BoxRec

Here it is again:

overhand_right wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Typical of Britain today that the post showing that knife crime has fallen and you are all a bunch of morons was ignored


Knife crime is the new black (Or blacks, ho ho ho!)

If you believe the governments carefully manipulated and selective figures.

The figures do not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s.

The police refute the governments figures, and in fact the police figures showed violent crime up nearly 80 per cent since Labour came to power.

Oh go and read the Daily Mail, ffs


You lot sound just like my demented grandmother

If you're so wound up about it, go and have a wank

Intelligent response.

I agree with the theory that their are many more irresponsible parents to do than ever. Schools aren't allowed to give moral direction. The role models are 50cents. The idea of success is money, women and a violent reputation. Is it any suprise many children don't know about the difference between right and wrong?

This has all partly come from the top with Margaret Thatcher and 'society is dead' comment and the capitalist individual above cummunity ideology. The modern 'gangsta' lifestyle is applying these indivualistic capitalistic fornicate thy neighbour mentality to the N'th degree and materialism and image is today's church

Not enough constructive things for young lads to be doing or to believe in and that chasm is being filled with 'gangsta image' as if its something to be proud of. Give them a clip round the ear and send them down to Ingles gym and give us a new generation of boxers to be proud of. Not necessarily that but anything where young people can see a clear future and gives them order and ethics in their lives. More aprenterships and education that actually leads to real jobs.

Having said all that I think society as a whole and people generally inately are good

Mensa07 wrote:first finding from the guardian:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2008/0 ... out_k.html

"But the BCS has been recording violent incidents involving knives for years. In 2007-08 the number of such incidents was just under 130,000 a year.

That is 25% down on last year, when the figure stood just shy of 173,000, and well under half the 1995 peak of 340,000. The caveat is that the BCS does not include under-16s, a significant omission which the government is considering amending."

Intersting read, but the figures from the BSC and figures from the hospitals reporting stabbing injuries appear to contradict each other.

The comments after the article are even more interesting - Never heard of the BSC before, I didnt know, but it's little more than a survey!

Like some have said it's all blown out of proportion to sell newspapers, I regularly travel to Liverpool and Preston for work purposes and I can count on one hand how many times I've been threatened with a weapon(and given my line of work that is a suprisingly low number).

Take a good look at where these crimes are mainly taking place and also the "victims" aren't always the innocent little angels that relatives and the sensationalist media portrays them as either.

I also agree that kids are treated too softly these days, the whacks around the earhole I received as a child coupled with 5 years in the Paras is probably the reason why I'm not stealing cars or mugging people.

Send the little bastards to Afghanistan instead of our proper soldiers and hopefully they won't come back.

while its still a hot topic why don't they announce a national knife amnesty??

I was on a train to croydon once and some white kid got on who'd been having a rumble on the platform with some black kid, who stayed where he was. The kid who got on the train pulls this big kitchen knife out of his trackies and starts stomping up and down the carriage shouting (racist) and stabbing his knife into the headrests of the empty seats. I just sat there thinking F*CK 'don't make eye contact, dont make eye contact..'. f*cking scary, its not till your that close to someone with a blade out you realise how much damage it could do to you.

overhand_right wrote:Here it is again:

overhand_right wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:Typical of Britain today that the post showing that knife crime has fallen and you are all a bunch of morons was ignored


Knife crime is the new black (Or blacks, ho ho ho!)

If you believe the governments carefully manipulated and selective figures.

The figures do not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s.

The police refute the governments figures, and in fact the police figures showed violent crime up nearly 80 per cent since Labour came to power.

Thats proof is it?


What an utterly dreadful, misinformed topic

What's the point of a knife amnesty when you can just buy them from a shop? Absolute waste of time.

Kilburn wrote:What's the point of a knife amnesty when you can just buy them from a shop? Absolute waste of time.

disagree, IMO a quick hit of say 100k knives being taken off the streets, out of kids hands, would be a positive thing. Yes they can be bought from shops, but taking them out of their immediate reach is adding another layer (ie, the buying of a new knife) between say a kid losing a playground scrap and the other kid getting stabbed in revenge.
Besides, no-ones asking you to do anything, or for any money from you. What harm could it do to take a sh*tload of knives off the streets?

Mensa07 wrote:

Kilburn wrote:What's the point of a knife amnesty when you can just buy them from a shop? Absolute waste of time.

disagree, IMO a quick hit of say 100k knives being taken off the streets, out of kids hands, would be a positive thing. Yes they can be bought from shops, but taking them out of their immediate reach is adding another layer (ie, the buying of a new knife) between say a kid losing a playground scrap and the other kid getting stabbed in revenge.
Besides, no-ones asking you to do anything, or for any money from you. What harm could it do to take a sh*tload of knives off the streets?

It might not do any harm, but I don't see what good it does. I can't imagine that the ones who are handing the knives in are the potentially violent youths, suddenly feeling compelled to take part in a police initiative to make the streets safer. The really dangerous ones aren't going to give a flying fook about that.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Thats proof is it?


What an utterly dreadful, misinformed topic

YOU know more than the police??

Hahahaha

Kilburn wrote:

Mensa07 wrote:

Kilburn wrote:What's the point of a knife amnesty when you can just buy them from a shop? Absolute waste of time.

disagree, IMO a quick hit of say 100k knives being taken off the streets, out of kids hands, would be a positive thing. Yes they can be bought from shops, but taking them out of their immediate reach is adding another layer (ie, the buying of a new knife) between say a kid losing a playground scrap and the other kid getting stabbed in revenge.
Besides, no-ones asking you to do anything, or for any money from you. What harm could it do to take a sh*tload of knives off the streets?

It might not do any harm, but I don't see what good it does. I can't imagine that the ones who are handing the knives in are the potentially violent youths, suddenly feeling compelled to take part in a police initiative to make the streets safer. The really dangerous ones aren't going to give a flying fook about that.

everyone's potentially violent. I guess thats my point, reduce the risk, better they be potentially violent without a bowie knife to hand than with one. I agree though the really dangerous, thug types aren't going to give a f*ck.

overhand_right wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Thats proof is it?


What an utterly dreadful, misinformed topic

YOU know more than the police??

Hahahaha

No, but where are these figures you speak of?

No disrespect but you must all be pretty far removed from this, Knife crime has been going on for as long as I can remember it is just being more heavily reported.....

Yes more people may be carrying them but half of them either have no intention of using them or just plain wouldn't...More of a deterrent against being attacked etc...

However you still have as you always have had a large amount of people willing to stab someone "willy nilly".

It won't be stopped and will alway's be around maybe more prevalently in area's of poverty but it is more or less everywhere.

Lack of police manpower etc to combat it mean's that people/kid's can carry knive's with little worry of repercussions.

Also gun's are so easy to come by in the UK especially London/Nottingham etc it's unreal!!


HH

Agree HH, someone gunned down in London gets no press at the moment as they are all riding the knife bandwagon. In a few months they will have all moved on to something else, maybe back to puedos and we'll all be told they're everywhere, maybe living next door!! Anyway back to subject i'm not convinced that the majority of kids are bad, just the same amount as ever was.

And nobody should be carrying a knife, but I remember going out with a flick knife out of fear. The statistics are there to shock people and it looks as though they are working.

I don't think many people believe knife crime is is a new phenomenon, we're just sick of hearing about it.

I just don't get the soft sentences. They've got to be locking people up for longer. Make an example of people. Prisons are full? Build/convert some frigging more!

How often do you see a former convict talking about his time in prison with wry smile, a sense of pride, like the rest of us are supposed to be somehow in awe of his life experience. How often do you meet people who try to exaggerate what they've done, to what extremes they've been to, who will tell you that off the back of all their experiences nothing in the outside world could phase them. I suppose it's a natural trait for human beings to talk bullshit and big themselves up, but it would be nice to see a bit more remorse and regret once in while from individuals getting out of prison.

Hardhitters11 wrote:No disrespect but you must all be pretty far removed from this, Knife crime has been going on for as long as I can remember it is just being more heavily reported.....

Stabbings and knife murders are up massively in the last 5 years and there are plenty that go unreported, it might have gone on forever BUT the amount going on is much higher than ever too

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Hardhitters11 wrote:No disrespect but you must all be pretty far removed from this, Knife crime has been going on for as long as I can remember it is just being more heavily reported.....

Stabbings and knife murders are up massively in the last 5 years and there are plenty that go unreported, it might have gone on forever BUT the amount going on is much higher than ever too

Totally agree. How are we far removed from arguably the most topical issue facing people on our streets today?

Knife crime is way up. Kids weren't carrying knives in schools 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago. There may have been the odd one but now there are many. It's a real issue.

It is being heavily reported but that's because more and more people are being attacked with knives on our streets. Simple.

Open your fornicating eyes.

Like most issues, the causes are invariably complex and multi faceted and therefore there is unlikely to be a simple solution.

I would suggest the following as possible causes of a rise in knife crime (if the data shows there actually is such a rise)

- Family and community breakdown
- Gangsta rap culture
- Loss of a moral code (I don't agree with organized religion. and would not encopurage it but it does provide a moral code)
- Poverty
- Lack of opportunity / direction / activities for youth
- Overcrowding in cities (lack of space has been shown to cause aggression in tests on Lab rats)

Prob many more to add....Solutions? F--k knows

But then someone answered the question of why are there more stabbings with guns not being available. They are. Kids are still being shot. Kids still went missing before Maddie and are still going missing now. Just wait for the next big thing.

I bet you in a years time nobody will be talking about knives and stabbings, and I left school 10 years ago and some kids were carrying knives, bus hammers etc

Fair points, I look out of the window now and there is scum everywhere.

Tattoos, prams, hairsprayed teen slappers and mobility scooters (with 20 year olds on them)....everywhere I look.

Lenny wrote:But then someone answered the question of why are there more stabbings with guns not being available. They are. Kids are still being shot. Kids still went missing before Maddie and are still going missing now. Just wait for the next big thing.

I bet you in a years time nobody will be talking about knives and stabbings, and I left school 10 years ago and some kids were carrying knives, bus hammers etc

Were they not just in CDT and arts and crafts?

That's bad news mate

I think its a topic of interest, some very good points made. Ive been ivolved with Kids most of my life, and as someone mentioned they are impressionable. Interesting fact in 1971 there were 120,000 regestered Amatuer Boxers in the Uk. Now there are 9,000, makes you think, I know the Police are Backing Boxing like never before.

Simple really, a lack of discipline and a complete lack of respect for anything.

Bad parenting is the biggest cause for concern, but I don't really see what the solution is when the parents are often as bad as the kids themselves.