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Carbo wrote:I completely disagree, and have sent an article to Payne's blog arguing my point, but I loved it. Especially: "...until the sport dies, as it will probably one day will, before an audience of five people, all paying six figures for Butterbean verses Oscar De La Hoya at light welterweight..."

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Carbo wrote:I completely disagree, and have sent an article to Payne's blog arguing my point, but I loved it. Especially: "...until the sport dies, as it will probably one day will, before an audience of five people, all paying six figures for Butterbean verses Oscar De La Hoya at light welterweight..."

http://boxingwriter.wordpress.com/2008/ ... pv-debate/

Dear me, Andrew - there's no doubt that you're a very good writer. But this article is one of the most patronising pieces I've laid eyes on in a long time.

"Simply, a sizeable portion of boxing fans do not see why they should have to pay to watch their favourite sport...It isn’t purely because Khan’s assignment lacks the fizz of preceding PPV shows, its merely represents a new opportunity to bemoan the reality boxing is an industry and not free and on the NHS (National Health Service)...Why do boxing fans believe they should be insulated from the rules of the real world? When did they start expecting something for nothing?"

Those who subscribe to Sky Sports already DO pay to watch boxing. Don't they? Isn't this particular PPV a disgusting and undeserved premium? Shouldn't a bill of this kind be on 'normal' Sky sports?

Carbo wrote:Live with it, or go live in Belarus

Belarus and check out how wonderful native entertainment is in a country where the profit incentive doesn't exist.

Punchy Joe wrote:

Belarus and check out how wonderful native entertainment is in a country where the profit incentive doesn't exist.

plenty of prostitutes then, I might go........

plenty of prostitutes then, I might go........

Oh, if you could see the irony in what you just said.

Terry D wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

Terry D wrote:I'll be there to watch Anthony Crolla and Big Aud, my first Big Aud fight, and I thought going to St Peters was the pinnacle this summer :box:

He has made a point of fighting all over the country... London, Glasgow, Newcastle, Bristol, even Liverpool, which isn't too far from you, and one of his supposed biggest fans is only now going to see him?

There isn't border control at the edge of greater Manchester, you know.

PS Good article, though. :TU:

I was a student in the early days, my money was spent elsewhere.

Good stuff Carbo. My take on the PPV situation is that it reminds me of one of my former housemates. His girlfriend would not go down on him at all, no matter how much he pleaded. So he started to offer her little bribes to do it. DVD here, outfit there, taxi fare home (yes, she needed SN on the case to show her how to sell herself properly). Eventually he was paying his own girlfriend for one of life's little pleasures. Something that one would assume came, pardon the pun, for free. He was having to pay extra for what every woman loves to do, to his own girlfriend as well, I would not do it myself but if a guy was going to a brass for it then fair enough. That to me is the same as PPV. Paying for what you should get automatically.

I cannot wait for the event to go on free TV as I want to see certain fighters on there, one of whom I will be writing about over the coming season, so I have to attend/buy the events. I would do anyway, in the forlorn hope that Sky show the full bill, after all we are paying for it. If it is 3 fights only and a load of flannel I will do what any red-blooded Englishman will do, I will sit in my house moaning, then buy the next 'event'.

So I am waiting in line to get raped. I hope they respect me in the morning. I'm not actually speaking out against PPV per se, as mentioned it is as relevant as not washing for two years then smashing windows in a town centre on a Bank Holiday Monday. I think we are all to blame as we are a bunch of mugs who will buy anything associated with boxing. Junkies laugh at boxing fans and say "There but for the grace of God...", we are a joke. I'd buy any old shite if it was live.

Chris s, :wink:

Punchy Joe wrote:

plenty of prostitutes then, I might go........

Oh, if you could see the irony in what you just said.

Well its no different than what warren is doing with Khan is it??
And he's got the cheek to say fighting are whoring themselves by signing with golden boy.

BTW you don't watch sky movies live, so its not like your going to know the result by missing it on Sky Box Office(unlike the khan fight)is it? So waiting for it on normal sky movies is no big deal at all and wont ruin your enjoyment one jot - Stupid analogy comparing sky box office movies to live sports box office.

Carbo wrote: It was deliberately so, Ian. I'm tired of all the blubbering about PPV. First, people rarely subscribe purely for the boxing, they get a whole host of other sports as part of the package, but even ignoring this, Sky subscribers know fine well when they take out their subscription that some fights will be PPV, in the same way that football season ticket holders know they're not covered for FA cup matches.

Sky has a subscription movie package too, but if you want to see the biggest box office hits earliest, you need to pay extra in a PPV system. You're given a choice: watch early at a time of your convenience and pay for that privilege, or don't pay. It's similar to the choice boxing fans are given, but only boxing fans are crying about it.

Bottom line: people need to give up time and effort and often take risks to produce goods. They can sell that time and effort and risk for as much as the market can bear. If the product is rubbish or the price too much, nobody will buy and they will need to adjust their practices or go out of business. This is life in the free world. Live with it, or go live in Belarus and check out how wonderful native entertainment is in a country where the profit incentive doesn't exist.

Terry D wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

Terry D wrote:I'll be there to watch Anthony Crolla and Big Aud, my first Big Aud fight, and I thought going to St Peters was the pinnacle this summer

He has made a point of fighting all over the country... London, Glasgow, Newcastle, Bristol, even Liverpool, which isn't too far from you, and one of his supposed biggest fans is only now going to see him?

There isn't border control at the edge of greater Manchester, you know.

PS Good article, though.

I was a student in the early days, my money was spent elsewhere.

Good stuff Carbo. My take on the PPV situation is that it reminds me of one of my former housemates. His girlfriend would not go down on him at all, no matter how much he pleaded. So he started to offer her little bribes to do it. DVD here, outfit there, taxi fare home (yes, she needed SN on the case to show her how to sell herself properly). Eventually he was paying his own girlfriend for one of life's little pleasures. Something that one would assume came, pardon the pun, for free. He was having to pay extra for what every woman loves to do, to his own girlfriend as well, I would not do it myself but if a guy was going to a brass for it then fair enough. That to me is the same as PPV. Paying for what you should get automatically.

I cannot wait for the event to go on free TV as I want to see certain fighters on there, one of whom I will be writing about over the coming season, so I have to attend/buy the events. I would do anyway, in the forlorn hope that Sky show the full bill, after all we are paying for it. If it is 3 fights only and a load of flannel I will do what any red-blooded Englishman will do, I will sit in my house moaning, then buy the next 'event'.

So I am waiting in line to get raped. I hope they respect me in the morning. I'm not actually speaking out against PPV per se, as mentioned it is as relevant as not washing for two years then smashing windows in a town centre on a Bank Holiday Monday. I think we are all to blame as we are a bunch of mugs who will buy anything associated with boxing. Junkies laugh at boxing fans and say "There but for the grace of God...", we are a joke. I'd buy any old shite if it was live.

Chris s,

Punchy Joe, you gloriously missed my point. What meant by irony was, Belarus is getting a bit of a rep for the quality of its hookers, which, if I'm to believe a couple of my mates who traveled there from Moscow, is true. Isn't it ironic that the only well known quality entertainment out of that country is the only entertainment with a proper profit incentivized private sector?

Carbo wrote:Sky has a subscription movie package too, but if you want to see the biggest box office hits earliest, you need to pay extra in a PPV system. You're given a choice: watch early at a time of your convenience and pay for that privilege, or don't pay. It's similar to the choice boxing fans are given, but only boxing fans are crying about it.

Carbo wrote:Isn't it ironic that the only well known quality entertainment out of that country ...

Matt W wrote:Your very own thread, whatever next. Dooley for PM!!!!

Yo' my caucasian, brother. And in keeping with my big pimpin' may I suggest an alternative title by (mis)quoting Hova: "Justify My Mug". You feeling that....????