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Posted: 10 May 2008, 18:44
by hitman_hatton1
DG. wrote:I had Bradley winning by 3 rounds.
i had him by 5.
pay session baby.
that was a good fight tonight.
bradley proved he's for real.
junior can come again.
but ricky is on another level.
ya know what i'm saying.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 18:46
by hitman_hatton1
stujones wrote:Eraserhead wrote:I had it 8 rounds to 4 in favour of the Desert Storm bloke. Not even close. Can't believe the judges nearly screwed him out of it. We're getting as bad as the Germans and the Italians.
Same as mine... so a five point margin.
And I thought that was being kind to Witter.
that's right stu.
that was 5 pts tbh.
easy.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 18:59
by stujones
Terry D wrote:I thought Bradley won handily. Before the fight I thought his best stuff is the 1-2 to the body, enough to off-set Witter but never to beat him in a million years. It may sound harsh but Bradley looked as raw as rare Paris steaks. All he did was pop those shots to the body, knock Witter off balance, and then land to the head. It was that one thing all night and Witter failed to counter it in any way.
It was a hard night for Junior. He has lost to a relative novice and he is no longer the President of the 'Who needs him' club, he has built it into a designer complex with pools, bars and his own palace and is in the 'Who needs him' world. Hopefully a rematch can be made down the line if Witter keeps a high ranking, just a question of whether US TV will want it, I doubt it.
DG, behave, Bradley was rare as hell, personally I think Hatton beats him. And you know, know, know that is the truth
No way will Witter beat him in the states... I honestly think thats pretty much Witter at his best.
Might be able to work his way back via a rematch with Lynes - but I think Lynes' takes him also now.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:04
by hitman_hatton1
stujones wrote:Might be able to work his way back via a rematch with Lynes - but I think Lynes' takes him also now.
disagree with that.
gotta give witter some credit i suppose.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:07
by DG.
Terry D wrote:I thought Bradley won handily. Before the fight I thought his best stuff is the 1-2 to the body, enough to off-set Witter but never to beat him in a million years. It may sound harsh but Bradley looked as raw as rare Paris steaks. All he did was pop those shots to the body, knock Witter off balance, and then land to the head. It was that one thing all night and Witter failed to counter it in any way.
It was a hard night for Junior. He has lost to a relative novice and he is no longer the President of the 'Who needs him' club, he has built it into a designer complex with pools, bars and his own palace and is in the 'Who needs him' world. Hopefully a rematch can be made down the line if Witter keeps a high ranking, just a question of whether US TV will want it, I doubt it.
DG, behave, Bradley was rare as hell, personally I think Hatton beats him. And you know, know, know that is the truth
I really think Bradley will outmuscle Hatton, remember Urango? Bradley s Better than that!
Gutted for Witter!
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:08
by stujones
hitman_hatton1 wrote:stujones wrote:Might be able to work his way back via a rematch with Lynes - but I think Lynes' takes him also now.
disagree with that.
gotta give witter some credit i suppose.
I had it close the first time... wasn't Lynes a last minute job also? Lynes' has improved, Witter hasn't.
That would be the avenue back though.
No way he beats Bradley in the states - no chance.
What I was trying to say though was I think this was the same Witter that fought Lynes, Ndou, Kotelnik, Harris, Corely, Moura etc - just the other fighters didn't quite have the style to get the decision.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:08
by mike john
christ i thnk hatton looks even worse now. ill bet he wishes he took junior on when he had the chance. now he looks an even bigger puss
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:10
by stujones
mike john wrote:christ i thnk hatton looks even worse now. ill bet he wishes he took junior on when he had the chance. now he looks an even bigger puss
Yep, I can see that... really cannot understand why the its Lazcano and not Witter on the 24th.
He had no excuses regarding US TV.
And I really think he smashes Witter - always have done since the Ndou fight.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:11
by who_cares
Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:11
by stujones
who_cares wrote:Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
Fair call!!! But still Bradley won clear.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:14
by jamesmcdonnell
The ref doesn't score in world title bouts, that's only in British Title fights along with two judges.
I do wonder whether this is another occasion where Witter struggled with motivation, and was in against a guy who was young, hungry and fresh enough, and with enough ability to make him pay for his lackadaisical attitude.
We saw a similar thing with Lynes, where Witter simply couldn't get untracked, but Lynes simply lacked the tools to steal the fight.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:15
by who_cares
stujones wrote:who_cares wrote:Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
Fair call!!! But still Bradley won clear.
How, explain, point being that once warned every infringement would be a further point deduction until DQ!!!
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:15
by stujones
jamesmcdonnell wrote:The ref doesn't score in world title bouts, that's only in British Title fights along with two judges.
I do wonder whether this is another occasion where Witter struggled with motivation, and was in against a guy who was young, hungry and fresh enough, and with enough ability to make him pay for his lackadaisical attitude.
We saw a similar thing with Lynes, where Witter simply couldn't get untracked, but Lynes simply lacked the tools to steal the fight.
I think more confidence than tools, which I think he has got now.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:19
by Asterix
who_cares wrote:Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
On the ref's final warning Bradley stopped using his head like he was previously. If I was the ref I probably would have deducted a point because it was so obvious, but definitely no disqualifiction.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:26
by jamesmcdonnell
who_cares wrote:stujones wrote:who_cares wrote:Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
Fair call!!! But still Bradley won clear.
How, explain, point being that once warned every infringement would be a further point deduction until DQ!!!
That isn't how it works. It is the referee's discretion as to when a point deduction is made or when a fighter is DQ'd. A single flagrant offence from a fighter can be enough for them to be DQ'd. Do you actually watch boxing?
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:27
by who_cares
Asterix wrote:who_cares wrote:Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
On the ref's final warning Bradley stopped using his head like he was previously. If I was the ref I probably would have deducted a point because it was so obvious, but definitely no disqualifiction.
Fair enough, but how many warnings do you give before deducting a point, I believe it would only be two warnings and when a point is deducted every infringment afterwards is a point deduction or eventually a DQ
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:28
by Max Molyneux
Close fight but Bradley defo won.
Feel gutted as Witter Is one of my favourites and he's been better but damn he got outworked.
Maybe Bradley was right, he focused too much on Hatton which will never happen now.
Witter's been wasted and left out too much.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:33
by Autobarn
I think the ppl who ducked Witter and made him go inactive prevented Witter from maintaining sharpness and prevented him from honing his style.
He had a good little run but the reflexes just aren't there anymore. Jr's had some good wins. I feel bad for him - 1st time Showtime bring him back on and this happens.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:34
by Max Molyneux
I felt his reflexes where there, just some lack of workrate or mentality.
He wasn't this bad since Lynes and Kotelnik.
When he fought Corley and Harris he showed his best.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:35
by stujones
who_cares wrote:stujones wrote:who_cares wrote:Is there no one left who thinks that butting your opponent is illegal anymore????????
Witter fought badly tonight, but was constantly butted, the ref pulled Bradley on at least 5 occasions that I remember, but no point deduction.
Yet the ref scored the bout to Witter by 3 rounds!!!! WTF
Fair call!!! But still Bradley won clear.
How, explain, point being that once warned every infringement would be a further point deduction until DQ!!!
What I was meant was Bradley infringed enough times to warrent a point deduction - but no more than that IMO. He wasn't close to being DQ'd.
Even if you would have given a 5 point deduction - that it would have been a draw on my card.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:36
by who_cares
Autobarn wrote:I think the ppl who ducked Witter and made him go inactive prevented Witter from maintaining sharpness and prevented him from honing his style.
He had a good little run but the reflexes just aren't there anymore. Jr's had some good wins. I feel bad for him - 1st time Showtime bring him back on and this happens.
I agree, just hope that Junior has a rematch clause, which is likely being that it was a mandatory defence.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:36
by DG.
mike john wrote:christ i thnk hatton looks even worse now. ill bet he wishes he took junior on when he had the chance. now he looks an even bigger puss
Yes he does!
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:45
by Max Molyneux
Hatton's still not on a different level, he's still just an average contender too but had the right match making and money to deceive.
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:45
by who_cares
jamesmcdonnell wrote:who_cares wrote:stujones wrote:
Fair call!!! But still Bradley won clear.
How, explain, point being that once warned every infringement would be a further point deduction until DQ!!!
That isn't how it works. It is the referee's discretion as to when a point deduction is made or when a fighter is DQ'd. A single flagrant offence from a fighter can be enough for them to be DQ'd. Do you actually watch boxing?
As you may or may not know a 5 point deduction would not happen as for the same offence a DQ would have already taken place!!
The point was that, you would have noticed if you were actually watching the fight, the referee warned Bradley on 5 occasions that I noticed concerning the same offence... ie HEADBUTTING without giving any official warnings, obviously this goes down in your book as reasonable!!!
Posted: 10 May 2008, 19:49
by stujones
No it doesn't go down as reasonable... as I said - Bradley should have been docked 1 point, maybe 2.... no more though - and I am am sure Bradley would have stopped when the point deduction came in... not like he needed to butt him.
I was taking the piss re the 5 point deduction line.