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JSA wrote:YES I do get frustrated at times.Try to keep to myself.Think it was soliman/mundine 2 and was watching at big ppub with big crowd when some grossly overweight and ignorant tosser started mouthing off racist shite about mundine.for some reason he decided i was his ally and felt the same about aborigines until after a period of time of ignoring him i got really angry and told the goose to shut his f***ing hole or i would. think it was his comment that he could beat mundine in a fight.now even though i am no mundine fan anymore this tool could not land a punch on a dead cow.dont like to lose it but this guy really got me pissed off. and considering i am a joke of a male specimen this wanker wouldnt even go me.find the racist bollox u get with pissed yobbos hard to take.

My blood boils when Mundine fights, for all the racism he has to contend with. Its a joke.

But you have to respect the guy. If you have been to one of his fights you know what im talking about. People scream out racist aboriginal remarks all the time. And he continues to perform. Hes very mentally tough.

I just hope he gets Abraham next, because its a fight he can definetely win. And it will silence everyone. Absolutely everyone.

I dont usaully go to watch boxing at the pub unless a few mates are going. My local is alright but there are to many dickheads( boxing experts) there and without a doubt i will end up telling someone to shut there mouth.

Unless of course im drunk then i will be the one giving them the shits

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:

JSA wrote:YES I do get frustrated at times.Try to keep to myself.Think it was soliman/mundine 2 and was watching at big ppub with big crowd when some grossly overweight and ignorant tosser started mouthing off racist shite about mundine.for some reason he decided i was his ally and felt the same about aborigines until after a period of time of ignoring him i got really angry and told the goose to shut his f***ing hole or i would. think it was his comment that he could beat mundine in a fight.now even though i am no mundine fan anymore this tool could not land a punch on a dead cow.dont like to lose it but this guy really got me pissed off. and considering i am a joke of a male specimen this wanker wouldnt even go me.find the racist bollox u get with pissed yobbos hard to take.

My blood boils when Mundine fights, for all the racism he has to contend with. Its a joke.

But you have to respect the guy. If you have been to one of his fights you know what im talking about. People scream out racist aboriginal remarks all the time. And he continues to perform. Hes very mentally tough.

I just hope he gets Abraham next, because its a fight he can definetely win. And it will silence everyone. Absolutely everyone.

IF IF IF

If he isnt bullshitting as usual If he can actually make Middle If he hasnt already lined up the 10th ranked Argintinian or Jap

Being called a d*ckhead and w*nker isn't racist, we don't hate him because he is aboriginal, it's because he is an absolute tool.

Marlin wrote:Being called a d*ckhead and w*nker isn't racist, we don't hate him because he is aboriginal, it's because he is an absolute tool.

Anyone who gets into the ring is oright with me.

And please go to Mundines next fight. People scream out racist things every single second of every round. The Green fight was a disgrace. I was embarassed that people can steep to such lows. Half the crowd was chanting them, and singing them together.

"I'm not racist, I just hate f'kin Abbos" is the Aussie slogan.

sad to say but for many it is.many-but not all.

Mundine's an aboriginal???????

I hadn't noticed. He's never mentioned it.



Seriously though, the crowd I was in at the Green-Mundine fight there were a few racist remarks thrown around (but it was too packed to even consider wanting to punch one of them, let alone do it, haha). But what was worse and funny at the same time, was the drunk Aboriginals there after the fight - did they brag and pay out all the Green fans/white people badly? Yes they did(although some deserved it).

I got the shits with a bloke at the pub in Mudgee once during the first Mundine v Soliman fight. He had a notepad and pen and was counting the punches thrown. Kept going on every round about how easily Soliman was winning the fight. I kept telling him throwing a thousand punches a round doesn't win you the fight if they don't land. Kept telling him to put his notepad away and just watch the bloody fight. He was flabbergasted when I told him after the last round that I had Mundine by a point..... He didn't think Mundine had won a round, he cried blue murder when Choc got the decision.

It was a close fight and I can understand how some people might have had Soliman winning the fight, but this guy just had no clue.

Mind you I live in WA now and it was great going to the pub to see the Mundine v Green fight and being the only person cheering for Mundine.

Funniest thing I've ever seen in a pub when watching boxing was in a Darwin when Mundine beat Echols, the pub just started an impromptu national anthem to celebrate......

madball1982 wrote:Mundine's an aboriginal???????

I hadn't noticed. He's never mentioned it.



Seriously though, the crowd I was in at the Green-Mundine fight there were a few racist remarks thrown around (but it was too packed to even consider wanting to punch one of them, let alone do it, haha). But what was worse and funny at the same time, was the drunk Aboriginals there after the fight - did they brag and pay out all the Green fans/white people badly? Yes they did(although some deserved it).

as a non aussie i believe i have the right to make this opinion:

australia does have a racism problem - REVERSE racism problem....i personally feel that indigineous australians bring race into situations where race isnt even an issue. mundine himself is very guilty of that.

i was walking thru a park in sydney once...he one opposite central station and was abused (verbally) by about a dozen aboriginals dinking whisky. i was called a white c*nt etc etc and was advised to leave the park or get seriously hurt.

on a day to day basis i see the aboriginal people being offered a lot of support and chances to better themselves but they continue to relish in their role as the victim.

i was at the mudnine green fight and saw nothing untoward being said about mundine....and in fact i also saw a lot of white folks asking lionel rose for his autograph and listening to his stories.

i know this prolly isnt the place to vent these opinions but i just feel aboriginals should stop playing the victim and bringing race into things all the time....

mundine isnt disliked because of his ethnicity, hes disliked because of his arrogance and his blatant hatred toward white people.

Well said adam

yeah all the boxing "experts" come out on fight nights at my local. i find it more amusing than fustrating

its exhausting going to a pub and listening to drunken idiots talk about boxing...various conversations take place such as "danny green is the best boxer adelaide has ever produced"....and "costa de la hoya is the all time best".....its reasons like these that i can just not bring myself to go and watch boxing pubs.

plus i feel like an idiot with my pencil and paper scoring each round.

saying that...i watched hatton mayweather in the pig and whistle outdoor bar in the queen st mall cental brisbane, i kid u not there were literally hundreds there watching that.

adamheight wrote:its exhausting going to a pub and listening to drunken idiots talk about boxing...various conversations take place such as "danny green is the best boxer adelaide has ever produced"....and "costa de la hoya is the all time best".....its reasons like these that i can just not bring myself to go and watch boxing pubs.

plus i feel like an idiot with my pencil and paper scoring each round.

saying that...i watched hatton mayweather in the pig and whistle outdoor bar in the queen st mall cental brisbane, i kid u not there were literally hundreds there watching that.

Good to know im not the only 1.

adamheight wrote:

madball1982 wrote:Mundine's an aboriginal???????

I hadn't noticed. He's never mentioned it.



Seriously though, the crowd I was in at the Green-Mundine fight there were a few racist remarks thrown around (but it was too packed to even consider wanting to punch one of them, let alone do it, haha). But what was worse and funny at the same time, was the drunk Aboriginals there after the fight - did they brag and pay out all the Green fans/white people badly? Yes they did(although some deserved it).

as a non aussie i believe i have the right to make this opinion:

australia does have a racism problem - REVERSE racism problem....i personally feel that indigineous australians bring race into situations where race isnt even an issue. mundine himself is very guilty of that.

i was walking thru a park in sydney once...he one opposite central station and was abused (verbally) by about a dozen aboriginals dinking whisky. i was called a white c*nt etc etc and was advised to leave the park or get seriously hurt.

on a day to day basis i see the aboriginal people being offered a lot of support and chances to better themselves but they continue to relish in their role as the victim.

i was at the mudnine green fight and saw nothing untoward being said about mundine....and in fact i also saw a lot of white folks asking lionel rose for his autograph and listening to his stories.

i know this prolly isnt the place to vent these opinions but i just feel aboriginals should stop playing the victim and bringing race into things all the time....

mundine isnt disliked because of his ethnicity, hes disliked because of his arrogance and his blatant hatred toward white people.

Have to agree with you, alot of reverse racism.

I was watching the fight with a few aquantences from work, some black, some white, i was asked my thoughts on the fight, with everyone there knowing i'm a massive Green fan, and to my surprise the rebutal to my thoughts were, NEVER BET ON A WHITE GUY WHEN HE IS FIGHTING A BLACK GUY BECAUSE YOU WILL ALWAYS LOOSE.

Man was i pissed at this comment and several others from later on in the night.

Mundine Is racist, however i'm not sure if it's colour or Religious racism.

Hounddog wrote:

adamheight wrote:

madball1982 wrote:Mundine's an aboriginal???????

I hadn't noticed. He's never mentioned it.



Seriously though, the crowd I was in at the Green-Mundine fight there were a few racist remarks thrown around (but it was too packed to even consider wanting to punch one of them, let alone do it, haha). But what was worse and funny at the same time, was the drunk Aboriginals there after the fight - did they brag and pay out all the Green fans/white people badly? Yes they did(although some deserved it).

as a non aussie i believe i have the right to make this opinion:

australia does have a racism problem - REVERSE racism problem....i personally feel that indigineous australians bring race into situations where race isnt even an issue. mundine himself is very guilty of that.

i was walking thru a park in sydney once...he one opposite central station and was abused (verbally) by about a dozen aboriginals dinking whisky. i was called a white c*nt etc etc and was advised to leave the park or get seriously hurt.

on a day to day basis i see the aboriginal people being offered a lot of support and chances to better themselves but they continue to relish in their role as the victim.

i was at the mudnine green fight and saw nothing untoward being said about mundine....and in fact i also saw a lot of white folks asking lionel rose for his autograph and listening to his stories.

i know this prolly isnt the place to vent these opinions but i just feel aboriginals should stop playing the victim and bringing race into things all the time....

mundine isnt disliked because of his ethnicity, hes disliked because of his arrogance and his blatant hatred toward white people.

Have to agree with you, alot of reverse racism.

I was watching the fight with a few aquantences from work, some black, some white, i was asked my thoughts on the fight, with everyone there knowing i'm a massive Green fan, and to my surprise the rebutal to my thoughts were, NEVER BET ON A WHITE GUY WHEN HE IS FIGHTING A BLACK GUY BECAUSE YOU WILL ALWAYS LOOSE.

Man was i pissed at this comment and several others from later on in the night.

Mundine Is racist, however i'm not sure if it's colour or Religious racism.

tell that fool to watch the kessler and ottke fights

Guys lets get serious here. Aboriginals are the victims. I mean sure we said sorry.

But this was there country. There land. We came here, brought the alcohol, the convicts, diseases, and everything spread from there.

Aboriginals had lived in harmony for thousands of years before we got here.

They deserve more respect this is there land. The notion of terra nullius is totally false. And even though the WIK verdict, was over ruled by Howard and his ten point plan in the late 1990's, Aboriginal have been treated so harshly.

Racism still exists. The racism whites suffer from now, is mere a response, and defence action. From the decades of racism suffered by Aboriginals.

I was at the Green fight. You couldn't hear a thing depending on where you were sitting. I managed to sit in the middle of a Green fan base, around 1000 people. Even though im no big Green fan. More of a Mundine fan. And Mundine put up with a lot of shit. He heard it aswell. During the 11th round i think, he looked back at the group and poked his tongue out!

The man doesn't drink, doesn't smoke. He has a top work ethic. And he has achieved more than we would have expected him to achieve.

No matter what happens from now on, hes a legend of Australian sport, and always will be.

It won't be until hes retired, until he gets this recognition.

UB2.

"legend of australian sport"-i totally disagree.An excellent athlete-no question. A legend -no. Has the potential to be in boxing but think that bird has flown.He was a good league player but so flawed defensively that it took away from his many merits offensively.
as a boxer well i think the last 2 years have tarnished what could have been.and being a fighter who depends on his awesome speed age will become his enemy.Especially if he meanders meaninglessly as he has been of late.I also consider him a selfish man professionally(not personally in as far as what he does for charity).He also has NO humility or class.however that could be harsh and perhaps more based on recent antics(though who could forget his crap pree Ottke fight).He seemed respectful to Ellis post their fight.I also saw him at Hookesy funeral in a very respectful mode,albeit like all there sombre and sad frame of mind.
I cant help but think he is an enigma in many ways.perhaps he has multiple personality disorder???
Will he be considered with the likes of Rose/Ella/Cawley etc.Personally I think not.Though he could have been.It disappoints me becuase he has had the potential, given the climate of the country in the last few years, to have been at the forefront of healing,reconcilliation and unification.Instead he has chosen the path of egomania,greed and African-americanism.VOMIT!

In relation to racism in this country.Cant remember the film but a quote from it goes- the skips hate the wogs,the wogs hate the gooks and everyone hates the abos.A generalisation yes but some sad truth to it. The aborigines have always been at the bottom rung of the pecking order in this country.Those without power(and money) will always struggle.
That said the past cannot be changed.The Moari,the north(and south i guess)American indian. All indigenous cultures that suffered BIG time as a result of the invasion of the european with similar results. At some point though the past,while not forgotten,cannot continue to be the blame for the present and future. the aborigianl people have to take responsibitly for their own actions (Noel Pearson) and move forward.
There is reverse racism here as there is reverse sexism.The times we live in.It is hypocritical and vile -racism is racism.Depending where you are in the country racism can be seen and flies any which way.From an anglo perspective there is still deep seated racism towards thhe aborigine most often from the "have nots"(but not always).People who know they are at/near the bottom of the majority of anglo society and need someone to put down to make themselves feel better about themselves-immigrants and the indigenous are the easiest marks.
Jealousy,ignorance,insecurity and blatant stupidity are the pillars of racism.And sadly these things are just part and parcel of the make up most self destructive species to ever infect the earth.While such human flaws exist ,racism will never die.Compounded in these modern times by
celebrity worship,consumerism and the all important $. Like The Specials sang- just because your nobody ,doesnt mean your no good.If more believed that ,the world would be a better place.And yes-I am an idealistic fool.But not a racist one.

JSA wrote:In relation to racism in this country.Cant remember the film but a quote from it goes- the skips hate the wogs,the wogs hate the gooks and everyone hates the abos.A generalisation yes but some sad truth to it. The aborigines have always been at the bottom rung of the pecking order in this country.Those without power(and money) will always struggle.
That said the past cannot be changed.The Moari,the north(and south i guess)American indian. All indigenous cultures that suffered BIG time as a result of the invasion of the european with similar results. At some point though the past,while not forgotten,cannot continue to be the blame for the present and future. the aborigianl people have to take responsibitly for their own actions (Noel Pearson) and move forward.
There is reverse racism here as there is reverse sexism.The times we live in.It is hypocritical and vile -racism is racism.Depending where you are in the country racism can be seen and flies any which way.From an anglo perspective there is still deep seated racism towards thhe aborigine most often from the "have nots"(but not always).People who know they are at/near the bottom of the majority of anglo society and need someone to put down to make themselves feel better about themselves-immigrants and the indigenous are the easiest marks.
Jealousy,ignorance,insecurity and blatant stupidity are the pillars of racism.And sadly these things are just part and parcel of the make up most self destructive species to ever infect the earth.While such human flaws exist ,racism will never die.Compounded in these modern times by
celebrity worship,consumerism and the all important $. Like The Specials sang- just because your nobody ,doesnt mean your no good.If more believed that ,the world would be a better place.And yes-I am an idealistic fool.But not a racist one.

Enjoyed reading this, think you covered everything.

adamheight wrote:

madball1982 wrote:Mundine's an aboriginal???????

I hadn't noticed. He's never mentioned it.



Seriously though, the crowd I was in at the Green-Mundine fight there were a few racist remarks thrown around (but it was too packed to even consider wanting to punch one of them, let alone do it, haha). But what was worse and funny at the same time, was the drunk Aboriginals there after the fight - did they brag and pay out all the Green fans/white people badly? Yes they did(although some deserved it).

as a non aussie i believe i have the right to make this opinion:

australia does have a racism problem - REVERSE racism problem....i personally feel that indigineous australians bring race into situations where race isnt even an issue. mundine himself is very guilty of that.

i was walking thru a park in sydney once...he one opposite central station and was abused (verbally) by about a dozen aboriginals dinking whisky. i was called a white c*nt etc etc and was advised to leave the park or get seriously hurt.

on a day to day basis i see the aboriginal people being offered a lot of support and chances to better themselves but they continue to relish in their role as the victim.

i was at the mudnine green fight and saw nothing untoward being said about mundine....and in fact i also saw a lot of white folks asking lionel rose for his autograph and listening to his stories.

i know this prolly isnt the place to vent these opinions but i just feel aboriginals should stop playing the victim and bringing race into things all the time....

mundine isnt disliked because of his ethnicity, hes disliked because of his arrogance and his blatant hatred toward white people.

I think you just have one thing wrong mate... I dont think the dislike for Mundine is due to his hatred of white people I think it's just because he is an Aussie boxer who is not having a real go but has a big mouth and claims to take on the best and be the best when he clearly does not...

I think we would all like to see him reach his potential with his fists rather than his mouth and for that he will get respect

And as for the dumb asses at the pub watching the boxing yes its funny there is always a few dumb asses everywhere this forum is just like the pub sometimes anyway we need them to keep coming to the pub and buying the PPV and supporting boxing as we need all the help we can get in Australia to make the sport strong....

I dislike Mundine as a boxer as stated above due to the "I'm the best, listen to me" attitude he has, without consistently fighting the best. He's done it a couple of times, but they're outweighed greatly by the chances lost or ignored, IMO. Kessler 2 is one of these, if he fought him again and even won, it could have opened up a lot more opportunities (especially if he did it a year or so ago). He wants the fame and fortune but doesn't want to put the hard fights in, he wants to do it the easiest way possible. I can't respect that, he's got the talent - fight the best, prove your worth and you'll find that you'll be accepted more openly, have a much higher support rate (even the haters aren't paying to see your fights anymore) and even become a national sporting (and aboriginal) icon in everyone's eyes. Your popularity would eclipse Green's. It would rival Kostya's, some of the old time greats, etc. You'd be the male version of Cathy Freeman. But you let your ego get in the way. Yes you might do charity work and spout the occasional "help the black man" type speech, but it doesn't have the same effect it could have. Waste of talent, waste of potential.

As far as the reverse racism comments go. I believe the reverse racism these days, from my experience, is worse than racism, but I feel there's a valid (although not acceptable) reason behind it. I believe that because the ethnic, whether it be aboriginal, asian, middle eastern, whatever, elders copped it so bad in past generations, hatred of white man has been passed down and taken up by the latest generation. Kind of like what our grandfather's would have had passed down to them about the aboriginal. What I do hate however is that currently seems to be a culture in society where it's fine for ethnics to hate white people, but for a white person to hate an ethnic is considered pure evil because of the past misdeeds/bad treatment. This I find is the worst thing. Racism is racism regardless of who's hating who and should not be tolerated regardless.

madball1982 wrote:I dislike Mundine as a boxer as stated above due to the "I'm the best, listen to me" attitude he has, without consistently fighting the best. He's done it a couple of times, but they're outweighed greatly by the chances lost or ignored, IMO. Kessler 2 is one of these, if he fought him again and even won, it could have opened up a lot more opportunities (especially if he did it a year or so ago). He wants the fame and fortune but doesn't want to put the hard fights in, he wants to do it the easiest way possible. I can't respect that, he's got the talent - fight the best, prove your worth and you'll find that you'll be accepted more openly, have a much higher support rate (even the haters aren't paying to see your fights anymore) and even become a national sporting (and aboriginal) icon in everyone's eyes. Your popularity would eclipse Green's. It would rival Kostya's, some of the old time greats, etc. You'd be the male version of Cathy Freeman. But you let your ego get in the way. Yes you might do charity work and spout the occasional "help the black man" type speech, but it doesn't have the same effect it could have. Waste of talent, waste of potential.

As far as the reverse racism comments go. I believe the reverse racism these days, from my experience, is worse than racism, but I feel there's a valid (although not acceptable) reason behind it. I believe that because the ethnic, whether it be aboriginal, asian, middle eastern, whatever, elders copped it so bad in past generations, hatred of white man has been passed down and taken up by the latest generation. Kind of like what our grandfather's would have had passed down to them about the aboriginal. What I do hate however is that currently seems to be a culture in society where it's fine for ethnics to hate white people, but for a white person to hate an ethnic is considered pure evil because of the past misdeeds/bad treatment. This I find is the worst thing. Racism is racism regardless of who's hating who and should not be tolerated regardless.

one of the most sickening things i have seen in australia was when the bondi surf club removed the australia flag from its flagpole so as not to upset the ethnic minorities.

in england, hospitals have now removed holy bibles from the bed side tables so as not to upset muslims.

adamheight wrote: in england, hospitals have now removed holy bibles from the bed side tables so as not to upset muslims.

No way

adamheight wrote: "danny green is the best boxer adelaide has ever produced".....

BTW, that person obviously didn't follow boxing, everyone knows the best boxer Adelaide has ever produced was Kostya Tszyu. I remember watching his first ever amateur bout at age 6 in Norwood. He lost that one but he looked good.

It's amazing the ignorance of boxing fans.