HEAVYWEIGHT TRIVIA!!!!!!!!!!!

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 09 Apr 2003, 17:51

Carruthers don't count (though he was pretty handy at getting himself mown down by a car).

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 09 Apr 2003, 17:56

Jack Sharkey was the only man ever to have fought both Dempsey and
Louis. He said that Louis was the kindest man he ever fought. Joe
knocked him down five times and every time asked if he was okay. Sharkey said Dempsey would grunt like an animal when throwing punches and ask, "aren't you dead yet?"

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 09 Apr 2003, 18:19

how sharkey compared Demspey to Louis:

There are several answers here. Sharkey said different things over the years. When I interviewed him he said (I'm not sure of the dollar figures, but to this effect) " Demspey knocked me out of a million dollar purse; Louis just a hundred thousand" I heard him give this answer several times in different interviews, so it was a stock gag. Also, "Dempsey hit me when I wasn't looking and Louis when I was old." I've read different reports over the years...sometimes he said Dempsey hit harder, other times Louis. As for all around ability, though he told me he thought Louis was "The most complete heavyweight I ever fought or saw." He thought very highly of him as a person,and the post about Louis being kind doesn't surprise me.

Right after the Louis fight, he said, "He's young and at is peak now, but someday he'll be old like me and the same thing will happen to him" The writer who quoted him said sharkey made his comment more with a touch of sadness than bitterness, as a general comment on what happens to most boxers.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 09 Apr 2003, 18:51

Carruthers don't count. It's the final record that counts. Countless champions retired unbeaten and then came back to get their arses kicked. Joe Louis and Jim Jeffries for just two examples. Now stop talking bollocks bollocks and chip in the those world champions who retired unbeaten and stayed retired.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 09 Apr 2003, 18:54

Before you jump down my throat, I know Louis lost to Schmeling...just wanted to talk some bollocks myself.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 10 Apr 2003, 15:11

Ricardo Lopez, Ji-Won Kim, Terry Marsh, Rocky Marciano, Jack McAuliffe.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 24 Apr 2003, 00:33

Is this one just going to lie there with no resolution? Do I have to stop people on the street and ask which heavyweight answered the phone with "It's your dime but my time?", as nobody here seems to know.

Hell, even I don't know, and I contact Nat Fleischer regularly on my oiuija board.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 29 Apr 2003, 13:18

okay...here's a new one:

What do Lennox Lewis, Rocky Marciano, Ingemar Johannsen, Riddick Bowe and Gene Tunney have in common?

....and don't say all were heavyweight champions.....i mean besides that.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 29 Apr 2003, 14:11

They all won their last fights (I don't think that is it because Lennox is still fighting).

Tyson KTFO 3 Times · Post by **Tyson KTFO 3 Times** » 29 Apr 2003, 14:15

hey......i've got it.......that all won their first fights as well.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 29 Apr 2003, 18:18

well..yeah..but that's true of many champions..the first fight thing.

okay..extra hint..if Ali had stayed in retirement after his second fight with Spinks, he'd be on the list.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 30 Apr 2003, 00:33

bollocks...didn't think of that, but yes, that's true. However, still not what i have in mind, though in a way you're close. okay..think rematches...now...think of each fighter and the rematches. Why does Johansenn's over all record get him on the list..but not Patterson? Now think outside the rematches...i.e. what can Johansenn claim that Patterson can't?

Better yet....what do they have in common with Marciano, who seems to be the odd one out, in that he was undefeated...the others weren't...but they can make one claim that is equal to his.

Damn...now I'm woried I may be confusing instead of clarifying.

Well...I'll give one more if this sits for a while.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 30 Apr 2003, 18:27

oops... a slip up here...question doesn't take Bowe's DQ against Mathnis jr into consideration. So..pretend that never happened.

This should help. mariciano can say he beat every man he ever fought.

Think Ali pre retirement. look at the records of the others.

Can they make the same statement?
If the answer is yes....well....is it different from "I won every fight I had"?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 01 May 2003, 01:35

I'm going to post the answer Friday. It's been on so long I keep thinking I've screwed up the question, but I double checked and triple checked...and my finding the Buster Mathis DQ...and saying it affected the question until I said to exclude it should be a strong hint.

So.....look at each fighters record. Look at the losses. Look at the men each one lost to. Now ....damn..I don't know how to put it. but..do those guys the fighters in question lost to appear anywhere else in the named fighters record???

Marvellous · Post by **Marvellous** » 01 May 2003, 04:41

After all those gracious hints I've got it. Actually, you practically said it outright. They all beat every man they ever faced, even if they needed a couple of shots to do it (or lost subsequently).
I noticed that Tunney fought one Harry Greb three times, losing on points the first time, with the two rematches ending in NC-ND. What's up with that?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 01 May 2003, 18:30

You've got it marvellous! I was just fooling around looking a records and stumbled across what I think is an interesting statistic...especially when you think of so many great fighters, for whatever reason...Louis,Sugar Ray..pick your era , who can't make that claim. In so many cases it was because they stayed around too long. For example, if Joe Louis had stayed retired after the second Walcott fight, he'd belong in this group.

Gene Tunney and Harry Greb fought five times. In the first one Greb beat him so badly some observers thought he wouldn't recover.The fight was for Tunney's American Light Heavyweight title..15 round decision. second fight.tunney won..close 15 round decision. third fight..Tunney 15 round decision.fourth and fifth fights..ten rounds..no decision...Tunney said to have clearly won. Greb was one of the few fighters or anybody..to pick Tunney to beat Dempsey. Said he gave Tunney a terrible beating in fight one, thought he won fight two but Tunny much better ..and "by fights four and five I couldn't handle him.

I've got an explanation on the No Decision rulings you see on a separate thread here on Boxers of the past. I'll click on it now to bring it up to the top. It was knind of acrfazy era...and if you'll go back and check the records of fighters who fought at that time, you'll find a lot of NDs.

Oh yes..as I understand the informal precedent here...now it's your turn to post a question.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 03 May 2003, 00:50

What do larry Holmes and Peter Mc Neeley have in common?