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Jaclem wrote:..spinks..patterson..lastarza....schmeling..walcott.. and no ezzard charles???

Well contrary to what Bert Sugar and everyone else would like to believe, Charles is not by any means a great heavyweight.

Just had to get that off my chest.

Maybe he should be on this list vs. Michael Spinks(greatest lightheavyweight of all time) at heavyweight.

"Well contrary to what Bert Sugar and everyone else would like to believe, Charles is not by any means a great heavyweight..." - Grimm

Not true.

GI

So throwing a fight and not defending your title for 3 years
puts one above a guy that was an olympic gold medalist,
a MW, the youngest HW champion ever, first two time
champion....simple because the later had some 'easy' protected title defences...

Rocky Marciano VS Muhammad Ali

Ali WTKO 14

Joe Louis VS Evander Holyfield

Louis WPts 15 (10-5)

Jersey Joe Walcott VS Ron Lyle

Walcott WPts 16 (10-5)

George Foreman VS Primo Carnera

Foreman WKO 2

Larry Holmes VS Lennox Lewis

Holmes WPts 15 (9-6) very close fight

Oscar Bonavena VS Max Baer

Baer WTKO 13

Joe Frazier VS Mike Tyson

Frazier WKO 11 very close fight

Roland LaStarza VS Max Schmeling

Schmeling WPts 15 (10-5)

Jack Dempsey VS Floyd Patterson

Dempsey WKO 2

Leon Spinks VS Vitali Klitchsko

Vitali WKO 3

Ken Norton VS Wladimir Klitchsko

Draw

Jack Johnson VS Riddick Bowe

Johnson WPts 15 (9-6) very close fight

Luis Angel Firpo VS Frank Bruno

Bruno WKO 4

Sonny Liston VS Roy Jones JR.

Liston WKO 2

Gene Tunney VS James Toney

Tunney WPts 15 (10-5)

And finally

Ernie Shavers VS Audley Harrison (for fun)

Shavers WKO 3

Rocky Marciano VS Muhammad Ali – Ali TKO9
Joe Louis VS Evander Holyfield – Louis KO4
Jersey Joe Walcott VS Ron Lyle – Walcott wide UD
George Foreman VS Primo Carnera – Foreman KO2
Larry Holmes VS Lennox Lewis – Holmes SD15
Oscar Bonavena VS Max Baer – Bonavena UD15
Joe Frazier VS Mike Tyson – Frazier TKO12
Roland LaStarza VS Max Schmeling – Schmeling UD15
Jack Dempsey VS Floyd Patterson – Dempasey KO1
Leon Spinks VS Vitali Klitchsko – Klitchsko KO4
Ken Norton VS Wladimir Klitchsko – Norton KO5
Jack Johnson VS Riddick Bowe – Bowe SD15
Luis Angel Firpo VS Frank Bruno – Bruno KO3
Sonny Liston VS Roy Jones JR. – Liston UD15
Gene Tunney VS James Toney – Tunney shutout UD15
Ernie Shavers VS Audley Harrison – Shavers KO5

Indeed Michael Pinks and Floyd Patterson should be there somewhere, maybe even against each other...

Fair enough, i'll do it.

Michael Spinks V Floyd Patterson

Michael Spinks wins UD .

Michael Spinks was quite crafty and manage to edge out winning rounds smartly, Floyd Patterson would win some rounds, but ultimatley, Spinks would win in a close uD.

Robinson wrote:GI

So throwing a fight and not defending your title for 3 years
puts one above a guy that was an olympic gold medalist,
a MW, the youngest HW champion ever, first two time
champion....simple because the later had some 'easy' protected title defences...

Accomplishments aren't being compared here, as DempseyFire already alluded to. I just don't see Patterson defeating Dempsey, straight-up. Dempsey beat bigger punchers, & found more elusive boxers. He would KO Patterson, ten from ten, IMO, & in my own personal (lofty) estimation of Dempsey, that's no knock on Patterson (who I also rate higher than most).

I'll take Patterson over Spinks at Heavyweight any day of the week, for the record

Robinson wrote:GI

So throwing a fight and not defending your title for 3 years
puts one above a guy that was an olympic gold medalist,
a MW, the youngest HW champion ever, first two time
champion....simple because the later had some 'easy' protected title defences...

I'll take Dempsey's accomplishments over Floyds anyday as well.

Dempsey cleaned out the division pre-title (save Willis) and his title defenses (Miske, Brennan, Gibbons, Firpo, Carpentier) were better than the likes of Harris, Rademacher, Jackson, McNeely, London . .

...re: the absence of ezzard charles on this list....nowhere in my post did i say ezzard was a great heavywieght. maybe i think so and maybe i don't, wich has nothing to do with my wondering about his absence. i just listed a few heavyweights who ARE on the list....and i find ezzard not being there when those guys ARE a puzzlement.

(roland lastarza???)