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calmac66 wrote:

adamheight wrote:mundine fell like a effing tree....delayed reaction too

I can't wait for the YouTube clip of this!

I hope it gets up soon

Here you go mate:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... public_rss

I gotta say I give Mundine respect for getting back up from that, that's what makes me sad about Mundine, he has all the tools to be a great but for whatever reason REFUSES to step up his game. Also, according to the article he was a 2 time WA Champion. WA?

Thanks mate

That is one of the funniest knockdowns I have ever seen

I really wish Kim followed up though...

Yet one of the ring officials gave Daman 99 points, which assumes he must have been asleep when the knockdown occurred!

Daman won well but was bloodied in turn, and Crazy proved to have the heart of a samurai and a chin as tough as the climb to the top of Mount Fuji.

Maybe Crazy was tough as teak and absorbed Daman's best shots, but the question is whether Daman can still maintain his punching power down at middleweight level against the top level fighters without sacrificing his ring speed.

Beltane wrote:Yet one of the ring officials gave Daman 99 points, which assumes he must have been asleep when the knockdown occurred!

Daman won well but was bloodied in turn, and Crazy proved to have the heart of a samurai and a chin as tough as the climb to the top of Mount Fuji.

Maybe Crazy was tough as teak and absorbed Daman's best shots, but the question is whether Daman can still maintain his punching power down at middleweight level against the top level fighters without sacrificing his ring speed.

lets hope he can it would be good to see another aussie world champion - but mundine a three-time champion?

I won't consider him a real champion untill he actually beats a champion.

Mundine is a no time champion, he has never held a full title, not even an interim title only ever the WBA second best in the organisation title... so he has never even been considered the best in his chosen organisation let alone the world.

Marlin wrote:Mundine is a no time champion, he has never held a full title, not even an interim title only ever the WBA second best in the organisation title... so he has never even been considered the best in his chosen organisation let alone the world.

he held the full title when he beat echols the one he lost to siaca

p4p1 wrote:

Marlin wrote:Mundine is a no time champion, he has never held a full title, not even an interim title only ever the WBA second best in the organisation title... so he has never even been considered the best in his chosen organisation let alone the world.

he held the full title when he beat echols the one he lost to siaca

Nope, Sven Ottke was the WBA Champion and they moved him up to Super Champion, that's when the WBA regular Title thing started happening. Mundine won that...

Marlin wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

Marlin wrote:Mundine is a no time champion, he has never held a full title, not even an interim title only ever the WBA second best in the organisation title... so he has never even been considered the best in his chosen organisation let alone the world.

he held the full title when he beat echols the one he lost to siaca

Nope, Sven Ottke was the WBA Champion and they moved him up to Super Champion, that's when the WBA regular Title thing started happening. Mundine won that...

wasnt mundine champion whne ottke retired? full champion by default?

Nope, Mundine lost to Siaca before that could happen...

[quote="Beltane"]Yet one of the ring officials gave Daman 99 points, which assumes he must have been asleep when the knockdown occurred!

yeah, i'm with you beltane on the 10-8 round but this was brought to attention once onESPN fights with Teddy Atlas when a disreprancy occurred on a card they were covering. he went opn to say that some judges will still score an even round (9-9?) if there is the event of a flash knockdown yet the fallen fighter comes back and dominates the rest of the round. i always believed in automatic 10-8 round. maybe Ben k can clarify??

i think it really depends on the judge its up to there discretion

yeah definitely i agree mark, but i suppose what it does is leads to what we are talking about , punters thinking that the judge is incompetent or corrupt.

I spoke to npal about this a while ago... If a judge believes the fighter who got knocked down still won the round he can give it 9-9.

unleash06 wrote:yeah definitely i agree mark, but i suppose what it does is leads to what we are talking about , punters thinking that the judge is incompetent or corrupt.

so if it was a 10-9 round does that must mean the judge thought it was an even round?

unleash06 wrote:

Beltane wrote:Yet one of the ring officials gave Daman 99 points, which assumes he must have been asleep when the knockdown occurred!

yeah, i'm with you beltane on the 10-8 round but this was brought to attention once onESPN fights with Teddy Atlas when a disreprancy occurred on a card they were covering. he went opn to say that some judges will still score an even round (9-9?) if there is the event of a flash knockdown yet the fallen fighter comes back and dominates the rest of the round. i always believed in automatic 10-8 round. maybe Ben k can clarify??

this is why we sometimes see the 10 point must system...but this knockdown was no flash knockdown, mundine recovered very quick but it wasnt a flash knockdown..a flash knockdown would be like calzaghe against hopkins

adamheight wrote:

unleash06 wrote:

Beltane wrote:Yet one of the ring officials gave Daman 99 points, which assumes he must have been asleep when the knockdown occurred!

yeah, i'm with you beltane on the 10-8 round but this was brought to attention once onESPN fights with Teddy Atlas when a disreprancy occurred on a card they were covering. he went opn to say that some judges will still score an even round (9-9?) if there is the event of a flash knockdown yet the fallen fighter comes back and dominates the rest of the round. i always believed in automatic 10-8 round. maybe Ben k can clarify??

this is why we sometimes see the 10 point must system...but this knockdown was no flash knockdown, mundine recovered very quick but it wasnt a flash knockdown..a flash knockdown would be like calzaghe against hopkins

I agree, Mundine did hit the floor hard but got up to finish the round very well, Sugar Shane was impress with this and Kims iron jaw aswell.

Marlin wrote:I spoke to npal about this a while ago... If a judge believes the fighter who got knocked down still won the round he can give it 9-9.

Only if there was a point deduction (as in a foul). Sorry, I've been out of town. I don't know what happened in this fight. What happened?

npal wrote:

Marlin wrote:I spoke to npal about this a while ago... If a judge believes the fighter who got knocked down still won the round he can give it 9-9.

Only if there was a point deduction (as in a foul). Sorry, I've been out of town. I don't know what happened in this fight. What happened?

In Australia its a 10 point must system, So in the case of one guy getting knocked down but winning the round it would be a 10-10 round not 9-9. Someone has to get 10 points every round.

Sorry, my mistake, my comment related to after the Marquez Barrera bout...

npal wrote:

Marlin wrote:I spoke to npal about this a while ago... If a judge believes the fighter who got knocked down still won the round he can give it 9-9.

Only if there was a point deduction (as in a foul). Sorry, I've been out of town. I don't know what happened in this fight. What happened?

mundine got dropped hard but other than that he may have done enough to win the round.

adamheight wrote:

npal wrote:

Marlin wrote:I spoke to npal about this a while ago... If a judge believes the fighter who got knocked down still won the round he can give it 9-9.

Only if there was a point deduction (as in a foul). Sorry, I've been out of town. I don't know what happened in this fight. What happened?

mundine got dropped hard but other than that he may have done enough to win the round.

That round would be a 10-9 for Crazy Kim if you did in fact feel that Mundine did enough to win the round. The first knockdown is essentially worth 2 points regardless of what is happening (though in the end, it won't actually be worth 2). The knockdown will take precedence as though that fighter was also winning the round. So 10-8 for Kim. If Kim wins the round, it remains a 10-8 but if Mundine wins the round, and it sounds like he did, you give Mundine 1 point back making it 10-9 Kim. The only way for Mundine to negate that knockdown ("erase" if you will), is to score a knockdown of his own. Scoring a knockdown is like finding gold.