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Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 18:57
by toppity
Autobarn wrote:Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I'm the opposite and think he will face the winner of Cotto v Margarito. DLH has never shirked from a challenge. Just look at his record.
He does have quite a lot of defeats.
what is the big deal about losing to quality opponents. When the best fighters in a division take each other on one must lose (usually). Would you have it that the best avoid each other keeping perfect records? Tell me, what sort of fights do you enjoy watching?
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 19:01
by jameswilson
toppity wrote:Autobarn wrote:Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I'm the opposite and think he will face the winner of Cotto v Margarito. DLH has never shirked from a challenge. Just look at his record.
He does have quite a lot of defeats.
what is the big deal about losing to quality opponents. When the best fighters in a division take each other on one must lose (usually). Would you have it that the best avoid each other keeping perfect records? Tell me, what sort of fights do you enjoy watching?
DG has 3 hobbies
1. Assasination.
2. Betting on assasination.
3. Water sports.
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 19:07
by DG.
Not sure about number 3.
Still, safer bet than AUDLEY!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 13 Jun 2008, 19:08
by jameswilson
DG. wrote:Not sure about number 3.
Still, safer bet than AUDLEY!
Racist!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 14 Jun 2008, 20:14
by banjo
DG. wrote:DG is here to rights wrongs!
All hail mighty DG!!!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 05:55
by DG.
banjo wrote:DG. wrote:DG is here to rights wrongs!
All hail mighty DG!!!
Its what I do!
Sing it Boxrec!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 06:23
by banjo
DG. wrote:banjo wrote:DG. wrote:DG is here to rights wrongs!
All hail mighty DG!!!
Its what I do!
Sing it Boxrec!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 07:11
by EddieShredder
Christ DG
De La Hoya is a modern legend. It will be a sad day for the sport when he hangs 'em up.
With Hatton ruling himself out of a potential match, Whilst I think he'll lose to Cotto... I reckon he'll go after the Cotto-Margarito winner for his final fight.
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 08:15
by DG.
EddieShredder wrote:Christ DG
De La Hoya is a modern legend. It will be a sad day for the sport when he hangs 'em up.
With Hatton ruling himself out of a potential match, Whilst I think he'll lose to Cotto... I reckon he'll go after the Cotto-Margarito winner for his final fight.
But he loses the big ones!
He is more Anna Kourniova than Steffi Graf!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 09:43
by Gray-Fox
Loynesy wrote:I just cannot understand anyone having a coherent reason for being critical of Oscar de la Hoya's career. Olympic Gold Medal, he's got the best CV of anyone since Leonard, and OK, he lost a few fights, but they were close, against greats and in some cases, brilliant fights. The first fight with Shane remains the best techical fight I have ever seen.
Coupled with that, he kept boxing going in the post-Tyson era - without him, the sport really could have shrivelled more than it did.
He is now promoting some of the best fights in boxing (interesting how all of his former victors are now either shareholders in Golden Boy or happy to have him as their promoter, showing that DLH himself is obviously a maganimous chap).
The twice I've met him, he was as nice as pie.
I do hate the fact my wife fancies his though.
Your wife fancies his wife? Or your wife fancies him?
And yes, the rest of your post is spot on. Even the US media are blinded by his losses to the fact that he's actually fought great fighters. As much as I love FMJR, he's fought at most 3 A* fighters, and even that's debatable.
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 10:14
by Rocky Balboa
[quote="Emerson Poncey Name Ghent"]I'm the opposite and think he will face the winner of Cotto v Margarito. DLH has never shirked from a challenge. Just look at his record.[/quote
I also think Oscar will face the winner of Cotto-Margarito. I think De La Hoya will be hoping Cotto is victorious because De La Hoya-Cotto would be a massive, mega fight. Could even be held in Puerto Rico, although Las Vegas is the most likely location.
Oscar has not backed away from a challenge during his career, but in saying that, every fighter would like to go out with a win, so he might decide to take on a easier option & still make big money.
If we did see Cotto/Margarito-De La Hoya what weight would it be at? Welter, LM, or a catchweight like it was for Forbes-De La Hoya?
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 12:07
by DG.
He won't be fighting cotto because his wife said he is not allowed to fight a puerto rican. How convenient!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 13:59
by stujones
Yeah, like DLH has avoided all the big challenges in his career!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 14:58
by sharry
if de la hoya a chicken i would love to see pound 4 pound number 1 dg fight
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 16:14
by DG.
sharry wrote:if de la hoya a chicken i would love to see pound 4 pound number 1 dg fight
Is that English?
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 16:19
by sharry
why can't you read !
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 16:27
by DG.
sharry wrote:why can't you read !
Que?
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 15 Jun 2008, 19:54
by banjo
DG. wrote:sharry wrote:why can't you read !
Que?
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 16 Jun 2008, 12:16
by Loynesy
The amazing irony here DG, is that you imply that Oscar de la Hoya is a coward, yet the only fighter you ever seem to have given respect to, Junior witter, ran like he was at a track meet when he fought Zab judah.
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 16 Jun 2008, 12:27
by hitman_hatton1
Loynesy wrote:The amazing irony here DG, is that you imply that Oscar de la Hoya is a coward, yet the only fighter you ever seem to have given respect to, Junior witter, ran like he was at a track meet when he fought Zab judah.
imagine witter banging away in an up for grabs 12th rd against an opponent like ike quartey.
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008, 05:06
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Delahoya isnt a coward but hes hardly moi macho either, he will only go for the kill if hes in with an undersized lighter hitting opponent that he can is tiring
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008, 06:09
by Autobarn
toppity wrote:Autobarn wrote:Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:I'm the opposite and think he will face the winner of Cotto v Margarito. DLH has never shirked from a challenge. Just look at his record.
He does have quite a lot of defeats.
what is the big deal about losing to quality opponents. When the best fighters in a division take each other on one must lose (usually). Would you have it that the best avoid each other keeping perfect records? Tell me, what sort of fights do you enjoy watching?
No. It's just that he has lost most of his big fights. Even though he usually went in with the advantage.
Trinidad.
Mosley 1.
Mosley 2.
Hopkins.
Mayweather.
OK 2 of those were controversial. But I am convinced that Quartey and Sturm beat him.
I'm just not a big DLH fan. He has always been able to dictate terms for the big fights, yet often loses despite coming in with serious advantages.
My explanation is that he weakened himself too much making 130 and 135. He even looked too big for 140. Spent too long boiling down the weight. When he went into the biggest fights at welter and above, he just didn't have the gas in him for a lot of these fights. IMO the years of weight draining may have spoiled him physically for the big ones, making him an 8-round fighter.
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008, 06:20
by DG.
Exactly - how is a supposed Legend always knackered after 8 rounds?
Media creation!
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008, 06:23
by stujones
Autobarn wrote:
No. It's just that he has lost most of his big fights. Even though he usually went in with the advantage.
Trinidad.
Mosley 1.
Mosley 2.
Hopkins.
Mayweather.
OK 2 of those were controversial. But I am convinced that Quartey and Sturm beat him.
I'm just not a big DLH fan. He has always been able to dictate terms for the big fights, yet often loses despite coming in with serious advantages.
My explanation is that he weakened himself too much making 130 and 135. He even looked too big for 140. Spent too long boiling down the weight. When he went into the biggest fights at welter and above, he just didn't have the gas in him for a lot of these fights. IMO the years of weight draining may have spoiled him physically for the big ones, making him an 8-round fighter.
So what were the advantages? Okay the Mayweather fight was at 154 and I believe the Hopkins fight was at a stipulated weight (fair cop on that one) - but the Mayweather fight was a WBC title defence.
And 3 of these were controvesial.... many thought he beat Mayweather.
And what about the big fights, that he won, in which he was the one giving away natural size (Vargas, Whittikar etc).
Re: Adios Chicken Tikka!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008, 06:25
by stujones
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Delahoya isnt a coward but hes hardly moi macho either, he will only go for the kill if hes in with an undersized lighter hitting opponent that he can is tiring
Yep, like Fernando Vargas, like Ike Quartey.