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Posted: **08 Jul 2008, 16:07**

josh fg wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:It's a mismatch, Haye will win withing 4. Maskaev's shot and chinny as well.
Haye is also chinny and also never before tested at HW which is Maskaev's natural weight. Its an exciting fight and a lot more than most of us would have expected for his first fight at HW. If he performs well against him it will speak volumes for his class at the weight.

Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.

Posted: **08 Jul 2008, 16:27**

Peter never dropped Oleg and he hit him with everything, and he hurt Peter as well

Posted: **08 Jul 2008, 16:30**

Will this sell out the o2? I wonder what price tickets will be. This is a hard first fight.

Posted: **08 Jul 2008, 18:34**

Max Molyneux wrote:
josh fg wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:It's a mismatch, Haye will win withing 4. Maskaev's shot and chinny as well.
Haye is also chinny and also never before tested at HW which is Maskaev's natural weight. Its an exciting fight and a lot more than most of us would have expected for his first fight at HW. If he performs well against him it will speak volumes for his class at the weight.
Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.

Being in the top 10 rankings doesn't but beating Sam and Rahman probably put you there or there abouts.

Posted: **08 Jul 2008, 19:14**

i think its a great first fight, i think maskaev is a better man than rahman at moment. if maskaev lands a half decent shot the dream may well be all over for haye, its a huge gamble but will put haye right up there in the rankings and ready to be a mandatory challenger...

Posted: **08 Jul 2008, 19:16**

Slightly tentative from Haye, but very sensible. It should be a comfortable canter for him. However, should Maskaev land something meaty, his age and stamina might allow for a comeback from David. That's what you need in a novice fight; chances to make mistakes without a prohibitive price.

Imagine Khan in with Pacquiao. He'd shut-up shop. Courageous boxers are so rare these days, the last thing we should do is heckle them into taking a mauling for our entertainment. Then the Press would say 'Ah, he wasn't good enough. Another British failure bigging himself up.'

We see it in athletics all the time. Every whining sports journalist should be forced to partake in the events they cover come the Olympics.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 04:03**

How much ambition will Maskaev bring? I think he's done. This will be a nice paycheck for him, could be a train wreck.

Haye early KO is my prediction.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 04:55**

Max Molyneux wrote:It's a mismatch, Haye will win withing 4. Maskaev's shot and chinny as well.

Moan moan moan

Typical reaction of the typical malcontent British forum poster

Who do you want instead? Lennox Lewis v1999?

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 04:56**

Autobarn wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Autobarn wrote:You know what I mean, for this fight.

Sorry no, ive been busy today

also i'm not sure why i would need to sign a contract, i think i will just watch it on TV
Joking aside, is there any indication that this fight is definitely on? Or do you take the BoxRec schedule as an authority?

I have no idea, i am not actually involved in the fight from any sort of contractual standpoint

Although the day is young! (Just like my wife)

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 04:57**

I wonder what happens to Haye's contracts with Setanta and Golden Boy is he gets knocked out. Actually, I don't wonder. He'll get dropped like a grenade (at least from the US side). Hopefully he keeps on winning.

Maskaev is a nice idea. Let's see what comes of it. He is an upright European so Haye will probably go for the kill early. Haye needs a fight to test himself out at the weight.

Wouldn't mind seeing Haye fight a pressure fighter. Or some fairly squat, strong guy who comes forward. That style bothered Haye at cruiser, when he didn't have his full strength. I'd like to see how he copes at heavy.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 04:58**

josh fg wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:It's a mismatch, Haye will win withing 4. Maskaev's shot and chinny as well.
Haye is also chinny and also never before tested at HW which is Maskaev's natural weight. Its an exciting fight and a lot more than most of us would have expected for his first fight at HW. If he performs well against him it will speak volumes for his class at the weight.

Its an excellent fight for debut, and anyone who thinks differently should probably go and sit in a ditch rather than post on a boxing forum

quack quack quack

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 05:23**

Max Molyneux wrote: Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.

I think that clip detracts from your argument. I didn't see any evidence that Maskaev was shot. His is a well schooled boxer who went toe to toe with Samuel Peter, didn't dropped but got hurt more than he hurt Peter.

Oleg is a recent world champ and a legit top HW. He's a good opponent for the same reason i wanted Ibragimov. Everyone will be able to directly compare Haye's perfomance against Peter's (Wlad's) perfomance.

Who should Haye be fighting instead? Who has recently fought in better company and is not scheduled?

Also i think Maskaev will come in hungry it would be a high profile win for him and i was very impressed with the shape & performance he put in against Samil Sam when he could have very easily been under motivated.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 05:40**

Don't think Maskaev could hve been undermotivated for Sam. Maskaev was fighting for his career and wasn't it a WBC elim?

Perfect fight for Haye. Haye wanted Rahman but now he maybe has someone who holds two KO wins over Rahman.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 05:51**

It wasn't an elimantor, it was for the full title.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 06:32**

Fair enough. I didn't remember. Boxrec says it was for the WBC Intl title and full title eliminator. Still i was impressed with the pounding that Oleg gave Sam considering his previous years in the wilderness.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 06:36**

I'd guess Maskaev will come with plenty of ambition, especially if someone shows him a clip of Haye getting dropped by supermiddle Mock. He'll know he's one punch away from another half million or so, as a win over the golden boy will get him another shot no doubt.

This guy can punch - he knocked out Rahman, and his chin can't be that fragile, by HW standards, if Rahman couldn't beat him with two attempts - and we know Rahman hits hard.
Who knows, Haye might be in for a shock if his big shots don't have the same effect on heavweights. Though let's hope they do, for everyone's sake.
Be interesting to see the odds on this one, if it hopefully comes off.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 07:03**

This is no soft touch at all, and Haye could come unstuck. I do predict he will do an impressive job, but that has far more to do with Haye's talent and desire, rather than easy matchmaking.
It is so refreshing to see this attitude, maybe it is not all together sensible, but it may well make him one of the most popular fighters of the era.
As long as he doesn't get his head knocked off 1st!

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:15**

Shirow wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote: Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.
I think that clip detracts from your argument. I didn't see any evidence that Maskaev was shot. His is a well schooled boxer who went toe to toe with Samuel Peter, didn't dropped but got hurt more than he hurt Peter.

Oleg is a recent world champ and a legit top HW. He's a good opponent for the same reason i wanted Ibragimov. Everyone will be able to directly compare Haye's perfomance against Peter's (Wlad's) perfomance.

Who should Haye be fighting instead? Who has recently fought in better company and is not scheduled?

Also i think Maskaev will come in hungry it would be a high profile win for him and i was very impressed with the shape & performance he put in against Samil Sam when he could have very easily been under motivated.

No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:26**

Max Molyneux wrote:
Shirow wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote: Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.
I think that clip detracts from your argument. I didn't see any evidence that Maskaev was shot. His is a well schooled boxer who went toe to toe with Samuel Peter, didn't dropped but got hurt more than he hurt Peter.

Oleg is a recent world champ and a legit top HW. He's a good opponent for the same reason i wanted Ibragimov. Everyone will be able to directly compare Haye's perfomance against Peter's (Wlad's) perfomance.

Who should Haye be fighting instead? Who has recently fought in better company and is not scheduled?

Also i think Maskaev will come in hungry it would be a high profile win for him and i was very impressed with the shape & performance he put in against Samil Sam when he could have very easily been under motivated.

No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.

But like it or not that is the current state of the heavyweight division. Who would you rather he stepped up against? Maskaev is still a lot more skilled than most, together with his still very good power. I can't believe you're not happy with this as a debut fight at the weight (actually I can but...) a fighter who up until one fight ago was WBC champion, it's not a bad start.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:30**

Lenny wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote: Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.
I think that clip detracts from your argument. I didn't see any evidence that Maskaev was shot. His is a well schooled boxer who went toe to toe with Samuel Peter, didn't dropped but got hurt more than he hurt Peter.

Oleg is a recent world champ and a legit top HW. He's a good opponent for the same reason i wanted Ibragimov. Everyone will be able to directly compare Haye's perfomance against Peter's (Wlad's) perfomance.

Who should Haye be fighting instead? Who has recently fought in better company and is not scheduled?

Also i think Maskaev will come in hungry it would be a high profile win for him and i was very impressed with the shape & performance he put in against Samil Sam when he could have very easily been under motivated.

No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.

But like it or not that is the current state of the heavyweight division. Who would you rather he stepped up against? Maskaev is still a lot more skilled than most, together with his still very good power. I can't believe you're not happy with this as a debut fight at the weight (actually I can but...) a fighter who up until one fight ago was WBC champion, it's not a bad start.

Until Haye fights a prime Mike Tyson circa 1986, i wont be impressed

quack quack quack

My impression of some Boxrec posters

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:33**

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Lenny wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote: Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.

I think that clip detracts from your argument. I didn't see any evidence that Maskaev was shot. His is a well schooled boxer who went toe to toe with Samuel Peter, didn't dropped but got hurt more than he hurt Peter.

Oleg is a recent world champ and a legit top HW. He's a good opponent for the same reason i wanted Ibragimov. Everyone will be able to directly compare Haye's perfomance against Peter's (Wlad's) perfomance.

Who should Haye be fighting instead? Who has recently fought in better company and is not scheduled?

Also i think Maskaev will come in hungry it would be a high profile win for him and i was very impressed with the shape & performance he put in against Samil Sam when he could have very easily been under motivated.

No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.

But like it or not that is the current state of the heavyweight division. Who would you rather he stepped up against? Maskaev is still a lot more skilled than most, together with his still very good power. I can't believe you're not happy with this as a debut fight at the weight (actually I can but...) a fighter who up until one fight ago was WBC champion, it's not a bad start.

Until Haye fights a prime Mike Tyson circa 1986, i wont be impressed

quack quack quack

My impression of some Boxrec posters

Well he talks so much he should be meek and boring like Lewis confidence is just unbritish!

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:35**

Lenny wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.
But like it or not that is the current state of the heavyweight division. Who would you rather he stepped up against? Maskaev is still a lot more skilled than most, together with his still very good power. I can't believe you're not happy with this as a debut fight at the weight (actually I can but...) a fighter who up until one fight ago was WBC champion, it's not a bad start.

Max's logic

If Boxer = 'Joe Calzaghe' then
Status = 'GOAT'
Else
Status = 'SHIT'
End If

Chambers's Logic

If Poster = 'Max Molyneux' then
ReadPostStatus = 'Ignore it he's a Bell End'
End If

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:39**

leforge wrote:Will this sell out the o2? I wonder what price tickets will be. This is a hard first fight.

It'll be interesting to see the undercard. Will Haye bring in non Hayemaker promotions fighters for the Undercard?

If the ticket prices are decent and the undercard is good Ill make the effort.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:40**

Chambers2 wrote:
Lenny wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.
But like it or not that is the current state of the heavyweight division. Who would you rather he stepped up against? Maskaev is still a lot more skilled than most, together with his still very good power. I can't believe you're not happy with this as a debut fight at the weight (actually I can but...) a fighter who up until one fight ago was WBC champion, it's not a bad start.
Max's logic

If Boxer = 'Joe Calzaghe' then
Status = 'GOAT'
Else
Status = 'SHIT'
End If

Chambers's Logic

If Poster = 'Max Molyneux' then
ReadPostStatus = 'Ignore it he's a Bell End'
End If

I prefer to use java.

Posted: **09 Jul 2008, 08:41**

jameswilson wrote:
leforge wrote:Will this sell out the o2? I wonder what price tickets will be. This is a hard first fight.

It'll be interesting to see the undercard. Will Haye bring in non Hayemaker promotions fighters for the Undercard?

If the ticket prices are decent and the undercard is good Ill make the effort.

If its cheeper than the Macaranelli fight I'll go watch it but I ain't paying £80 for shit seats!

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