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Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:We cannot use McGuigan as an example for any fighter to be inducted. No, Eubank should not be in. And this is from someone that used to know him and is a huge fan.

surely you have to have a fighter as a benchmark? if McGuigan isnt that benchmark, why is he there?

I think Nigel Benn has a good shout.

Good skill, good power and a fine fighting heart.

Lost to Watson early on. Could have fared much better if he'd have cut the machismo nonsense. Also was really quite immature at that time. Believed that he could KO everyone, had little tactical nouse and had no plan B.

Calmed down after the Watson fight and became a better fighter. Posted some good wins over the likes of Williams, DeWitt and Barkley.

Allowed Eubank to wind him up. Met the iron jawed challenger and lost a massive fight. But once again he rehabillitated himself.

Beat some decent fighters, got a title again despite a later scare against Galvano and deserved the rematch with Eubank. Beat McClellan (who looked like he should have been a whole weight class above Benn) in a performance that ranks perhaps better than any of Calzaghe's wins... Was never as potent at 168.

I think he deserves consideration.

Chris has the Benn win and the Watson wins but there were an awful lot of decisions that all went his way. Also, Eubank seemed to have a stamina problem. He couldn't keep up a fast pace for any amount of time. Eubank was a very strong man though. What he lacked in stamina he made up for in durability. Eubank could absorb everything his opponent could throw at him, break his heart and beat him. I think this is why he would always be a massive challenge for Benn.

MatthewS wrote:

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:We cannot use McGuigan as an example for any fighter to be inducted. No, Eubank should not be in. And this is from someone that used to know him and is a huge fan.

surely you have to have a fighter as a benchmark? if McGuigan isnt that benchmark, why is he there?

Which is my point exactly. He should never be there, because now we've set the bar so low anyone can get in. The IBHOF shouldn't be for any fighter that has won a world championship against a good fighter.

Hauser wrote an interesting article on it a few years back for S/O, the decision was based upon his charity work not what he achieved in the ring.

The only Brit fighters deserving of an entry are Calzaghe, Hamed and Lewis. Quite possibly Hatton.

If he retires now, Calzaghe will have the best shot of anyone mentioned, due to that 46-0 record. He's got some soft spots on his resume, but no fighter in history would have had an easy time with him. Prime Calzaghe was a very fast southpaw, with a solid chin, stamina, and a tremendous will to win.

boxerbob wrote:the reason im saying is that many on here think joe calzaghe deserves a place in the hall of fame ...
eubank instead of calzaghe for hall of fame.

acute case of biasheimer.

I think he should... Eubank has done more than some fighters who are currently in the Hall Of Fame.

:)

Of course there are a few fighters that have no business being in the Hall of Fame. However,what are you going to do, put in everyone better than Jess Willard? You would have more than 1000 guys in.

The concept that people don't seem to get is that Eubank isn't up against McGuigan or someone else that is already in. (Btw, 90% of the fighters already in are much better than Eubank)
He is up against fighters who aren't in.
You have to look at other fighters that aren't in. There are plenty that were much better than Eubank.

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:We cannot use McGuigan as an example for any fighter to be inducted. No, Eubank should not be in. And this is from someone that used to know him and is a huge fan.

i agree. only the best deserve entry.

signed

Ingemar Johansson

"i agree. only the best deserve entry.

signed

Ingemar Johansson" - T2S

LOL

calzaghes reign as wbo super-middleweight champion must be the softest opposition ever faced by a fighter , since then he has beaten decent champs in lacy and kessler - certainly not greats

he got a decision vs hopkins and beat a old past it jones

this does not get you into the hall of fame.

eubank if he had fought joes wbo title fights , then he would have been undefeated for 10 years , as would benn , watson , collins etc.

It's worth noting that Calzaghe did beat the legendary Chris Eubank. (I'm sure there has to be some lame excuse).
Seriously, why is Eubank more qualified than say Mustapha Hamsho or Hugo Corro or Jimmy Ellis or (if you want to go way back) Mike McTigue?
There are literally dozens of others that you could name.

Not to mention superior fighters like Eddie Mustapha Muhammad, or Rodrigo Valdez, or Eddie Booker.

Ambling Alp wrote:It's worth noting that Calzaghe did beat the legendary Chris Eubank. (I'm sure there has to be some lame excuse).
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Eubank lost 2 of his previous 5 fights before Calzaghe. After Calzaghe, He lost his next 2 fights aswell.

Legendary yes, but if you rate Calzaghe for beating up Eubank then, you really dont know what you're talking about then do you

boxerbob wrote:calzaghes reign as wbo super-middleweight champion must be the softest opposition ever faced by a fighter , since then he has beaten decent champs in lacy and kessler - certainly not greats

he got a decision vs hopkins and beat a old past it jones

this does not get you into the hall of fame.

eubank if he had fought joes wbo title fights , then he would have been undefeated for 10 years , as would benn , watson , collins etc.

Give me a break . . .look at the scrubs Eubank was making title defenses against in the mid 90s . . and at times needing gifts to beat them. Compared to Joe's WBO defenses it's either equal or worse. Rochiaggani was a solid fighter but not better than Kessler and Benn was not better than Hopkins.

And yes Eubank was weight drained vs Calzaghe but Joe's win over him can't be completly thrown out the window, especially since Calzaghe dominated the fight.

Not a huge Calzaghe fanatic or anything but it's ridiculous if people slam Joe and then talk with rose-tinted spectacles about the British super middleweights of the 90s.

Calzaghe would've NEVER lost to Collins, that's the plain truth.

If barry Mac got in on the strenth of a very limited title record then you can't keep out Benn Eubank & Calzaghe & I know it's in different catagory allegedly please are you having a laugh

observer1 wrote:

Ambling Alp wrote:It's worth noting that Calzaghe did beat the legendary Chris Eubank. (I'm sure there has to be some lame excuse).
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Eubank lost 2 of his previous 5 fights before Calzaghe. After Calzaghe, He lost his next 2 fights aswell.

Legendary yes, but if you rate Calzaghe for beating up Eubank then, you really dont know what you're talking about then do you

I'm joking when I call Eubank "legendary". I just find it amusing that people are arguing that Calzaghe wasn't as good as Eubank, and that Calzaghe hadn't beat that tough of competition, and ignore that he had beat Eubank.
You can't have it both ways.
Either Eubank was a great fighter, and it was a big win for Calzaghe.
Or Eubank wasn't a great fighter.
I choose the latter.

Ambling Alp wrote:

observer1 wrote:

Ambling Alp wrote:It's worth noting that Calzaghe did beat the legendary Chris Eubank. (I'm sure there has to be some lame excuse).
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Eubank lost 2 of his previous 5 fights before Calzaghe. After Calzaghe, He lost his next 2 fights aswell.

Legendary yes, but if you rate Calzaghe for beating up Eubank then, you really dont know what you're talking about then do you

I'm joking when I call Eubank "legendary". I just find it amusing that people are arguing that Calzaghe wasn't as good as Eubank, and that Calzaghe hadn't beat that tough of competition, and ignore that he had beat Eubank.
You can't have it both ways.
Either Eubank was a great fighter, and it was a big win for Calzaghe.
Or Eubank wasn't a great fighter.
I choose the latter.

Er..No.. You're ignoring the fact that Eubank was Passed it by then.

Look at when Eubank faced Benn, in his Prime. At that stage Eubank would have destroyed Calzaghe. Calzaghe deserves credit for beating Eubank, but it cannot be rated as a significant win since Eubank was way passed his best. It's the same as Lewis-Tyson, Ali-Berbick, Marciano-Louis.

The only result is beating a name.

I think he should be. I love to watch him in and out of the
ring.

In defence of Barry McGuigan...

I'm not arguing who should or who shouldn't be in the HOF...

BUT - Barry beat a decent clutch of world class contenders before winning the title... Caba, DeVorce and Laporte...

At the time when he beat Pedroza and Taylor they were rated in KO magazine's p4p top 10. He didn't have a WBO title to hide behind and he almost always fought good opposition.

Yeah but Barry never strutted around in suits like Eubank....

Robinson wrote:Yeah but Barry never strutted around in suits like Eubank....

No, but he did have a hit record "Thankyou very much Mr Eastwood"

Ezzard wrote:

Robinson wrote:Yeah but Barry never strutted around in suits like Eubank....

No, but he did have a hit record "Thankyou very much Mr Eastwood"

Yeah I think the rest of the words were thank you very much Mr Eastwood putting me in with Stevie Cruz outdoors in Las Vegas in the baking sun & me a light skinned irish boy Yeah thank you very fornicating much

telboy66 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

Robinson wrote:Yeah but Barry never strutted around in suits like Eubank....

No, but he did have a hit record "Thankyou very much Mr Eastwood"

Yeah I think the rest of the words were thank you very much Mr Eastwood putting me in with Stevie Cruz outdoors in Las Vegas in the baking sun & me a light skinned irish boy Yeah thank you very effing much

As I remember his manager wanted him to take on Gomez, a fight he would have most likely won. Barry and his brother refused. The way Barry came back in rounds 10-14 was amazing. Then he just ran out of fuel and Cruz's sharp counters won the fight.

A very underrated bout.

Robinson wrote:Yeah but Barry never strutted around in suits like Eubank....

Or had the criminal problems outside of the ring like Chris did. Question for everyone, should a fighter's life outside of the ring be considered when thought is being given to their validity for induction?

If that does...then criminals of the past from Liston to Blackburn...
to racist biggots from Sullivan to Corbett be allowed in?

It's worth noting that Calzaghe did beat the legendary Chris Eubank. (I'm sure there has to be some lame excuse).

Eubank lost 2 of his previous 5 fights before Calzaghe. After Calzaghe, He lost his next 2 fights as well.

Legendary yes, but if you rate Calzaghe for beating up Eubank then, you really dont know what you're talking about then do you[/quote]

I'm joking when I call Eubank "legendary". I just find it amusing that people are arguing that Calzaghe wasn't as good as Eubank, and that Calzaghe hadn't beat that tough of competition, and ignore that he had beat Eubank.
You can't have it both ways.
Either Eubank was a great fighter, and it was a big win for Calzaghe.
Or Eubank wasn't a great fighter.
I choose the latter.[/quote]

Er..No.. You're ignoring the fact that Eubank was Passed it by then.

Look at when Eubank faced Benn, in his Prime. At that stage Eubank would have destroyed Calzaghe. Calzaghe deserves credit for beating Eubank, but it cannot be rated as a significant win since Eubank was way passed his best. It's the same as Lewis-Tyson, Ali-Berbick, Marciano-Louis.

The only result is beating a name.[/quote]

Wow. At 31, (and with not that many fights) Eubank was already that far past his best? That's pretty hard to believe. Even if that was true, then Eubank certainly wasn't that good for long. Yet another reason for him not be in. There are literally dozens of more worthy fighters that aren't in.