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Carlos-Wigan wrote:Call me a marxist if you want but it is the states job (especially one as wealthy as ours) to provide affordable gas, water and electricity to the people. Why on earth should the supply of electrcity and gas to the nation be run on a profit margin? How ridiculous! Especially when old people are dying because they can't afford to pay the gas bill!

It happens in other parts of the world. Why can the South Korean goverment (for example) run a clean, inexpensive, efficient, safe metro system when the British can't - it cost me 2 quid to get from my suburb to the centre of Seoul - about 90 minutes travelling time - how much do you think that would cost in the UK?

Next it will be the health system and people will be saying 'under the commies the NHS was losing money - now under the Tories/BNP it is making a PROFIT' and the shareholders can clink their champagne glasses in toast as they make more money as more people die because they can't afford to go to hospital.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:There's another factor at work here.

The unit cost of Gas is also being driven up, because people are becoming more careful about energy use, and therefore people are using les gas, less electricity.

In order to maintain their vast profits, they therefore drive up the unit price to maintain equilibrium. The government know this full well and the

My last gas bill was absolutely huge, 247 quid for a single quarter! I live in a one bedroom flat, and haven't had the heating on once since March! Absolutely effing disgusting.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:There's another factor at work here.

The unit cost of Gas is also being driven up, because people are becoming more careful about energy use, and therefore people are using les gas, less electricity.

In order to maintain their vast profits, they therefore drive up the unit price to maintain equilibrium. The government know this full well and the

My last gas bill was absolutely huge, 247 quid for a single quarter! I live in a one bedroom flat, and haven't had the heating on once since March! Absolutely effing disgusting.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:Call me a marxist if you want but it is the states job (especially one as wealthy as ours) to provide affordable gas, water and electricity to the people. Why on earth should the supply of electrcity and gas to the nation be run on a profit margin? How ridiculous! Especially when old people are dying because they can't afford to pay the gas bill!

It happens in other parts of the world. Why can the South Korean goverment (for example) run a clean, inexpensive, efficient, safe metro system when the British can't - it cost me 2 quid to get from my suburb to the centre of Seoul - about 90 minutes travelling time - how much do you think that would cost in the UK?

Next it will be the health system and people will be saying 'under the commies the NHS was losing money - now under the Tories/BNP it is making a PROFIT' and the shareholders can clink their champagne glasses in toast as they make more money as more people die because they can't afford to go to hospital.

The problem with your idea is that people essentially don't want communism; or at least rich people don't, and therin lies the problem.

Water, housing, gas, electricity, all of these things should be provied without a profit, but we would all live in a very different world if that were the case.

The companies who provide gas and electricity, would also argue that without them the infrastructure for delivery would not exist, much like B.T, who STILL have a monopoly, owning all of the copper cabling which still underpins most of our telecoms system.

The government is merely paying lipservice to the problem with talk of a windfall tax, they couldn't give a toss how much British Gas makes in profit, they are just trying to placate the angry electorate.

The tories will make profit from more bad news for labour, but they are even worse when it comes to assisting big business in making vast profits, so they can go eff themselves.

The sad truth is, that the economy now runs the country, big business is the real power, and governments merely act as bean counters and are forced to kow-tow to the almighty mammon. No government can afford to piss off big multinational corporations in this day and age.

josh fg wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

twenty six wrote: However can someone please explain to me what the difference is between a Conservative and a Labour Politician now ?

The colour of their ties

erm, working families tax credits, minimum wage, unprecedented public sector pay increase, greatest investment in the NHS ever! Just a few little ones for you... Where as the Tories would bring in the policies which punish women for being single mothers among other terrible ideas.

josh fg wrote:erm, working families tax credits, minimum wage, unprecedented public sector pay increase, greatest investment in the NHS ever! Just a few little ones for you... Where as the Tories would bring in the policies which punish women for being single mothers among other terrible ideas.

banjo wrote:

josh fg wrote:erm, working families tax credits, minimum wage, unprecedented public sector pay increase, greatest investment in the NHS ever! Just a few little ones for you... Where as the Tories would bring in the policies which punish women for being single mothers among other terrible ideas.

At least the Tories never sent me to fight in illegal wars even though when I signed up in Feb 01 they told me I'd be defending the sovereignty of the United Kingdom(Afghanistan and Iraq have never been a threat), let thousands of unskilled immigrants come over, also where are these tax credits you speak of? I haven't received any and I want some tax credits and I also want a referendum

lowersmiths wrote:no council tax, electricity five quid a month, rubbish collected every DAY, traffic offence - four quid on the spot and no points.

lowersmiths wrote:Dave, you lead us off .... all together now....

I was a miner
I was a docker
I was a railway man
Between the wars
I raised a family
In times of austerity
With sweat at the foundry
Between the wars.
I paid the union and as times got harder
I looked to the government to help the working man
And they brought prosperity down at the armoury
We're arming for peace, me boys
Between the wars.
I kept the faith and I kept voting
Not for the iron fist but for the helping hand
For theirs is a land with a wall around it
And mine is a faith in my fellow man
Theirs is a land of hope and glory
Mine is the green field and the factory floor
Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers
And mine is the peace we knew
Between the wars.
Call up the craftsmen
Bring me the draftsmen
Build me a path from cradle to grave
And I'll give my consent
To any government
That does not deny a man a living wage.
Go find the young men never to fight again
Bring up the banners from the days gone by
Sweet moderation
Heart of this nation
Desert us not, we are
Between the wars.

funso banjo baby wrote:things like the coal mining industry went to the wall because supposedly they couldnt compete

however....

when banks start to go to the wall...watch the britsih and american govs bail them out ....hows that fair

J wrote:who gives a f*ck i live in barbados

in serioussness the mess the country is in right now and I dont blame red or blue its a combination of whats gone on before and present ineptitude, was a major factor in me wanting to go overseas.

Basically you reap what you sow and right now the UK is in right state of affairs. I have no clue what the answer is and for now (and I knwo this is short sighted and selfish) I dont care. I wanted out of the poxy place at least for a break.

Though I know I shall always return home, just probably not to London, not greater London at least.

But by then I'll have enough cash to pick and choose where my family and I can live safely and happily. Im not sure you can do that in the majority of Britain right now.

If anyone thinks thats extremlly captialist and elitist, I dont give a shit. You have to look after your nearest and dearest first.

twenty six wrote:I grew up in a working class community in Sheffield.
My father worked gruelling shifts all his life, and my grandfather before him.
I would have been slaughtered literally if I had ever mentioned the words Tory or Conservative within ear shot of either of these proud men.
However can someone please explain to me what the difference is between a Conservative and a Labour Politician now ?

HughJohnson wrote:

J wrote:who gives a f*ck i live in barbados

in serioussness the mess the country is in right now and I dont blame red or blue its a combination of whats gone on before and present ineptitude, was a major factor in me wanting to go overseas.

Basically you reap what you sow and right now the UK is in right state of affairs. I have no clue what the answer is and for now (and I knwo this is short sighted and selfish) I dont care. I wanted out of the poxy place at least for a break.

Though I know I shall always return home, just probably not to London, not greater London at least.

But by then I'll have enough cash to pick and choose where my family and I can live safely and happily. Im not sure you can do that in the majority of Britain right now.

If anyone thinks thats extremlly captialist and elitist, I dont give a shit. You have to look after your nearest and dearest first.

Hello J, hows Barbados, can you get some top weed???. I dont blame you for bettering yourself, but the last sentence you type`d is the entire reason this country and many others shall go down the pan, because people are thinking of themselves rather than the bigger picture, line your own and f*uck the rest, seems to be the thing to do......remember J , im not having a go directly at you....

J wrote:

HughJohnson wrote:

J wrote:who gives a f*ck i live in barbados

in serioussness the mess the country is in right now and I dont blame red or blue its a combination of whats gone on before and present ineptitude, was a major factor in me wanting to go overseas.

Basically you reap what you sow and right now the UK is in right state of affairs. I have no clue what the answer is and for now (and I knwo this is short sighted and selfish) I dont care. I wanted out of the poxy place at least for a break.

Though I know I shall always return home, just probably not to London, not greater London at least.

But by then I'll have enough cash to pick and choose where my family and I can live safely and happily. Im not sure you can do that in the majority of Britain right now.

If anyone thinks thats extremlly captialist and elitist, I dont give a shit. You have to look after your nearest and dearest first.

Hello J, hows Barbados, can you get some top weed???. I dont blame you for bettering yourself, but the last sentence you type`d is the entire reason this country and many others shall go down the pan, because people are thinking of themselves rather than the bigger picture, line your own and f*uck the rest, seems to be the thing to do......remember J , im not having a go directly at you....

nah dont touch the stuff.....allegedly.

yeah I know and you do have a valid point but Ive lived in the uk and for the past 20 years as a fully paid up tax payer and have contributed more than most towards the upkeep of oor great nation in montary terms, never been unemployed adn get raped by the government more each year, my question what have the politicians done with that cash, squandered it for jobs for the boys, paid tossers like Livingstone millions to line their own pockets despite their own condemnations of such practices....

Nah mate they have had their chance, they wont look after ya, if you dont look after yourself and loved ones first and foremost no fecker else will. The mantra that we should all care equal amounts about each other and our society is a nice one, but as communisim proved, it just doesnt work.

keep it real fella and no offence meant or taken just interesting chat