulled to pieces then Joe's record will get marmalised post-boxing. That's why he needs Jones, to help him with his 'too little too late' strategy.

Hardly comparable. Witter has won a world title and defenced it, Froch hasn't reached that level yet. Froch is not a big enough fight for a guy with 1 or maybe 2 fights left. Simple.

[black panther]

Froch is not a big fight for HBO. End of story.

Exactly. Thats just how boxing works - big names equal £££££'s whereas decent fighters like Froch will always have to play seconds fiddle til they beat a "name."

[hitman_hatton1]

Because he doesn't want to fight Froch.

Now he understands Steve Collins's situation back in the day... abit of a hypocrit.

bollocks.

collins retired.

calzaghe has gone up in weight.

and he's got bigger fish to fry than big mouth.

froch is gash tbh.

bottom half of the top 10 fighter.

don't know what people see leek.

[fist]

Sorry, but I really don't like Calzaghe. effing hell, I just don't like this guy at all. I can't wait until he's out of boxing, stop effing it around like a pussy who won't do anything

Mate calm down. You seem pretty blinkered; he's been dedicated to the sport, fought plenty of ex champs, unified a division against a dangerous fighter in Kessler, he's never lost, earnt plenty of dosh and at the age of 36 is finally in the position where politics are not in his way from making big money, because he's one of the main men now, whom old so-called legends now want to fight. The risk reward ratio means that its worth having a pop at him, as well as plenty of dosh!

If I was him I definately wouldnt bother with Froch, not now he has made the move up to LHW and has the option of making big money with a RJ or Pavlik showdown. His record and ability have credibility and to be fair your opinion seems a bit ignorant, laughable even. The best pros around ex and current rate Joe, most of the UK sports fans do. You seem a rare and lone voice, not in terms of all your criticisms, but the extent to which you try and diminish his acheivements.

Good on Joe for setting his eyes on a big money fight with someone like RJ. They are both heading towards forty and have an opportunity to stage a huge fight. Joe would have to be crazy to turn something like that down to use his last fight to defend against Froch!!

[hitman_hatton1]

By Thomas Hauser

In boxing today, fighters fight for bogus world championship belts bestowed upon them by money-hungry sanctioning bodies in exchange for sanctioning fees subsidized by television networks that demand “title” fights.

Joe Calzaghe versus Bernard Hopkins was a fight for the real light-heavyweight championship of the world.

The WBC, in its never-ending quest for truth, justice, and sanctioning fees, offered to designate the fight a “special attraction” and give the winner a WBC “achievement” medallion. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer asked how much that would cost and was told $25,000. He declined the honor. Meanwhile, as the bell for round one rang, the WBC was still seeking sanctioning fees from Calzaghe and Warren despite the fact that no WBC title was at stake. By night’s end, no agreement on that issue had been reached.

Thomas Hauser can be reached by e-mail at [email protected]

http://secondsout.com/Columns/index.cfm ... 8&cs=24518

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dump the belt in the trash can joe.

ya too good for those slimeballs.

[fist]

Calzaghe cleared out the Super Middles too and Is No 1 and beat some big mouths too.

He's yet to fight a proven fighter in their prime in 15 years,

Can't face the fact he's proven that he ain't a fraud like many use to make out? Kessler was 28 and held the WBC and WBA, Lacy was destroying guys and many picked both of them. Theres two proven fighters.

You picked Hopkins too and Joe won again against that fouling fraud.

Are you bashing for the sake of It?

Excellent post. To try and discredit a record like Joe's, even with its obvious weaknesses, is silly. Kessler is a very good example. Other than Joe he was the best in the division and proven via two world belts. The only thing that stopped him from further proving himself is Calzaghe! Thats what happens when someone like Calzaghe dominates a division. People reckoned Joe was scared of fighting Kessler and then when he signed up for it they said he would lose. lol.

[Loynesy]

By Thomas Hauser

In boxing today, fighters fight for bogus world championship belts bestowed upon them by money-hungry sanctioning bodies in exchange for sanctioning fees subsidized by television networks that demand “title” fights.

Joe Calzaghe versus Bernard Hopkins was a fight for the real light-heavyweight championship of the world.

The WBC, in its never-ending quest for truth, justice, and sanctioning fees, offered to designate the fight a “special attraction” and give the winner a WBC “achievement” medallion. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer asked how much that would cost and was told $25,000. He declined the honor. Meanwhile, as the bell for round one rang, the WBC was still seeking sanctioning fees from Calzaghe and Warren despite the fact that no WBC title was at stake. By night’s end, no agreement on that issue had been reached.

Thomas Hauser can be reached by e-mail at [email protected]

http://secondsout.com/Columns/index.cfm ... 8&cs=24518

I edited the article so the main points could be focused on.
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dump the belt in the trash can joe.

ya too good for those slimeballs.

Similarly, when Pavlik fought Taylor second time around, although the WBC middleweight title was not as stake (it being a catchweight fight), the WBC demanded (and received) $25K. the clear implication was that if they had not recieved it, Pavlik would have been stripped of the WBC middleweight crown.

Crooks.

[Zhuge]

but at the end of the day Calzaghe and Hatton will make probably 75% more by fighting names from outside of the UK, and I think calling them Cowardly or Pathetic is a bit harsh for doing what 99% of us would do.

I would think Hatton-Witter in the UK is a bigger money fight than Hatton-Lazcano.

[nickd]

Calzaghe is an elite level fighter, Froch is yet to fight for a world title! I can't see why anyone thinks Calzaghe should make the fight. Maybe in a years time if he's still fighting it's possible. If Froch wins the WBC belt and beats Kessler then perhaps Calzaghe will make the fight. But Kessler beats him if you ask me. I just fail to see what is so special about Froch. Decent fighter yes, but he has very little chance of beating the Calzaghe's of this world sorry. What exactly has he proved on the world stage? Nothing.

[banjo]

Calzaghe is an elite level fighter, Froch is yet to fight for a world title! I can't see why anyone thinks Calzaghe should make the fight. Maybe in a years time if he's still fighting it's possible. If Froch wins the WBC belt and beats Kessler then perhaps Calzaghe will make the fight. But Kessler beats him if you ask me. I just fail to see what is so special about Froch. Decent fighter yes, but he has very little chance of beating the Calzaghe's of this world sorry. What exactly has he proved on the world stage? Nothing.

Froch is yet to fight for a world title because the champion won't fight him.

[nickd]

Calzaghe is an elite level fighter, Froch is yet to fight for a world title! I can't see why anyone thinks Calzaghe should make the fight. Maybe in a years time if he's still fighting it's possible. If Froch wins the WBC belt and beats Kessler then perhaps Calzaghe will make the fight. But Kessler beats him if you ask me. I just fail to see what is so special about Froch. Decent fighter yes, but he has very little chance of beating the Calzaghe's of this world sorry. What exactly has he proved on the world stage? Nothing.

Froch is yet to fight for a world title because the champion won't fight him.

Bollocks. He was only just supposed to be fighting an eliminator, he hadn't earned a shot! If he beats Berrio then all good that's a win against a world level fighter but as it is he's very much unproven at the top level. Froch is only getting to world championship level now, you can hardly say the champs have been avoiding him. Take your blinkers off!

[banjo]

Who did Calzaghe beat before he won a world title.

Hypocrite

[nickd]

Who did Calzaghe beat before he won a world title.

Hypocrite

Who's a hypocrite? Calzaghe has bigger fight to fry at the moment. Calzaghe fought for a vacant title against Eubank. I guess Froch will get a vacant WBC fight now. You seem to be suggesting (ludicrously) Froch has been avoided by the champs when he's been fighting British title fights!

[nickd]

Let me ask you this, do you think just before Calzaghe fought Eubank for the world title would he have been a worthwhile fight at the time for Roy Jones? Because Calzaghe is at that elite level just as Jones was back then. Calzaghe was pretty much a nobody on the US scene back then just as Froch is now. Calzaghe is fighting top notch fights, Froch is not a top notch fight right now no matter how you dress it up.

[GazMan85]

He's giving up the first meaningful belts he's won in 15 years to avoid big-money mandatories the public want to see. It makes me sick the way this fraud has constructed his career.

Dont really understand this one!!!

How can you say it is a BIG MONEY MANDATORY!! He will probably get 10 times more fighting RJJ than Froch.

And also, people on here might want to see the fight. including me. But your comment about the public wanting to see it is rubbish. The normal Joe Public would prefer to see him fight RJJ. More of them recognise him as a big name. This isn't my opinion, but its the truth.

[Autobarn]

Calzaghe is an elite level fighter, Froch is yet to fight for a world title! I can't see why anyone thinks Calzaghe should make the fight. Maybe in a years time if he's still fighting it's possible. If Froch wins the WBC belt and beats Kessler then perhaps Calzaghe will make the fight. But Kessler beats him if you ask me. I just fail to see what is so special about Froch. Decent fighter yes, but he has very little chance of beating the Calzaghe's of this world sorry. What exactly has he proved on the world stage? Nothing.

aren't elite fighters meant to fight their mandatories?

[banjo]

Who did Calzaghe beat before he won a world title.

Hypocrite

Who's a hypocrite? Calzaghe has bigger fight to fry at the moment. Calzaghe fought for a vacant title against Eubank. I guess Froch will get a vacant WBC fight now. You seem to be suggesting (ludicrously) Froch has been avoided by the champs when he's been fighting British title fights!

Let me just say this, JC is a fantastic fighter and a great role model for youngsters, but before he challenged for a world title his opposition was very average, certainly no better than Carls opposition to date. What i'm saying is 11 years ago Joe was in the same position as Carl is currently in, now yes someone like Roy Jones would look good on Joes resume and make him richer but wouldn't his legacy look better if he took on a younger hungry challenger?

I think so.

[nickd]

Calzaghe is an elite level fighter, Froch is yet to fight for a world title! I can't see why anyone thinks Calzaghe should make the fight. Maybe in a years time if he's still fighting it's possible. If Froch wins the WBC belt and beats Kessler then perhaps Calzaghe will make the fight. But Kessler beats him if you ask me. I just fail to see what is so special about Froch. Decent fighter yes, but he has very little chance of beating the Calzaghe's of this world sorry. What exactly has he proved on the world stage? Nothing.

aren't elite fighters meant to fight their mandatories?

Not when they have 1 or 2 fights left in their career no. And he's fighting a division above now.

[nickd]

Who did Calzaghe beat before he won a world title.

Hypocrite

Who's a hypocrite? Calzaghe has bigger fight to fry at the moment. Calzaghe fought for a vacant title against Eubank. I guess Froch will get a vacant WBC fight now. You seem to be suggesting (ludicrously) Froch has been avoided by the champs when he's been fighting British title fights!

Let me just say this, JC is a fantastic fighter and a great role model for youngsters, but before he challenged for a world title his opposition was very average, certainly no better than Carls opposition to date. What i'm saying is 11 years ago Joe was in the same position as Carl is currently in, now yes someone like Roy Jones would look good on Joes resume and make him richer but wouldn't his legacy look better if he took on a younger hungry challenger?

I think so.

No way would beating Froch who's unproven at world level be better for his legacy than beating Jones. On paper Jones will look a million times better when people look back at his record. And he'll earn way more money for the fight.

My point is Calzaghe would never have got a crack at an elite fighter like Jones when he was in the same position Froch is now. And likewise for Froch now.

[banjo]

But what would beating Jones prove? That he can beat up an old man who is almost a decade past his prime.

[nickd]

It's a bigger fight on the world scene, it's a bigger fight for HBO, it's worth way more money. And in years to come having Jones' name on his record will look better than having Froch's on there. Yes Jones is old now but it's quite simply a bigger fight. Jones is still a huge draw, outside the UK Froch is a relative unknown. What part of this don't you understand??

[banjo]

It's a bigger fight on the world scene, it's a bigger fight for HBO, it's worth way more money. And in years to come having Jones' name on his record will look better than having Froch's on there. Yes Jones is old now but it's quite simply a bigger fight. Jones is still a huge draw, outside the UK Froch is a relative unknown. What part of this don't you understand??

I understand what you mean in that the name looks good on the record and that its a good business decision but from a purists view i'd rather he defended against a hungry challenger or even Kelly Pavlik who is young, undefeated, in his prime and a fellow world champion.

[Loynesy]

I doubt even Carl Froch genuinely believes that Calzaghe is ducking him.

It is an absurd idea.

[EddieShredder]

It's a bigger fight on the world scene, it's a bigger fight for HBO, it's worth way more money. And in years to come having Jones' name on his record will look better than having Froch's on there. Yes Jones is old now but it's quite simply a bigger fight. Jones is still a huge draw, outside the UK Froch is a relative unknown. What part of this don't you understand??

It's pretty simple eh?! Whilst Froch could convievably provide as big a test (although personally I think Jones might well have a say in the fight) it just doesn't make sense for Joe, HBO or the American public. Like it or not, Calzaghe Jones is a huge fight, and in years to come will look better on joes record too. It's a no-brainer.