Manny Pacquiao: the Savior of boxing?

[Poncey]

All fair points but I'm not sure the Judah win is that great. Good but... If you are going by performance then many think DLH beat Floyd. I gave it Floyd but I didn't come away thinking Floyd proved hismelf superior to DLH.

Me neither. I scored it the same at the fight and on DVD. 114-114. I was one point different to Ian Darke.

For me, Pac-man has beaten 2 true HoF fighters whereas Floyd has only beaten 1. However, Floyd's overall record has more consistency for good quality. It's a tough one.

[dempseyfire]

He beat them all when they were past their prime, though. Especially Morales. Barrera was in his prime 8 or 10 years ago, and Marquez is no spring chicken. On top of that, he didn't really beat Marquez in the last match. I thought Marquez deserved the decision.

Well I and many others had Pacquao beating Marquez, very close fight but no-one can claim robbery (I also had Pacquao beating JMM in the first fight) Floyd-Castillo I was not nearly as close.

Way past their prime? Barrera had beating Hamed in his career best fight less than 2 years prior to facing Pacquao, and AFTER the defeat looked damn impressive vs Ayala, Morales III, and Marquez.

Morales was slightly past his prime but he had just produced one of his career best performances in the first Pacquao fight and had recently beaten top contenders Chavez and Hernandez, and fought a very close fight with MAB.

A slightly past it Morales is still better than any version of Zab Judah.

[Big Bad John]

You're going out of your way to avoid mentioning Zahir Raheem.

[dempseyfire]

You're going out of your way to avoid mentioning Zahir Raheem.

No, Morales was never a lightweight and Raheem was an awful matchup for him style-wise. It didn't prove Morales was a shot fighter. Morales would have always had major issues with Raheem.

[Big Bad John]

Morales would have always had major issues with Raheem.

Then how can you call him a great fighter? And don't forget that Raheem was a year away from fighting at 126.

[My2Sense]

And don't forget that Raheem was a year away from fighting at 126.

Actually, Raheem had moved up from featherweight about 3-4 years earlier, and had fought all but one of his fights since then at 130 or 135. The one time he tried to get back down near 126 (vs. Juarez), he was fined for failing to make the contracted weight stipulations.

[My2Sense]

Again, how many of you guys bought Manny Pacquiao's last pay-per-view? How many of you bought Mayweather's last pay-per-view? I'm just curious.

But all you're doing is singling out Manny's worst selling PPV and Floyd's two best to make this comparison.

That would be like saying, "How many people bought Manny's PPVs with Morales or Marquez, as opposed to Floyd's with Baldomir?", to prove that Manny is a bigger name than Floyd.

Neither one tells the story properly.