Is Tyson's Heavyweight record the safest in sport?

[DavidPayne]

Peter Rademacher's is the safest in sport.

[demolitiondaley]

This is a good one http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Human:72

The guy scored 14 knockdowns in one fight! His opponent must have been like the terminator!

Another one is Archie Moore http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer
with 131 career KO's

[Bricks]

Tysons record as the youngest HW champion boxer wont be beaten in our lifetime (IS).

With Tyson so much came together at once.
i) they got him at the right age. if he had been any older before he started boxing it moight have been too late
ii) The combination of Jacobs/caytons money and sense of history and D'Amato's lifelong experience. Tyson got hold of all of these things at the right time. a few years later both Damato and Jacobs would be dead.
iii) Tyson may well have been put on steroids in his teenage years and detecting these things wasnt as sophisticated as it is now.
iv) Tyson had awesome media profiling thanks to Cayton/Jacobs.

I reject the idea an eastern european will do it. EE typically have long amateur careers. Tyson didnt.

[Chambers2]

Peter Rademacher's is the safest in sport.

Go on then, what was it?

[Scrap]

Mugabi, Spot on, everything fitted perfectly.

[overhand_right]

iii) Tyson may well have been put on steroids in his teenage years and detecting these things wasnt as sophisticated as it is now.

What a ridiculous statement to make.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Not so ridiculous in my opinion - there were assertions made during his early career - not saying they are factual, but they are not ridiculous assertions.

[Shirow]

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

I reckon this guy's record is pretty safe, 19 straight 1st round KO's. In his 20th fight he ended up drawing with a guy who had lost his last 4 fights and been stopped 5 times before. He must have been having an off day

You can see where the matchmaker went wrong. After 19 fights they finally put him in with someone with a winning (though only just) record.

[hitman_hatton1]

That record will not be beaten in my life time and i'm 28.

I'm pretty certain that it won't be beaten in our lifetime either(I'm 25)

But my dad told me once how his dad said Floyd Pattersons record would never be beaten either.

some would say he still holds the record.

tyson was a couple of weeks older than patterson was when he beat spinks.

who some believe was the true champ after his wins over holmes.

[DavidPayne]

Fought for a world title on his debut to answer Chambers' question.

[DMWordsmith]

2 records that will last longer than that - both basketball.

Bill Russell, 10 championships in 11 years with the Celtics. And Wilt Chamberlain, 100 points in a single game. Those will NEVER be broken. Especially the latter of the two.

[bennie]

Fought for a world title on his debut to answer Chambers' question.

Rafael Lovera also fought for a world title on his debut.

[Lenny]

Just Fontaine - 13 goals in a single world cup
Don Bradman - Test Batting average of 99.94
Henry Armstrong - World champ at 3 of the original weight divisions at the same time

I also agree with HitmanHatton and think that Patterson still holds the youngest heavyweight champion record

[DavidPayne]

Fought for a world title on his debut to answer Chambers' question.

Rafael Lovera also fought for a world title on his debut.

did I miss Heavyweight out...?

[Carbo]

I'm currently only 26 words away from the world record for writing the most number of consecutive words without a grammatical or spelling error. It's something I'm very prud of... F*ck.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Just Fontaine - 13 goals in a single world cup
Don Bradman - Test Batting average of 99.94
Henry Armstrong - World champ at 3 of the original weight divisions at the same time

I also agree with HitmanHatton and think that Patterson still holds the youngest heavyweight champion record

No Tyson is the youngest heavyweight champ, he beat Patterson's record, with Ali in third place.

Don Bradman's record is the single most impressive in all of sport, he is so far ahead of the competition it is truly stupendous. It would be like someone running the hundred meters in 6 seconds, and Usain Bolt's current time being the next fastest.

[Carbo]

Just Fontaine - 13 goals in a single world cup
Don Bradman - Test Batting average of 99.94
Henry Armstrong - World champ at 3 of the original weight divisions at the same time

I also agree with HitmanHatton and think that Patterson still holds the youngest heavyweight champion record

No Tyson is the youngest heavyweight champ, he beat Patterson's record, with Ali in third place.

Don Bradman's record is the single most impressive in all of sport, he is so far ahead of the competition it is truly stupendous. It would be like someone running the hundred meters in 6 seconds, and Usain Bolt's current time being the next fastest.

Yeah, I saw a comparitive look at Bradman's achievements, where they placed his average on a bell curve, and did the same for top performers in other sports, and worked out that he was further out of the curve than any other sportsman.

I think Michael Jordan's points per game were one of the next best, but even he was way, way closer to the top of the curve than Bradman.

Just think: Tendulkar, Ponting and Lara are the best three batsmen of our era, with all the advantages of the modern game (covered pitches, improvements in bat technology making the bat thicker and 'springier', shorter boundaries, induction of weaker nations into test cricket, such as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, etc) and they average around 55. Now, having seen, over the last 10 years, how truly exceptional these three are, the mind boggles as to how good a batsmen would have to be to average, say, 60 over a career. I mean, that would mean being about 10 percent better than Sachin Tendulkar. Imagine how good that player would be.

Now Bradman almost doubled Tendulkar's average. Go figure.

I can envisage Fontaine's record being broken. It would need a great striker playing for a top nation, say Fernando Torres, gto get drawn in the same group as some bum central American team, score, say, 4, and then go on a run -- difficult, to be sure, but possible if somebody of Torres's caliber hits a purple patch and has some weak early opposition.

But I just don't see how it will ever be possible to beat Bradman. I would say that of all the records in modern day sports, Bradman's will be the one that is never, ever broken.

EDIT: For those cricket fans out there, does anyone know how many players have avereged over 100 in a First Class (below test cricket, where the Don's average was set) for just one season. I know Bradman did it, obviously, that Geoff Boycott did it one season, and that Ramprakash has done it for two seasons, but who else? This is something else that puts the Don's record in perspective: that so few others have even matched the average for a single season in the level below Bradman.

[Lenny]

I don't think the bum teams like that get to a world cup finals anymore. These countries that have historically been beaten by 6+ goals are getting much better coaching from foreign managers. As good as I think Torres is, he'll never be as good as Ronaldo was at 2002 (in a qualifying group that contained China and Costa Rica) and he could "only" manage 8.

[mrbassie]

Some kid will eventually come along and win the wbo or one of the other trinket belts and people will say he's beaten Tyson's record but as for winning the linear title younger than Tyson did, well it probably won't happen for a long time.

[Old bones Ian]

The European Football Championships are low scoring affairs, the highest amount scored at one tournament is 9 by Platini.