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Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:00**

Ant Evans wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Why Calzaghe runs like a scalded dog from Pavlik, B-Hop steps up and fights the man Joe is clearly so scared of.

So instead of Joe v Pavlik, who have two fights where the "live" fighter insteads goes again an old fart. Pathetic. Isn't there any quality control in boxing? Why the f--k should fans put up with this shit?

SHAME on you Joe Calzaghe! SHAME!

Christ you are a bitter man!

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:01**

Ant Evans wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Why Calzaghe runs like a scalded dog from Pavlik, B-Hop steps up and fights the man Joe is clearly so scared of.

So instead of Joe v Pavlik, who have two fights where the "live" fighter insteads goes again an old fart. Pathetic. Isn't there any quality control in boxing? Why the f--k should fans put up with this shit?

SHAME on you Joe Calzaghe! SHAME!

The history books show JC W12 B-Hop!

Hopkins is the most boring fighter in the whole world.

Hopkins W12 Pavlik by running like a bitch!

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:08**

Ant Evans wrote:
Coco wrote:
Ant Evans wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Why Calzaghe runs like a scalded dog from Pavlik, B-Hop steps up and fights the man Joe is clearly so scared of.

So instead of Joe v Pavlik, who have two fights where the "live" fighter insteads goes again an old fart. Pathetic. Isn't there any quality control in boxing? Why the f--k should fans put up with this shit?

SHAME on you Joe Calzaghe! SHAME!
Christ you are a bitter man!
Bitter? In what way? Bitter than I wrote articles for years that top fighters were ducking Calzaghe in favour of easy fan-fleecing mismatches, only for Joe to do exact same thing once he reached the top? You may have a point.

You are a bitter twat...now go and write about 'The Big Show' or some other pathetic WWE crap. That is mor eyour level.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:17**

Ant Evans is right tbh...BUT we know Calzone is only in the game for low risk-high reward...

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:39**

Gray-Fox wrote:I'm fed up of all this weight swapping tbh.

I wish it would return to great middles fighting world class middles etc....

Agreed - or just collpase Middle and Super-Middle back into one division for fecks sake.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:42**

Ant Evans wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Why Calzaghe runs like a scalded dog from Pavlik, B-Hop steps up and fights the man Joe is clearly so scared of.

So instead of Joe v Pavlik, who have two fights where the "live" fighter insteads goes again an old fart. Pathetic. Isn't there any quality control in boxing? Why the f--k should fans put up with this shit?

SHAME on you Joe Calzaghe! SHAME!

You posted after when Witter lost to Bradley that Calzaghe was a real champ though.

Pavlik has only fought Taylor at world level, even If he gets better he ain't ready for an elite like Joe anyway.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:42**

DG. wrote:
Ant Evans wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Why Calzaghe runs like a scalded dog from Pavlik, B-Hop steps up and fights the man Joe is clearly so scared of.

So instead of Joe v Pavlik, who have two fights where the "live" fighter insteads goes again an old fart. Pathetic. Isn't there any quality control in boxing? Why the f--k should fans put up with this shit?

SHAME on you Joe Calzaghe! SHAME!
The history books show JC W12 B-Hop!

Hopkins is the most boring fighter in the whole world.

Hopkins W12 Pavlik by running like a bitch!

So its official you've only been watching boxing 5 miniutes

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:44**

Gray-Fox wrote:I'm fed up of all this weight swapping tbh.

I wish it would return to great middles fighting world class middles etc....

World Class Middles - isnt that an oxymoron at the moment?

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:45**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Gray-Fox wrote:I'm fed up of all this weight swapping tbh.

I wish it would return to great middles fighting world class middles etc....
World Class Middles - isnt that an oxymoron at the moment?

Sturm, Abraham, Pavlik...

I don't think so!

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 16:48**

Gray-Fox wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Gray-Fox wrote:I'm fed up of all this weight swapping tbh.

I wish it would return to great middles fighting world class middles etc....
World Class Middles - isnt that an oxymoron at the moment?
Sturm, Abraham, Pavlik...

I don't think so!

Well Abraham and Pavlik couldnt agree terms for whatever reason, so Pavy has to find another dance partner, and Sturm isnt world class by the looks of things he'd get dismantled by the other 2. Middles a pretty weak division and has been for a long time

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 17:00**

43 year old Hopkins beat Calzaghe in many peoples eyes.

He bust him up, broke his nose and dropped him on his backside and outboxed him for 6 of the 12 rounds.

He's had what, 1 soft stoppage of Manfredo in his last 8 fights ? the rest have been good boxing displays (apart from Bika but he was unmotivated for that) but hardly been a killer.

Pavlik has took care of business in style, leaving no room for debate in anyone's minds.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 17:07**

Your contradicting yourself Ant.

Gomez after the 1st round I couldn't give that cheat a round till the 8th Hopkins mostly just hugged, fouled and low blowed, he didn't win a thing.

Joe's left no one In doubt In his wins either, not stopping them doesn't change that.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 17:10**

G0mez wrote:43 year old Hopkins beat Calzaghe in many peoples eyes.

At the same time the vast majority thought Calzaghe won. Every poll (on every site/forum) and all the channels that broadcasted the fight clearly pointed to the fact that Calzaghe deserved a close win (nevertheless there were a couple of famous British boxing writers who thought Hopkins won).

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 17:28**

I think Hopkins embarrassed himself, in his fight with Calzaghe - hugging and running for 12 rounds, pretending to be hurt, doing anything he could to steal the fight, other than actually having a fight. Then again if Hopkins had actually decided to trade and fight, it would have just meant more success for Calzaghe.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 17:30**

What is wrong with you Evans, you have lost it.

And because you have been bigging yourself up I can only assume you know you are on shaky ground.

I am sure the Daily Telegraph wouldn't have published the kind of bitter drivel you have been writing on here.

In an earlier post you said that you have been writing for years that Calzaghe has been ducking people. Then you said you changed your mind about him some time after the Witter-Bradley fight. I don't get it?

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 17:31**

Whilst I am here, can I please also point out the obvious.

Hopkins has less options about who he fights. He lost his last fight. Calzaghe didn't.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 19:13**

I think what we dont get Ant is why you called him a real champion, but then claimed you slated him for years.

I'm starting to think you may not be the real Ant Evans!

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 19:53**

Ant Evans wrote:
Coco wrote:
Ant Evans wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns
Why Calzaghe runs like a scalded dog from Pavlik, B-Hop steps up and fights the man Joe is clearly so scared of.

So instead of Joe v Pavlik, who have two fights where the "live" fighter insteads goes again an old fart. Pathetic. Isn't there any quality control in boxing? Why the f--k should fans put up with this shit?

SHAME on you Joe Calzaghe! SHAME!
Christ you are a bitter man!
Bitter? In what way? Bitter than I wrote articles for years that top fighters were ducking Calzaghe in favour of easy fan-fleecing mismatches, only for Joe to do exact same thing once he reached the top? You may have a point.

It's what boxers do. He's got two fights left. He wants to be a rich man.

Plus Calzaghe could have missed Kessler on the way, but didn't.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 19:55**

Ant Evans wrote: Why are you having such a hard time with this simple reasoning?

Cos I aint no established journo like you.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 20:21**

Yea I wondered why I put Sturm immediately after...

What does his lack of world class-ness tell us about Oscar?

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 20:25**

Well to be fair, and I have possibly been Joe HARSHEST critic.... you can hardly call Kessler and Hopkins cruise and collect fight. Jones yes... but you make it sound like he has been in cruise and collect mode for a long time since Lacy.

It his next fight, and he hasn't fought it yet. You say he is looking to get big money easy wins.... thats probably true, but lets so who they have lined up next (if they do) after Jones.

I think after Kessler and Hopkins Joe is maybe entitled to an easy one... just a shame he did waste most of his earlier career.

Posted: **19 Jul 2008, 21:39**

Gray-Fox wrote:Yea I wondered why I put Sturm immediately after...

What does his lack of world class-ness tell us about Oscar?

That Oscar is too small for Middleweight?

Posted: **20 Jul 2008, 04:11**

Calzaghe has already stated he's not giving up his WBO 168 belt and its clearly with a view to facing Pavlik at that weight. So he's taking Jones in a fight he's wanted for years, for excellent money! Before taking on the latest flavour of the month puncher, providing Kelly gets past Hopkins. Pavlik also has the chance to make a fight against Joe even bigger if he can beat Hopkins impressively.

So i fail to see what Calzaghe's supposed to be doing thats so shameful?

Posted: **20 Jul 2008, 04:38**

Ant Evans wrote:
Maelstrom wrote:Whilst I am here, can I please also point out the obvious.

Hopkins has less options about who he fights. He lost his last fight. Calzaghe didn't.
I've thought for many years that Hopkins was pick-pocketing his way through fights, and if you check old BM and SecondsOut articles you'll find the proof. He fought like a woman in the fight with Joe, but Joe was exposed as a one-trick pony, too, as he had no clue as to how to go about catching the running grandad. As pointed out above, Joe got his nose broke, dropped and embarrassed whenever Hopkins wanted to fight (which wasn't often, I know).

My beef with Calzaghe right now is that he's chosen to fight a fighter in Roy Jones who he'd previously dismissed as "old", "shot" and "a has-been". He does this rather than face Pavlik - who is the very definition of the kind of fighter Joes has spent 11 YEARS moaning that they are avoiding him. In other words, Joe C has bitiched for years about the exact thing he is now doing himself!

Surely this is isn't a subtle point I am making? In short, I've gone off Calzaghe because he's a hypocrite. And don't even get me started on that bollocks about fighting in New York because it is "better value for loyal fans".

Ant, did you see a thread on this started by G0mez a couple of weeks ago? He brought up most of the hypocrite points.

There has ben the new twist on this i.e. keeping the WBO title in case he wants to fight Pavlik later.

Obviously, Joe never let bullshit get in the way of a good fight & now he's partly responsible for the potentially horrible Pavlik-Hopkins fight.

I do think Hopkins will likely disgrace himself - again though. If he did his best to spoil vs mid 30 somethings Wright and Calzaghe, what will he be like vs a power puncher like Pavlik, in the prime of his life.

Posted: **20 Jul 2008, 07:50**

Calzaghe is indeed a talented Champion, indeed a good Boxer. But a shame what he has done with his career.

Will always remain as one of those boxers who "Could have been".

There is a reason why Hopkins, RJJ, Tarver, Winky etc. are legends. Just look at their Career fights. Compare them to Calzaghe's fights.

You will struggle to find world-class opponents in Calzaghes career. Only a 43 year old Hopkins, Fringe-World-Class Kessler, Shot Eubank, now a passed it washed up champion RJJ will be added to that list.

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