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granberry wrote:Ultimate Ali sycophant TheOne writhes and writhes in agony.

All the Ali sycophants are on display squirming here.

Hilarious.

The swallowers of every word from the great self-appointed boxing experts Thomas Hauser and David Remnick.

Here is a question for the Ali sycophants here:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

How can I writhe in agony?

I disabled your images and your words have all the sting of the punches George Foreman threw at Muhammad Ali in Kinshshasha after he robbed him of all his energy...


"Even Ali’s opponents were positively influenced by him. Several years after his losses to Ali, Ken Norton suffered a serious automobile accident and had to be hospitalized, and doctors thought he might never walk again. One of the first persons to visit him was Ali. Norton remembered looking up,

…and there was this crazy man standing by my bed. It was Ali, and he was doing magic tricks for me. He made a handkerchief disappear; he levitated. And I said to myself, if he does one more awful trick, I’m going to get well just so I can kill him. But Ali was there, and his being there helped me. So I don’t want to be remembered as the man who broke Ali’s jaw. I just want to be remembered as a man who fought three close competitive fights with Ali, and became his friend when the fighting was over "


You could learn a lesson , not only from Mr. Ali but from Ken Norton

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Ultimate Ali sycophant TheOne writhes and writhes in agony.

All the Ali sycophants are on display squirming here.

Hilarious.

The swallowers of every word from the great self-appointed boxing experts Thomas Hauser and David Remnick.

Here is a question for the Ali sycophants here:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

How can I writhe in agony?

I disabled your images and your words have all the sting of the punches George Foreman threw at Muhammad Ali in Kinshshasha after he robbed him of all his energy...


"Even Ali’s opponents were positively influenced by him. Several years after his losses to Ali, Ken Norton suffered a serious automobile accident and had to be hospitalized, and doctors thought he might never walk again. One of the first persons to visit him was Ali. Norton remembered looking up,

…and there was this crazy man standing by my bed. It was Ali, and he was doing magic tricks for me. He made a handkerchief disappear; he levitated. And I said to myself, if he does one more awful trick, I’m going to get well just so I can kill him. But Ali was there, and his being there helped me. So I don’t want to be remembered as the man who broke Ali’s jaw. I just want to be remembered as a man who fought three close competitive fights with Ali, and became his friend when the fighting was over "


You could learn a lesson , not only from Mr. Ali but from Ken Norton

Granberry has just been OWNED!

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

-granberry

Gee, I don't know...He's a very educated man,watches lots of fights, knows the participants, and writes well...

Yeah, that qualifies him as an expert...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
"I'm going to meet God and I'm going to tell him you're my friend."

Muhammad Ali himself recalls an encounter with Jimmy, a young boy suffering from leukemia, who wanted to meet him before his epic fight with George Foreman in 1974. Before the boy left, Ali had a photograph taken of himself and Jimmy which he enlarged later and sent to the kid, with the inscription: “You’re going to beat cancer. I’m going to beat George. Love, Your friend, Muhammad Ali.”[10] Two weeks later Ali learned that Jimmy was in a hospital and not expected to live. Within three hours Ali was at the boy’s bedside.

When I walked in he was lying in his bed and I saw that his skin was as white as his sheets were.

Jimmy looked up with bright eyes and called out, “Muhammad, I knew you would come!”

I walked over to his bedside and said, “Jimmy, remember what I told you? I’m going to beat George Foreman and you’re going to beat cancer.”

Jimmy looked up at me and whispered, “No, Muhammad. I’m going to meet God, and I’m going to tell him that you are my friend.”

The room was silent and we were in tears. I hugged Jimmy good-bye and later that night when we returned to my training camp, none of us spoke much.[11]


A week later the boy died, and the father invited Ali to the funeral. Unable to attend, he sent Gene, his assistant. “When Gene returned from the funeral, he told [Ali] that there had been an open casket and that the autographed picture was beside Jimmy’s head.”[12]


http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm

TheOne believes EVERY WORD from the National Enquirer.

TheOne is a TRUE BELIEVER.

bennie wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Ultimate Ali sycophant TheOne writhes and writhes in agony.

All the Ali sycophants are on display squirming here.

Hilarious.

The swallowers of every word from the great self-appointed boxing experts Thomas Hauser and David Remnick.

Here is a question for the Ali sycophants here:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

How can I writhe in agony?

I disabled your images and your words have all the sting of the punches George Foreman threw at Muhammad Ali in Kinshshasha after he robbed him of all his energy...


"Even Ali’s opponents were positively influenced by him. Several years after his losses to Ali, Ken Norton suffered a serious automobile accident and had to be hospitalized, and doctors thought he might never walk again. One of the first persons to visit him was Ali. Norton remembered looking up,

…and there was this crazy man standing by my bed. It was Ali, and he was doing magic tricks for me. He made a handkerchief disappear; he levitated. And I said to myself, if he does one more awful trick, I’m going to get well just so I can kill him. But Ali was there, and his being there helped me. So I don’t want to be remembered as the man who broke Ali’s jaw. I just want to be remembered as a man who fought three close competitive fights with Ali, and became his friend when the fighting was over "


You could learn a lesson , not only from Mr. Ali but from Ken Norton

Granberry has just been OWNED!

bennie has displayed himself as a TRUE BELIEVER on a level with the frantic TheOne.

bennie swallows media swill as devoutly as TheOne.

bennie was WRITHING so badly that he HAD TO show up here

and profess his undying devotion to the Religion of Ali.

Swallow the swill, bennie.

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
"I'm going to meet God and I'm going to tell him you're my friend."

Muhammad Ali himself recalls an encounter with Jimmy, a young boy suffering from leukemia, who wanted to meet him before his epic fight with George Foreman in 1974. Before the boy left, Ali had a photograph taken of himself and Jimmy which he enlarged later and sent to the kid, with the inscription: “You’re going to beat cancer. I’m going to beat George. Love, Your friend, Muhammad Ali.”[10] Two weeks later Ali learned that Jimmy was in a hospital and not expected to live. Within three hours Ali was at the boy’s bedside.

When I walked in he was lying in his bed and I saw that his skin was as white as his sheets were.

Jimmy looked up with bright eyes and called out, “Muhammad, I knew you would come!”

I walked over to his bedside and said, “Jimmy, remember what I told you? I’m going to beat George Foreman and you’re going to beat cancer.”

Jimmy looked up at me and whispered, “No, Muhammad. I’m going to meet God, and I’m going to tell him that you are my friend.”

The room was silent and we were in tears. I hugged Jimmy good-bye and later that night when we returned to my training camp, none of us spoke much.[11]


A week later the boy died, and the father invited Ali to the funeral. Unable to attend, he sent Gene, his assistant. “When Gene returned from the funeral, he told [Ali] that there had been an open casket and that the autographed picture was beside Jimmy’s head.”[12]


http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm

TheOne believes EVERY WORD from the National Enquirer.

TheOne is a TRUE BELIEVER.

It's from The Soul Of A Butterfly which was written by him and his daughter, Hana...

More about The Greatest:



It is important to note that although Muhammad Ali was a Muslim, he did not exclude any group from his humanitarian efforts. Given the longstanding conflict between Muslims and Jews in the United States and abroad, many would assume that Muhammad Ali would not consider contributing to any Jewish causes. However, many sources have documented his contribution to the Self Help Community Services Hillside Aged Program of Washington Heights, New York City. According to these reports, Ali discovered that the center, which provided recreational facilities for 54 aged and handicapped members, needed $100,000 or it would soon be forced to shut its doors.[50] Ferdie Pacheco remembers the occasion:

My mind flashes back to a hotel room in New York City before the first Frazier fight. Ali was watching the news. A story came on about ancient inhabitants of a Jewish nursing home who were being evicted because they couldn’t come up with $100,000. It was cold in New York, and the thought of those old people on the street got to Ali. Without any discussion, he reached for the phone and called the TV station. He would donate the $100,000 provided his name not be used. Ali did not want trouble from the Muslims or from certain members of the Ali Circus who were chronically “in need.” Money was given, it arrived in time, old people were saved, the curtain comes down, go to black and a happy ending.

Not quite.

Someone leaked it to the New York newspapers, and Ali was on the front page.[51]



http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm#_edn11

The cat is like Mother Teresa with boxing gloves.

granberry wrote:Ultimate Ali sycophant TheOne writhes and writhes in agony.

All the Ali sycophants are on display squirming here.

Hilarious.

The swallowers of every word from the great self-appointed boxing experts Thomas Hauser and David Remnick.

Here is a question for the Ali sycophants here:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

What qualifies YOU to pontificate on boxing, given that you've never boxed, trained, sparred or coached a boxer in your life? If you had, you probably wouldn't think that a southpaw punch himself in the face if he threw a left hook.

Knucklez wrote:

granberry wrote:Ultimate Ali sycophant TheOne writhes and writhes in agony.

All the Ali sycophants are on display squirming here.

Hilarious.

The swallowers of every word from the great self-appointed boxing experts Thomas Hauser and David Remnick.

Here is a question for the Ali sycophants here:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

What qualifies YOU to pontificate on boxing, given that you've never boxed, trained, sparred or coached a boxer in your life? If you had, you probably wouldn't think that a southpaw punch himself in the face if he threw a left hook.

Can I write about boxing?

My uncle was a professional boxer...My dad was an amateur boxer and I boxed for fun (very crappily) as well...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

-granberry

Gee, I don't know...He's a very educated man,watches lots of fights, knows the participants, and writes well...

Yeah, that qualifies him as an expert...

Thomas Hauser is TheOne's priest,

leading TheOne to the exalted upper regions of the Worship of Ali.

The Religion of Ali is a laughable, ridiculous spectacle to anyone who observes it in action.

Display your devoutness, Ali sycophants.

Terry D wrote:It seems Norton was not the only person who admired Ali. Earnie Shavers:

“In America (when you) walk into a gym your dream is to become champion of the world and fight in the Mecca of boxing…a fight with Ali was the pinnacle of my career…that made my whole career.”

“I did have those fifteen rounds in the back of my mind so didn’t go for it when I had Ali hurt in the second round. If you get Ali hurt you go for it because he is such a wise fighter. Ali was the master.”

He also says he was inspired by Ali's faith.

I am sure he was no Saint but a good few of his opponents spoke well of him. I am sure they were in a greaterposition of judgement than some guy on a boxing forum.

Ali isn't a saint... We all know that but granny is trying to make him into a bad guy which he isn't or wasn't...

And then granny tries to make the case that Ali wasn't a great boxer...That's just sillly beside the cherry picked quotes he unearthed...

Hate makes people do stupid things...

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

WHAT qualifies Thomas Hauser to pontificate on boxing?

-granberry

Gee, I don't know...He's a very educated man,watches lots of fights, knows the participants, and writes well...

Yeah, that qualifies him as an expert...

Thomas Hauser is TheOne's priest,

leading TheOne to the exalted upper regions of the Worship of Ali.

The Religion of Ali is a laughable, ridiculous spectacle to anyone who observes it in action.

Display your devoutness, Ali sycophants.

I have read lots of books on Ali...Hauser's book...Remick's book...Stuff by Joyce Carol Oates, Mailer, Newfield and a host of other writers...I used to like Edwin Pope's stuff to... I even read Krams's Ghosts Of Manilla...

But more importantly I observed the man with my own eyes since I was a young boy...

granberry wrote:I'll tell my boxing friends to take a glance at this thread

Terap and Capslock?

ebeneezer wrote:

granberry wrote:I'll tell my boxing friends to take a glance at this thread

Terap and Capslock?

I thought granny was terap...

Seriously Buzz - how long are you going to allow this trolling to continue?

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

ebeneezer wrote:

granberry wrote:I'll tell my boxing friends to take a glance at this thread

Terap and Capslock?

I thought granny was terap...

He was Capslock as well

ebeneezer wrote:Seriously Buzz - how long are you going to allow this trolling to continue?

He's entertaining. Maybe a bit repetitive.

But he's like the devil's advocate...Before one becomes a saint in the Catholic Church they have a person , the advocatus diaboli or the devil's advocate, make a series of charges against him or her...It is only when the charges are successfuly rebutted that the person becomes a saint...

No, I don't think Ali is a saint... I do think he has transcended his sport in a way no athlete has or did and is such a great improvisational and brave boxer that he would be competitive with any boxer who has ever lived.

bennie wrote:

Thanks Bennie
I like Frazier too - just trying to make a point to Granberry.

SteveO wrote:

bennie wrote:

Thanks Bennie
I like Frazier too - just trying to make a point to Granberry.

I see Joe autographed the first one...I wonder if Joe did it on his own...I wouldn't have the stones to ask Frazier to autograph it for me...

Yep Joe and Ali are top tier in my mind...on just about every measure when it come to this sport. We were so lucky as fans to have witnessed such greatness in competition. And for all intents and purposes you can credibly argue that it was about as close to a stalemate as it gets. Joe was willing to go out on his sword and no one can say for sure the he wouldnt' have been standing at the end of the 15th. I don't think he would have won the fight...but that's only my opinion.

Anyone know what the scorecards read at the end of the 14th?

BoxBuzz wrote:Yep Joe and Ali are top tier in my mind...on just about every measure when it come to this sport. We were so lucky as fans to have witnessed such greatness in competition. And for all intents and purposes you can credibly argue that it was about as close to a stalemate as it gets. Joe was willing to go out on his sword and no one can say for sure the he wouldnt' have been standing at the end of the 15th. I don't think he would have won the fight...but that's only my opinion.

Anyone know what the scorecards read at the end of the 14th?

I believe he was behind on all three cards and I suspect that had some influence on Futch's decision.

Ali was comfortably ahead on all three cards.

Big Bad John wrote:Ali was comfortably ahead on all three cards.

I know which fighter he hates...Which one does he like?

Big Bad John wrote:Ali was comfortably ahead on all three cards.

Not according to Granberry-Terap-Capslock.

According to him, Frazier was way ahead and Ali was done.

In fact, according to G-T-C, the "Ali Industry" (he's never explained what that is) had paid off Futch to use all his best edeavours to ensure Ali won. That's why Futch ended the fight, according to G-T-C.

Ali's loss to Frazier certainly hurts his ranking a bit but Ali faced most of the best fighters of his era unlike Dempsey and Holmes. Additionally, Ali's longevity and the sheer number of highly rated fighters he beat puts him high in the rankings.

I don't see why granberry would think that the loss is such a huge blow to Ali's legacy. Ali's loss to Frazier was less devastating than Joe Louis's loss to Max Schmelling.

Cojimar 1945 wrote:Ali's loss to Frazier certainly hurts his ranking a bit but Ali faced most of the best fighters of his era unlike Dempsey and Holmes. Additionally, Ali's longevity and the sheer number of highly rated fighters he beat puts him high in the rankings.

I don't see why granberry would think that the loss is such a huge blow to Ali's legacy. Ali's loss to Frazier was less devastating than Joe Louis's loss to Max Schmelling.

I think Holmes fought most of the best fighters`of his era.

Sure he had a few gimmes but all long reigning champs do.

People often bring up Greg Page's`name and suggest he was some sort of phenom and that Larry ducked him.

But Greg was inconsistent, losing to guys he ought to have beaten if he was such a great fighter. Guys Larry had beaten or would beat. If the supposed #1 contender gets beaten by an underdog it does hurt his claim for a title shot, surely.

Sure, I'd love to have seen Holmes vs Page rather than Holmes vs Frank but at heavy, outside of one or two champs, we can easily find names of contenders whose`names would look better on the champ's resume than some that he did fight.